• Anton (20/20) Feb 14 2014 From searching this forum I know that the question of which GUI
• Anton (1/1) Feb 14 2014 Dammit, I meant to post this to D.learn. Oh well.
• Craig Dillabaugh (3/4) Feb 14 2014 Perhaps you could also look at DWT:
• Jacob Carlborg (6/8) Feb 14 2014 Unfortunately it doesn't support OS X yet. I have an incomplete support
• Russel Winder (16/30) Feb 14 2014 GTK on anything other than Linux remains a real pain.
• Anton (4/10) Feb 14 2014 Yeah, I would hate to have to leave D for something like Go
• Nikos (6/17) Mar 24 2014 D is good language, but when I'm trying to write something more
• John Colvin (9/28) Mar 24 2014 I agree that these improvmements would be good.
• Gary Willoughby (28/48) Feb 14 2014 I'm working on a cross-platform GUI toolkit for D based on
• Jacob Carlborg (4/9) Feb 14 2014 I would say that anything using X11 on OS X is unacceptable.
• Russel Winder (17/26) Feb 14 2014 Agreed.
• Gary Willoughby (4/15) Feb 15 2014 Actually looking at this link I may be able to remove that
• Jacob Carlborg (4/7) Feb 15 2014 Aqua Cocoa Tk is the way to go.
• Gary Willoughby (4/10) Feb 15 2014 Yep. It seems new versions of Tcl/Tk on Mac defaults to remove
• Xavier Bigand (7/27) Feb 14 2014 I am working on DQuick (like QtQuick but in D) with a friend, but it
• Kapps (6/26) Feb 14 2014 A rather different approach would be to use something like
• evilrat (7/39) Feb 14 2014 it was C++ wrapper, would work for minimal stuff but i won't
• Jacob Carlborg (5/25) Feb 15 2014 Do you need it to be cross-platform? Otherwise you could use Cocoa
• Anton (10/13) Feb 15 2014 I don't care about cross-platform compatibility for now. I've
• Jacob Carlborg (7/16) Feb 16 2014 If you don't care how it looks then you could basically use any

"Anton" <vizardx gmail.com> writes:

  From searching this forum I know that the question of which GUI
library to use comes up every once in a while, but I don't want
to bump old threads, especially since many of them seem to have
strayed off into quasi-philosophical discussions of whatever (as
is perfectly normal on this Internet).

I am an OS X user and pretty much beginner in D who wants to
write a simple application with a GUI. I know that GtkD is the
most stable cross-platform GUI library out there, but for
whatever reason after a full day of doing all sorts of things
with it I can't get it to work on my Mac. I was going to post a
question on the GtkD forums, but seeing that the latest post on
there was from May of last year discouraged me from doing that.

QtD seems to have been abandoned. Most other libraries either
have little support for OS X (it seems that OS X users of D are
practically non-existent, which I suppose is too bad for me), or
have been left to wither away, too.

Is there a more or less stable GUI library with decent support
for OS X, with good documentation and/or examples *in D* (that
is, not C, C++, or Java)?

Thanks.

"Anton" <vizardx gmail.com> writes:

Dammit, I meant to post this to D.learn. Oh well.

"Craig Dillabaugh" <cdillaba cg.scs.carleton.ca> writes:

On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 18:32:07 UTC, Anton wrote:
 Dammit, I meant to post this to D.learn. Oh well.

Perhaps you could also look at DWT:

https://github.com/d-widget-toolkit/dwt

Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:

On 2014-02-14 19:37, Craig Dillabaugh wrote:

 Perhaps you could also look at DWT:

 https://github.com/d-widget-toolkit/dwt

Unfortunately it doesn't support OS X yet. I have an incomplete support 
written in D1 here: https://github.com/d-widget-toolkit/dwt-mac

Also, it doesn't have much of documentation in D, besides the snippets.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

Russel Winder <russel winder.org.uk> writes:

On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 18:17 +0000, Anton wrote:
[…]
 I am an OS X user and pretty much beginner in D who wants to
 write a simple application with a GUI. I know that GtkD is the
 most stable cross-platform GUI library out there, but for
 whatever reason after a full day of doing all sorts of things
 with it I can't get it to work on my Mac. I was going to post a
 question on the GtkD forums, but seeing that the latest post on
 there was from May of last year discouraged me from doing that.

