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reply "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:
Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 features 
have been revealed.

One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are 
actually compiled to native code as well, before being made 
available for download.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-release-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx

Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code compiler for 

enterprise. :\

--
Paulo
Oct 30 2012
next sibling parent reply "thedeemon" <dlang thedeemon.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 30 October 2012 at 19:15:59 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:

 Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 
 features have been revealed.

 One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are 
 actually compiled to native code as well, before being made 
 available for download.

 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-release-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx

 Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code compiler 

 enterprise. :\

 --
 Paulo


I don't think they're going to. There are many reasons of keeping 
assemblies in easy to verify and operate bytecode, and ngen has 
been here for quite a while without much impact.
Oct 31 2012
parent "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:
On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 at 07:19:23 UTC, thedeemon wrote:

 On Tuesday, 30 October 2012 at 19:15:59 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:

 Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 
 features have been revealed.

 One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are 
 actually compiled to native code as well, before being made 
 available for download.

 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-release-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx

 Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code compiler 

 enterprise. :\

 --
 Paulo


 I don't think they're going to. There are many reasons of 
 keeping assemblies in easy to verify and operate bytecode, and 
 ngen has been here for quite a while without much impact.


The problem with ngen is that it has a very basic optimizer, and 
there are some restrictions to which type of bytecode (no 
reflection tricks) is ngen-able. Those restrictions are 

have them.

--
Paulo
Oct 31 2012
prev sibling parent reply deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
Le 30/10/2012 20:15, Paulo Pinto a écrit :

 Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 features have
 been revealed.

 One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are actually
 compiled to native code as well, before being made available for download.

 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-release-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx



 (better than NGEN), this will make D use harder in the enterprise. :\

 --
 Paulo


This compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All my apps will 
not work anymore if microsoft decide so ?
Oct 31 2012
parent reply "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:
On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 at 23:20:15 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 Le 30/10/2012 20:15, Paulo Pinto a écrit :

 Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 
 features have
 been revealed.

 One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are 
 actually
 compiled to native code as well, before being made available 
 for download.

 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-release-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx


 Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code compiler 

 (better than NGEN), this will make D use harder in the 
 enterprise. :\

 --
 Paulo


 This compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All my 
 apps will not work anymore if microsoft decide so ?


I really dislike this cloud trend. It seems that everyone wants 
to sell me software as a service somehow.

 From my lastest projects in the Fortune 500 world, I can tell 
everyone is jumping with both feets into cloud stuff.

For the lovers of software freedom this is scary. In a world of 
software as service and patent trolls, having the source code 
available seems to no longer be enough.

--
Paulo
Nov 01 2012
parent reply Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 08:43:10 +0100
"Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> wrote:


 On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 at 23:20:15 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 Le 30/10/2012 20:15, Paulo Pinto a =E9crit :

 Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8=20
 features have
 been revealed.

 One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are=20
 actually
 compiled to native code as well, before being made available=20
 for download.

 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-relea=






se-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx

 Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code compiler=20

 (better than NGEN), this will make D use harder in the=20
 enterprise. :\

 --
 Paulo


 This compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All my=20
 apps will not work anymore if microsoft decide so ?


=20
 I really dislike this cloud trend. It seems that everyone wants=20
 to sell me software as a service somehow.
=20
  From my lastest projects in the Fortune 500 world, I can tell=20
 everyone is jumping with both feets into cloud stuff.
=20
 For the lovers of software freedom this is scary. In a world of=20
 software as service and patent trolls, having the source code=20
 available seems to no longer be enough.
=20


I feel exactly the same way. (Hell, that's one of the reasons I never
liked web apps.)

A few months ago, I was looking into cross-platform 2D mobile game
frameworks and it came down to Corona vs Marmalade. One of the big
reasons we went with Marmalade was because Corona was 100% compiled on
*their* servers, which lead to various uncomfortable consequences.

I think it's all happening because MBAs are in charge, and the one
thing they know and like best is buzzwords. And "cloud" is the
biggest buzzword right now.

I really hate the word "cloud" anyway. All it is, is a stupid renaming
of the words "Internet", "hosted" and "distributed", and which one it

word right ahead of "tween" (except when used for animation) and using
"crazy" as an adverb.
Nov 01 2012
next sibling parent reply Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:11:17 -0400
Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> wrote:


 On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 08:43:10 +0100
 "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> wrote:
=20

 On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 at 23:20:15 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 Le 30/10/2012 20:15, Paulo Pinto a =E9crit :

 Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8=20
 features have
 been revealed.

 One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are=20
 actually
 compiled to native code as well, before being made available=20
 for download.

 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-rel=








ease-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx

 Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code compiler=20

 (better than NGEN), this will make D use harder in the=20
 enterprise. :\

 --
 Paulo


 This compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All my=20
 apps will not work anymore if microsoft decide so ?


