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digitalmars.D - New language name proposal

reply "Flamaros" <flamaros.xavier gmail.com> writes:
I like the actual name : D, but there is some issues with it.
D is just to small to be able to do a search on it on internet, a 
lot of search engine just can't index correctly something to 
small, and I think it's just normal.

My problem is just we can't find anything that is not on 
dlang.org just because D isn't correctly indexed due to is really 
small influence. It's little better with languages C and C++, but 
it's not ideal.

My proposal is to rename D by a larger word like Dlang that can 
start to be indexed correctly.

The aim is to help the actual community to share about Dlang in a 
easier why, and maybe a day I will be able to find a job offer on 
Dlang.

A difficulty is to push the community to take care of new name 
for upcoming articles.
Nov 08 2012
parent reply "anonymous" <anonymous example.com> writes:
On Thursday, 8 November 2012 at 20:11:31 UTC, Flamaros wrote:

 I like the actual name : D, but there is some issues with it.
 D is just to small to be able to do a search on it on internet, 
 a lot of search engine just can't index correctly something to 
 small, and I think it's just normal.


[...]

http://dlang.org/faq#q1_1
Nov 08 2012
next sibling parent reply "Flamaros" <flamaros.xavier gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 8 November 2012 at 20:23:13 UTC, anonymous wrote:

 On Thursday, 8 November 2012 at 20:11:31 UTC, Flamaros wrote:

 I like the actual name : D, but there is some issues with it.
 D is just to small to be able to do a search on it on 
 internet, a lot of search engine just can't index correctly 
 something to small, and I think it's just normal.


 [...]

 http://dlang.org/faq#q1_1


Sorry I didn't see it.

But I am not really agree to say it's too late, it just depend on 
how much we estimate the interest compared to the difficulty to 
do it.
How many years it will take to be able to do a search on D that 
isn't linked to the code? Like a job search, or anything else?
Maybe it's not necessary to change it in tools, but only on web 
sites?
Why dlang.org and not d.org?

I think that a name change will affect the speed of the community 
grow now, because the effect will be larger at the beginning.

I am french and D match really often with d' that is a prefix 
word.
Nov 08 2012
next sibling parent 1100110 <0b1100110 gmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:39:31 -0600, Flamaros <flamaros.xavier gmail.com>  
wrote:


 On Thursday, 8 November 2012 at 20:23:13 UTC, anonymous wrote:

 On Thursday, 8 November 2012 at 20:11:31 UTC, Flamaros wrote:

 I like the actual name : D, but there is some issues with it.
 D is just to small to be able to do a search on it on internet, a lot  
 of search engine just can't index correctly something to small, and I  
 think it's just normal.


 [...]

 http://dlang.org/faq#q1_1


 Sorry I didn't see it.

 But I am not really agree to say it's too late, it just depend on how  
 much we estimate the interest compared to the difficulty to do it.
 How many years it will take to be able to do a search on D that isn't  
 linked to the code? Like a job search, or anything else?
 Maybe it's not necessary to change it in tools, but only on web sites?
 Why dlang.org and not d.org?

 I think that a name change will affect the speed of the community grow  
 now, because the effect will be larger at the beginning.

 I am french and D match really often with d' that is a prefix word.


most likely d.org is already taken.

You might succeed with d.io or d.me or some other variation, but i doubt  
it.
just google dlang.  It's smart enough to find what you want.

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Nov 08 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
On 11/8/12, Flamaros <flamaros.xavier gmail.com> wrote:

 I think that a name change will affect the speed of the community
 grow now, because the effect will be larger at the beginning.


That's just wishful thinking.


because those languages are popular, not because they have a
searchable name.
Nov 08 2012
prev sibling parent Thomas Koch <thomas koch.ro> writes:
Flamaros wrote:

 How many years it will take to be able to do a search on D that
 isn't linked to the code? Like a job search, or anything else?


I've done a little bit in the area of search engines. With todays algorithms 
it's no problem to search for a language with a single letter "D". Modern 
search engines analyze the context of this "D" and know whether the site is 
about programming languages or Germany (D for Deutschland).

Try searching for "f ide linux"! The computer word "linux" makes it clear to 
google that f is the name of the programming language. "f ide" is too 
unspecific.


 Why dlang.org and not d.org?


Because there is no d.org:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-letter_second-level_domain


 I think that a name change will affect the speed of the community
 grow now, because the effect will be larger at the beginning.


Far more important than the name is the network of links between d related 
content. Only good web sites about d linking to other good websites will 
make d more visible to search engines and thus to people.

I started a discussion about the sorry state of the D wiki[1]. Maybe you'd 
like to help pushing this issue?

[1] http://forum.dlang.org/thread/k6jak1$quh$1 digitalmars.com

Best regards, Thomas Koch
Nov 12 2012
prev sibling parent reply "Rob T" <rob ucora.com> writes:
On Thursday, 8 November 2012 at 20:23:13 UTC, anonymous wrote:

 On Thursday, 8 November 2012 at 20:11:31 UTC, Flamaros wrote:

 I like the actual name : D, but there is some issues with it.
 D is just to small to be able to do a search on it on 
 internet, a lot of search engine just can't index correctly 
 something to small, and I think it's just normal.


 [...]

 http://dlang.org/faq#q1_1


alias D somethingawholelotbetter;

Seriously whatever cons there are to a name change cannot 
possibly outweigh the power of the Internet. If you cannot find 
it on the Internet, then it simply does not exist.

As an added benefit, all those old D1 websites that have been 
dead for a few years will at least stop showing up during search 
results.

If there's no official name change, we should define an 
unofficial name among ourselves by holding a contest and vote on 
a winner, then we start using the new name everywhere. Problem 
solved.

--rt
Nov 08 2012
parent reply "monarch_dodra" <monarchdodra gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 8 November 2012 at 20:42:40 UTC, Rob T wrote:

 Seriously whatever cons there are to a name change cannot 
 possibly outweigh the power of the Internet. If you cannot find 
 it on the Internet, then it simply does not exist.


+1


 If there's no official name change, we should define an 
 unofficial name among ourselves by holding a contest and vote 
 on a winner, then we start using the new name everywhere. 
 Problem solved.


I don't think we should try to find something new, when "dlang" 
is already a great abbreviation of "The D programming language".
Nov 08 2012
parent reply "Regan Heath" <regan netmail.co.nz> writes:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:13:51 -0000, monarch_dodra <monarchdodra gmail.com>  
wrote:


 On Thursday, 8 November 2012 at 20:42:40 UTC, Rob T wrote:

 Seriously whatever cons there are to a name change cannot possibly  
 outweigh the power of the Internet. If you cannot find it on the  
 Internet, then it simply does not exist.


 +1


 If there's no official name change, we should define an unofficial name  
 among ourselves by holding a contest and vote on a winner, then we  
 start using the new name everywhere. Problem solved.


 I don't think we should try to find something new, when "dlang" is  
 already a great abbreviation of "The D programming language".


We also have DPL:
http://www.acronymfinder.com/DPL.html

R

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Nov 08 2012
parent reply Marco Leise <Marco.Leise gmx.de> writes:
:p Muchas problemas:

D-lang -> not-invented-here! (golang, etc.)
DPL -> has no sound to it
iirc "dee" was also a proposal in the past

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Nov 10 2012
parent "Regan Heath" <regan netmail.co.nz> writes:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:06:38 -0000, Marco Leise <Marco.Leise gmx.de> wrote:


 DPL -> has no sound to it


I read DPL as "dee-pee-el" which sounds cool to me. :p

R

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Nov 12 2012