GTK on anything other than Linux remains a real pain.

 QtD seems to have been abandoned. Most other libraries either
 have little support for OS X (it seems that OS X users of D are
 practically non-existent, which I suppose is too bad for me), or
 have been left to wither away, too.

Qt is the most portable of frameworks other than wxWidgets. With Qt5
there is the whole QML thing which is really quite good. There was some
effort to try and get QtD restarted, but it has stalled a bit. I have to
admit I departed D + QtD for Go + goqml since the former needs effort
and the latter has got it. However I have conflict with this as I much
prefer D over Go. 

 Is there a more or less stable GUI library with decent support
 for OS X, with good documentation and/or examples *in D* (that
 is, not C, C++, or Java)?

I suspect not.

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"Anton" <vizardx gmail.com> writes:

On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 18:50:21 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
 I have to
 admit I departed D + QtD for Go + goqml since the former needs 
 effort
 and the latter has got it. However I have conflict with this as 
 I much
 prefer D over Go.

Yeah, I would hate to have to leave D for something like Go
because D doesn't have a decent OS X GUI library.

I'll take a look at the links everyone here has posted, thanks.

"Nikos" <jna mail.gr> writes:

On Saturday, 15 February 2014 at 01:43:20 UTC, Anton wrote:
 On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 18:50:21 UTC, Russel Winder 
 wrote:
 I have to
 admit I departed D + QtD for Go + goqml since the former needs 
 effort
 and the latter has got it. However I have conflict with this 
 as I much
 prefer D over Go.

 Yeah, I would hate to have to leave D for something like Go
 because D doesn't have a decent OS X GUI library.

 I'll take a look at the links everyone here has posted, thanks.

D is good language, but when I'm trying to write something more 
complex like GtkD virtual data table view, I realize that I can't 
do it in D. That is, if I want to learn D, I must learn C first. 
Which is nonsense. So, D needs a good GUI library written in D. 
And a good IDE too. VisualD is not good enough.

"John Colvin" <john.loughran.colvin gmail.com> writes:

On Monday, 24 March 2014 at 16:07:33 UTC, Nikos wrote:
 On Saturday, 15 February 2014 at 01:43:20 UTC, Anton wrote:
 On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 18:50:21 UTC, Russel Winder 
 wrote:
 I have to
 admit I departed D + QtD for Go + goqml since the former 
 needs effort
 and the latter has got it. However I have conflict with this 
 as I much
 prefer D over Go.

 Yeah, I would hate to have to leave D for something like Go
 because D doesn't have a decent OS X GUI library.

 I'll take a look at the links everyone here has posted, thanks.

 D is good language, but when I'm trying to write something more 
 complex like GtkD virtual data table view, I realize that I 
 can't do it in D. That is, if I want to learn D, I must learn C 
 first. Which is nonsense. So, D needs a good GUI library 
 written in D. And a good IDE too. VisualD is not good enough.

I agree that these improvmements would be good.

When you say "I can't do it in D" do you mean that you literally 
need to use C itself, or do you just mean using the C GTK API 
from D?

Bear in mind that D includes many concepts and a lot of syntax C. 
In order to understand all of D, you will by definition end up 
learning a lot of C-like things, even if you don't use them very 
often in your real D code.

"Gary Willoughby" <dev nomad.so> writes:

On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 18:17:15 UTC, Anton wrote:
  From searching this forum I know that the question of which GUI
 library to use comes up every once in a while, but I don't want
 to bump old threads, especially since many of them seem to have
 strayed off into quasi-philosophical discussions of whatever (as
 is perfectly normal on this Internet).

 I am an OS X user and pretty much beginner in D who wants to
 write a simple application with a GUI. I know that GtkD is the
 most stable cross-platform GUI library out there, but for
 whatever reason after a full day of doing all sorts of things
 with it I can't get it to work on my Mac. I was going to post a
 question on the GtkD forums, but seeing that the latest post on
 there was from May of last year discouraged me from doing that.