=20
 I really dislike this cloud trend. It seems that everyone wants=20
 to sell me software as a service somehow.
=20
  From my lastest projects in the Fortune 500 world, I can tell=20
 everyone is jumping with both feets into cloud stuff.
=20
 For the lovers of software freedom this is scary. In a world of=20
 software as service and patent trolls, having the source code=20
 available seems to no longer be enough.
=20


=20
 I feel exactly the same way. (Hell, that's one of the reasons I never
 liked web apps.)
=20
 A few months ago, I was looking into cross-platform 2D mobile game
 frameworks and it came down to Corona vs Marmalade. One of the big
 reasons we went with Marmalade was because Corona was 100% compiled on
 *their* servers, which lead to various uncomfortable consequences.
=20
 I think it's all happening because MBAs are in charge, and the one
 thing they know and like best is buzzwords. And "cloud" is the
 biggest buzzword right now.
=20
 I really hate the word "cloud" anyway. All it is, is a stupid renaming
 of the words "Internet", "hosted" and "distributed", and which one it

 word right ahead of "tween" (except when used for animation) and using
 "crazy" as an adverb.
=20


Speaking of all this:
http://dilbert.com/2012-10-21/

That summarizes it perfectly.
Nov 01 2012
parent "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:
On Thursday, 1 November 2012 at 22:15:49 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
wrote:

 On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:11:17 -0400
 Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> wrote:


 On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 08:43:10 +0100
 "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> wrote:
 

 On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 at 23:20:15 UTC, deadalnix 
 wrote:

 Le 30/10/2012 20:15, Paulo Pinto a écrit :

 Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 
 features have
 been revealed.

 One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are 
 actually
 compiled to native code as well, before being made 
 available for download.

 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-release-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx


 Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code 

 (better than NGEN), this will make D use harder in the 
 enterprise. :\

 --
 Paulo


 This compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All 
 my apps will not work anymore if microsoft decide so ?


 
 I really dislike this cloud trend. It seems that everyone 
 wants to sell me software as a service somehow.
 
  From my lastest projects in the Fortune 500 world, I can 
 tell everyone is jumping with both feets into cloud stuff.
 
 For the lovers of software freedom this is scary. In a world 
 of software as service and patent trolls, having the source 
 code available seems to no longer be enough.
 


 
 I feel exactly the same way. (Hell, that's one of the reasons 
 I never
 liked web apps.)
 
 A few months ago, I was looking into cross-platform 2D mobile 
 game
 frameworks and it came down to Corona vs Marmalade. One of the 
 big
 reasons we went with Marmalade was because Corona was 100% 
 compiled on
 *their* servers, which lead to various uncomfortable 
 consequences.
 
 I think it's all happening because MBAs are in charge, and the 
 one
 thing they know and like best is buzzwords. And "cloud" is the
 biggest buzzword right now.
 
 I really hate the word "cloud" anyway. All it is, is a stupid 
 renaming
 of the words "Internet", "hosted" and "distributed", and which 
 one it

 favorite
 word right ahead of "tween" (except when used for animation) 
 and using
 "crazy" as an adverb.
 


 Speaking of all this:
 http://dilbert.com/2012-10-21/

 That summarizes it perfectly.


Great! :)
Nov 03 2012
prev sibling parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 06:11:17PM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 08:43:10 +0100
 "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> wrote:
 

 On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 at 23:20:15 UTC, deadalnix wrote:




[...]

 This compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All my 
 apps will not work anymore if microsoft decide so ?


 
 I really dislike this cloud trend. It seems that everyone wants 
 to sell me software as a service somehow.
 
  From my lastest projects in the Fortune 500 world, I can tell 
 everyone is jumping with both feets into cloud stuff.
 
 For the lovers of software freedom this is scary. In a world of 
 software as service and patent trolls, having the source code 
 available seems to no longer be enough.




[...]

Exactly, so what if you have the full source code if you have no control
over the server and no control over your data?



 I feel exactly the same way. (Hell, that's one of the reasons I never
 liked web apps.)


[...]

 I think it's all happening because MBAs are in charge, and the one
 thing they know and like best is buzzwords. And "cloud" is the
 biggest buzzword right now.


Yeah no kidding, talk about castles in the air. :-P



 I really hate the word "cloud" anyway. All it is, is a stupid renaming
 of the words "Internet", "hosted" and "distributed", and which one it

 word right ahead of "tween" (except when used for animation) and using
 "crazy" as an adverb.


It's another one of those overhyped bandwagons of questionable lasting
value, that people are jumping on left right and center just because
it's a buzzword. Nevermind the privacy issues, scalability issues,
software freedom issues, etc..


T

-- 
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Nov 03 2012
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 11/3/2012 8:54 AM, H. S. Teoh wrote:

 It's another one of those overhyped bandwagons of questionable lasting
 value, that people are jumping on left right and center just because
 it's a buzzword.


I'm so glad I never hear "Web 2.0" anymore.
Nov 04 2012
parent "Chris Cain" <clcain uncg.edu> writes:
On Sunday, 4 November 2012 at 23:23:10 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 I'm so glad I never hear "Web 2.0" anymore.


Because Web 3.0 and "Semantic Web" is in.

Sorry.
Nov 04 2012