 QtD seems to have been abandoned. Most other libraries either
 have little support for OS X (it seems that OS X users of D are
 practically non-existent, which I suppose is too bad for me), or
 have been left to wither away, too.

 Is there a more or less stable GUI library with decent support
 for OS X, with good documentation and/or examples *in D* (that
 is, not C, C++, or Java)?

 Thanks.

I'm working on a cross-platform GUI toolkit for D based on 
Tcl/TK.[1] So far it works nicely on Windows, Linux and MacOS. 
It's not very complete (only a few widgets implemented so far) 
but it shouldn't take more than a few months to finish. :)
Here's the repo:

https://github.com/nomad-software/tkd

The example can be built using dub:

     dub --config=example

dub will then pull in the following dependencies:

https://github.com/nomad-software/tcltk
https://github.com/nomad-software/x11

tcltk on Windows depends on ActiveTcl[2] being installed, but i'm 
going to compile my own DLLs to avoid this in future (Linux and 
Mac already have this installed). And x11 on MacOS depends on 
XQuartz[3] being installed which is unavoidable. (Linux uses this 
as default and on Windows the Win32 API is used instead.)

I decided to base it on Tcl/Tk purely because it's completely 
cross-platform, simple to use and learn. The downside is that the 
GUI libraries aren't that uber so don't expect to create the next 
Photoshop using it. The Tk widget library is complete though, so 
for simple GUI's it's brilliant. It's basically Python's 
Tkinter[4] ported to D.

I'm trying to get it done as fast as my girlfriend allows! ;D

[1]: http://www.tcl.tk/
[2]: http://www.activestate.com/activetcl
[3]: http://xquartz.macosforge.org/landing/
[4]: https://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter

Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:

On 2014-02-14 20:15, Gary Willoughby wrote:

 tcltk on Windows depends on ActiveTcl[2] being installed, but i'm going
 to compile my own DLLs to avoid this in future (Linux and Mac already
 have this installed). And x11 on MacOS depends on XQuartz[3] being
 installed which is unavoidable. (Linux uses this as default and on
 Windows the Win32 API is used instead.)

I would say that anything using X11 on OS X is unacceptable.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

Russel Winder <russel winder.org.uk> writes:

On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 23:58 +0100, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
 On 2014-02-14 20:15, Gary Willoughby wrote:
 
 tcltk on Windows depends on ActiveTcl[2] being installed, but i'm going
 to compile my own DLLs to avoid this in future (Linux and Mac already
 have this installed). And x11 on MacOS depends on XQuartz[3] being
 installed which is unavoidable. (Linux uses this as default and on
 Windows the Win32 API is used instead.)

 
 I would say that anything using X11 on OS X is unacceptable.

Agreed.

All Python folk doing cross-platform work use Qt AFAIK

Tkinter is ancient and shows it, despite the make over a few years back.
There are some adherents (because it comes standard with all Python
distributions), but most people treat it as unusable legacy. 

There is an attempt to create a replacement for the turtle package (*)
based on direct OpenGL rendering, but sadly the energy generated during
the sprint at PyConUK 2014 has petered out a bit and progress is now
slow.


(*) which is really the last useful thing based on Tkinter.
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"Gary Willoughby" <dev nomad.so> writes:

On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 22:58:10 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
 On 2014-02-14 20:15, Gary Willoughby wrote:

 tcltk on Windows depends on ActiveTcl[2] being installed, but 
 i'm going
 to compile my own DLLs to avoid this in future (Linux and Mac 
 already
 have this installed). And x11 on MacOS depends on XQuartz[3] 
 being
 installed which is unavoidable. (Linux uses this as default 
 and on
 Windows the Win32 API is used instead.)

 I would say that anything using X11 on OS X is unacceptable.

Actually looking at this link I may be able to remove that 
dependency too. Which is nice.
http://www.python.org/getit/mac/tcltk/

Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:

On 2014-02-15 12:14, Gary Willoughby wrote:

 Actually looking at this link I may be able to remove that dependency
 too. Which is nice.
 http://www.python.org/getit/mac/tcltk/

Aqua Cocoa Tk is the way to go.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

"Gary Willoughby" <dev nomad.so> writes:

On Saturday, 15 February 2014 at 12:44:00 UTC, Jacob Carlborg 
wrote:
 On 2014-02-15 12:14, Gary Willoughby wrote:

 Actually looking at this link I may be able to remove that 
 dependency
 too. Which is nice.
 http://www.python.org/getit/mac/tcltk/

 Aqua Cocoa Tk is the way to go.

Yep. It seems new versions of Tcl/Tk on Mac defaults to remove 
the dependency on x11. Which is awesome, no more x11 needed!

Xavier Bigand <flamaros.xavier gmail.com> writes:

Le 14/02/2014 19:17, Anton a écrit :
   From searching this forum I know that the question of which GUI
 library to use comes up every once in a while, but I don't want
 to bump old threads, especially since many of them seem to have
 strayed off into quasi-philosophical discussions of whatever (as
 is perfectly normal on this Internet).

 I am an OS X user and pretty much beginner in D who wants to
 write a simple application with a GUI. I know that GtkD is the
 most stable cross-platform GUI library out there, but for
 whatever reason after a full day of doing all sorts of things
 with it I can't get it to work on my Mac. I was going to post a
 question on the GtkD forums, but seeing that the latest post on
 there was from May of last year discouraged me from doing that.

 QtD seems to have been abandoned. Most other libraries either
 have little support for OS X (it seems that OS X users of D are
 practically non-existent, which I suppose is too bad for me), or
 have been left to wither away, too.

 Is there a more or less stable GUI library with decent support
 for OS X, with good documentation and/or examples *in D* (that
 is, not C, C++, or Java)?

 Thanks.

I am working on DQuick (like QtQuick but in D) with a friend, but it 
doesn't seems able to fit your needs as it's still a prototype.

Development is really slow at this moment cause of to few time, but the 
great news is Bruno have some ideas to put property bindings on the D 
side too!!!


https://github.com/D-Quick/DQuick

"Kapps" <opantm2+spam gmail.com> writes:

On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 18:17:15 UTC, Anton wrote:
  From searching this forum I know that the question of which GUI
 library to use comes up every once in a while, but I don't want
 to bump old threads, especially since many of them seem to have
 strayed off into quasi-philosophical discussions of whatever (as
 is perfectly normal on this Internet).

 I am an OS X user and pretty much beginner in D who wants to
 write a simple application with a GUI. I know that GtkD is the
 most stable cross-platform GUI library out there, but for
 whatever reason after a full day of doing all sorts of things
 with it I can't get it to work on my Mac. I was going to post a
 question on the GtkD forums, but seeing that the latest post on
 there was from May of last year discouraged me from doing that.

 QtD seems to have been abandoned. Most other libraries either
 have little support for OS X (it seems that OS X users of D are
 practically non-existent, which I suppose is too bad for me), or
 have been left to wither away, too.

 Is there a more or less stable GUI library with decent support
 for OS X, with good documentation and/or examples *in D* (that
 is, not C, C++, or Java)?

 Thanks.


A rather different approach would be to use something like 
Awesomium. I remember evilrat made bindings for it 
http://forum.dlang.org/thread/azrwqdorulvwhjcmmrxx forum.dlang.org#post-azrwqdorulvwhjcmmrxx:40forum.dlang.org

I haven't used them yet though, so I'm unsure of how complete and 
such they are.

"evilrat" <evilrat666 gmail.com> writes:

On Saturday, 15 February 2014 at 00:37:11 UTC, Kapps wrote:
 On Friday, 14 February 2014 at 18:17:15 UTC, Anton wrote:
 From searching this forum I know that the question of which GUI
 library to use comes up every once in a while, but I don't want
 to bump old threads, especially since many of them seem to have
 strayed off into quasi-philosophical discussions of whatever 
 (as
 is perfectly normal on this Internet).

 I am an OS X user and pretty much beginner in D who wants to
 write a simple application with a GUI. I know that GtkD is the
 most stable cross-platform GUI library out there, but for
 whatever reason after a full day of doing all sorts of things
 with it I can't get it to work on my Mac. I was going to post a
 question on the GtkD forums, but seeing that the latest post on
 there was from May of last year discouraged me from doing that.

 QtD seems to have been abandoned. Most other libraries either
 have little support for OS X (it seems that OS X users of D are
 practically non-existent, which I suppose is too bad for me), 
 or
 have been left to wither away, too.

 Is there a more or less stable GUI library with decent support
 for OS X, with good documentation and/or examples *in D* (that
 is, not C, C++, or Java)?

 Thanks.


 A rather different approach would be to use something like 
 Awesomium. I remember evilrat made bindings for it 
 http://forum.dlang.org/thread/azrwqdorulvwhjcmmrxx forum.dlang.org#post-azrwqdorulvwhjcmmrxx:40forum.dlang.org

 I haven't used them yet though, so I'm unsure of how complete 
 and such they are.

it was C++ wrapper, would work for minimal stuff but i won't 
recommend using awesomium at all. for me it looks almost dead 
now(both forums and update rate), and pretty much the same can be 
achieved with webkit. awesomium just adds offscreen rendering and 
JS event handling, but it is commercial software so for most 
people here it would be unacceptable.

Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:

On 2014-02-14 19:17, Anton wrote:
   From searching this forum I know that the question of which GUI
 library to use comes up every once in a while, but I don't want
 to bump old threads, especially since many of them seem to have
 strayed off into quasi-philosophical discussions of whatever (as
 is perfectly normal on this Internet).

 I am an OS X user and pretty much beginner in D who wants to
 write a simple application with a GUI. I know that GtkD is the
 most stable cross-platform GUI library out there, but for
 whatever reason after a full day of doing all sorts of things
 with it I can't get it to work on my Mac. I was going to post a
 question on the GtkD forums, but seeing that the latest post on
 there was from May of last year discouraged me from doing that.

 QtD seems to have been abandoned. Most other libraries either
 have little support for OS X (it seems that OS X users of D are
 practically non-existent, which I suppose is too bad for me), or
 have been left to wither away, too.

 Is there a more or less stable GUI library with decent support
 for OS X, with good documentation and/or examples *in D* (that
 is, not C, C++, or Java)?

 Thanks.

Do you need it to be cross-platform? Otherwise you could use Cocoa 
directly. Although it currently is a bit of a pain to do so.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg

"Anton" <vizardx gmail.com> writes:

 Do you need it to be cross-platform? Otherwise you could use 
 Cocoa directly. Although it currently is a bit of a pain to do 
 so.

I don't care about cross-platform compatibility for now. I've 
found dstep, but haven't looked into it yet. It does look like it 
could be somewhat painful to use, though, especially considering 
that I'm not too comfortable with ObjC.

I also don't really care for how pretty it looks at the moment. 
Right now it's for myself, so I just want something that lets me 
build a GUI in a relatively straightforward way, even if the 
result is a bit on the ugly side. Obviously, if what I'm doing 
goes anywhere, I will look into other options, but I need 
whatever I can get to work to start with.

Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:

On 2014-02-15 18:26, Anton wrote:

 I don't care about cross-platform compatibility for now. I've found
 dstep, but haven't looked into it yet. It does look like it could be
 somewhat painful to use, though, especially considering that I'm not too
 comfortable with ObjC.

Yes, it's quite painful to use without language support.

 I also don't really care for how pretty it looks at the moment. Right
 now it's for myself, so I just want something that lets me build a GUI
 in a relatively straightforward way, even if the result is a bit on the
 ugly side. Obviously, if what I'm doing goes anywhere, I will look into
 other options, but I need whatever I can get to work to start with.

If you don't care how it looks then you could basically use any 
framework. Gtk+ seems to be best supported from D, but you already tried 
that ...

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg