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reply deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
Jan 01
next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 1/1/2017 3:55 PM, deadalnix wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
I use Ubuntu as my development system for D on Linux.
Jan 01
next sibling parent reply deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 00:04:51 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 1/1/2017 3:55 PM, deadalnix wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
I use Ubuntu as my development system for D on Linux.
Then you may want to check that nothing DMD produces will link because of PIE.
Jan 01
parent reply deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 01:03:54 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 00:04:51 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 1/1/2017 3:55 PM, deadalnix wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
I use Ubuntu as my development system for D on Linux.
Then you may want to check that nothing DMD produces will link because of PIE.
On a broader note, all my project involving D are on standby since this problem occurred. I'd be a business, this'd be the time where I would put D into the trash, use something else and never look back.
Jan 01
parent reply Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 01:06 +0000, deadalnix via Digitalmars-d wrote:
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 On a broader note, all my project involving D are on standby=C2=A0
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 time where I would put D into the trash, use something else and=C2=A0
 never look back.
Just use LDC? --=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
Jan 02
parent deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 11:15:41 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
 On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 01:06 +0000, deadalnix via Digitalmars-d 
 wrote:
 
[…]
 On a broader note, all my project involving D are on standby 
 since this problem occurred. I'd be a business, this'd be the 
 time where I would put D into the trash, use something else 
 and never look back.
Just use LDC?
No. I'd be then stuck with other bugs which would also require month to be fixed.
Jan 02
prev sibling parent reply Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Sun, 2017-01-01 at 16:04 -0800, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
 On 1/1/2017 3:55 PM, deadalnix wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
=20 I use Ubuntu as my development system for D on Linux.
Irrelevant datum.=20 What matters is what programmers out there wanting to use D can use. On Debian and Fedora DMD is not an option, it's existence is irrelevant due to all the supposed licencing faff. For Debian and Fedora, LDC is the only option and the only way. GDC is on Debian but seemingly not on Fedora. This is fine. DMD can be the development playground, but it is unlikely ever to be the primary production compiler, that will be LDC. I think the D Foundation should put this strategy up front. --=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
Jan 02
parent reply Elronnd <elronnd em.slashem.me> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 11:15:02 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
 On Sun, 2017-01-01 at 16:04 -0800, Walter Bright via 
 Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On 1/1/2017 3:55 PM, deadalnix wrote:
On Debian and Fedora DMD is not an option GDC is on Debian but seemingly not on Fedora.
I run DMD and GDC both on fedora. I'm not sure why you think they're not there.
Jan 11
parent reply Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Thu, 2017-01-12 at 04:43 +0000, Elronnd via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 11:15:02 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
 On Sun, 2017-01-01 at 16:04 -0800, Walter Bright via=C2=A0
 Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On 1/1/2017 3:55 PM, deadalnix wrote:
=20 On Debian and Fedora DMD is not an option GDC is on Debian but seemingly not on Fedora.
=20 I run DMD and GDC both on fedora.=C2=A0=C2=A0I'm not sure why you think=
=C2=A0
 they're not there.
DMD is not packaged by Debian or Fedora. GDC is packaged by Debian but is not packaged by Fedora. --=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
Jan 12
parent reply Elronnd <elronnd em.slashem.me> writes:
On Thursday, 12 January 2017 at 09:20:42 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
 DMD is not packaged by Debian or Fedora.

 GDC is packaged by Debian but is not packaged by Fedora.
There are RPMs available at dlang.org, and it's trivial to compile GDC.
Jan 12
next sibling parent Timothee Cour via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
osx / linux:
brew install dmd #works
brew install ldc #works

would be nice to have:
brew install gdc


On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Elronnd via Digitalmars-d <
digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:

 On Thursday, 12 January 2017 at 09:20:42 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:

 DMD is not packaged by Debian or Fedora.

 GDC is packaged by Debian but is not packaged by Fedora.
There are RPMs available at dlang.org, and it's trivial to compile GDC.
Jan 13
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 05:44 +0000, Elronnd via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Thursday, 12 January 2017 at 09:20:42 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
 DMD is not packaged by Debian or Fedora.
=20
 GDC is packaged by Debian but is not packaged by Fedora.
=20 There are RPMs available at dlang.org, and it's trivial to=C2=A0 compile GDC.
This has no bearing on my original point. DMD is not packaged on Debian and Fedora. GDC is not packaged on Fedora. Thus LDC which is packaged by both Debian and Fedora is the only practically usable D compiler on both these platforms. --=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
Jan 13
parent reply Elronnd <elronnd em.slashem.me> writes:
On Friday, 13 January 2017 at 11:50:25 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:

 LDC which is packaged by both Debian and Fedora is the
 only practically usable D compiler on both these platforms.
What's impractical about downloading and installing an rpm? For that matter, downloading the source and compiling it isn't all that impractical either.
Jan 14
parent reply Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Sat, 2017-01-14 at 17:28 +0000, Elronnd via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Friday, 13 January 2017 at 11:50:25 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
=20
 LDC which is packaged by both Debian and Fedora is the
 only practically usable D compiler on both these platforms.
=20 What's impractical about downloading and installing an rpm?=C2=A0=C2=A0Fo=
r=C2=A0
 that matter, downloading the source and compiling it isn't all=C2=A0
 that impractical either.
Downloading and installing an RPM outside of dnf. For you. There is little point in debating this on these lines. Your perspective is of a determined technical person really wanting to get moving with something. That's great, but is a totally different perspective from trying to gain traction and have good marketing amongst people who have no intention of putting themselves out. From a marketing perspective if it isn't in the aptitude (Debian, Ubuntu, Mint,=E2=80=A6) or dnf (Fedora, CentOS, RHEL,=E2=80=A6) install area it doesn't exist =E2=80=93 at least in= terms of easy traction. The upshot of this thread is that downloads from the website should be downgraded in profile for Linux and MacOS =E2=80=93 Windows is just a #### system where download is all there is (caveat Chocolatey but it has very little traction). For MacOS (or whatever it is called this week), there is MacPorts and Brew and everything D related should be in there. For Debian, Fedora, Arch, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc. all D related things should either be in the main repository for the system or (second rate but=E2=80=A6) in a repository that can be added to the set up. As soon as t= he way of installing is "download and install" you are lost. This is not about the keen folk, this is about the average folk. --=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
Jan 14
parent reply Jack Applegame <japplegame gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 14 January 2017 at 18:41:21 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
 On Sat, 2017-01-14 at 17:28 +0000, Elronnd via Digitalmars-d 
 wrote:
 On Friday, 13 January 2017 at 11:50:25 UTC, Russel Winder 
 wrote:
 
 LDC which is packaged by both Debian and Fedora is the
 only practically usable D compiler on both these platforms.
What's impractical about downloading and installing an rpm?  For that matter, downloading the source and compiling it isn't all that impractical either.
Downloading and installing an RPM outside of dnf.
What do you mean "outside"? I use DMD on CentOS, and I installed it by command: yum install http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.072.2/dmd-2.072.2-0.fedora.x86_64.rpm From your point of view it is "outside" or "inside" of yum?
Jan 14
parent Matthias Klumpp <mak debian.org> writes:
On Saturday, 14 January 2017 at 23:24:18 UTC, Jack Applegame 
wrote:
 On Saturday, 14 January 2017 at 18:41:21 UTC, Russel Winder 
 wrote:
 On Sat, 2017-01-14 at 17:28 +0000, Elronnd via Digitalmars-d 
 wrote:
 On Friday, 13 January 2017 at 11:50:25 UTC, Russel Winder 
 wrote:
 
 LDC which is packaged by both Debian and Fedora is the
 only practically usable D compiler on both these platforms.
What's impractical about downloading and installing an rpm?  For that matter, downloading the source and compiling it isn't all that impractical either.
Downloading and installing an RPM outside of dnf.
What do you mean "outside"? I use DMD on CentOS, and I installed it by command: yum install http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/2.x/2.072.2/dmd-2.072.2-0.fedora.x86_64.rpm From your point of view it is "outside" or "inside" of yum?
Still outside because it is not developed as part of Fedora. One big reason for getting a language's toolchain into the main repositories of a distribution that Russel didn't mention yet is the additional QA and testing it will get. For example, the PIE/PIC issue would not have happened at all if people were using the tools provided by the distribution, because we made sure that every tool we ship works with this change. Using pieces that are part of the distribution is also way easier than getting them from external sources, also mainly because we can give a lot of guarantees about software we ship in a distribution. And also, D software that is itself part of the distro will be compiled with one of the purely-free compilers anyway, so if you target one of those it just makes sense to primarily use LDC or GDC to ensure the software works well.
Jan 14
prev sibling next sibling parent Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 11:50:25 Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 05:44 +0000, Elronnd via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Thursday, 12 January 2017 at 09:20:42 UTC, Russel Winder wrote:
 DMD is not packaged by Debian or Fedora.

 GDC is packaged by Debian but is not packaged by Fedora.
There are RPMs available at dlang.org, and it's trivial to compile GDC.
This has no bearing on my original point. DMD is not packaged on Debian and Fedora. GDC is not packaged on Fedora. Thus LDC which is packaged by both Debian and Fedora is the only practically usable D compiler on both these platforms.
And why on earth does having to download the package from dlang.org rather than getting it from the official Debian or Fedora repos make dmd not practically usable on those distros? Sure, it would be nice if they were in the official repos, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't work or isn't a completely viable option on those distros. - Jonathan M Davis
Jan 13
prev sibling parent Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 18:56 -0800, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
[=E2=80=A6]
 And why on earth does having to download the package from dlang.org
 rather
 than getting it from the official Debian or Fedora repos make dmd not
 practically usable on those distros? Sure, it would be nice if they
 were in
 the official repos, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't work or
 isn't a
 completely viable option on those distros.
Because it involves downloading packages and running your own local repository from which to install. For Debian there is D-Apt which is a reasonable half way house (*). Actually the only house given the licencing problems with DMD. For Fedora there is nothing. The enthusiasm displayed for trying to do a Fedora equivalent of D-Apt when I proposed it was so undewhelming, I gave up even starting. (*) It should be the only way of getting the packages, replacing the hosting of files on dlang.org. --=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
Jan 14
prev sibling next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?Tm9yZGzDtnc=?= <per.nordlow gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 1 January 2017 at 23:55:37 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
2.072.2 was released yesterday. Doesn't that work on Ubuntu 16.10?
Jan 01
next sibling parent Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 01:24 +0000, Nordl=C3=B6w via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Sunday, 1 January 2017 at 23:55:37 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
=20 2.072.2 was released yesterday. Doesn't that work on Ubuntu 16.10?
But is it in the Debian or Ubuntu (or Mint) repositories? No. This therefore limits marketing and traction on those platforms. And Fedora. Once you start using Debian or related, or Fedora, you very quickly realise that LDC is your friend and the rest are of no consequence. --=20 Russel. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.winder ekiga.n= et 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: russel winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder
Jan 02
prev sibling next sibling parent deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 01:24:58 UTC, Nordlöw wrote:
 On Sunday, 1 January 2017 at 23:55:37 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
2.072.2 was released yesterday. Doesn't that work on Ubuntu 16.10?
Victory ! It took some time but here we are. Good to see this is fixed. Thanks whoever fixed it!
Jan 02
prev sibling parent =?UTF-8?B?Tm9yZGzDtnc=?= <per.nordlow gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 01:24:58 UTC, Nordlöw wrote:
 2.072.2 was released yesterday. Doesn't that work on Ubuntu 
 16.10?
I automate installation of DMD with https://github.com/nordlow/scripts/blob/master/pget_dmd-stable which was just updated to latest stable
Jan 02
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d" <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 11:55:37PM +0000, deadalnix via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
I care. But I've been using custom-built DMD on Debian, and it has been working so far. Of course, I don't know about the .deb distribution. A fix was recently pushed, but I don't know if that fixed the problem. My solution was basically to built druntime & phobos with -fPIC so that static libphobos.a is PIC. But my solution was declined in bugzilla and a different fix was opted for. Does that still not work? T -- Public parking: euphemism for paid parking. -- Flora
Jan 01
parent reply Martin Nowak <code dawg.eu> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 02:31:16 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 11:55:37PM +0000, deadalnix via 
 Digitalmars-d wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
I care. But I've been using custom-built DMD on Debian, and it has been working so far. Of course, I don't know about the .deb distribution. A fix was recently pushed, but I don't know if that fixed the problem. My solution was basically to built druntime & phobos with -fPIC so that static libphobos.a is PIC. But my solution was declined in bugzilla and a different fix was opted for.
Linking against shared phobos was just mentioned as immediate workaround. Changing over to -fPIC by default amd64 was one of multiple options that had to be carefully evaluated. It's fairly trivial to just demand a certain change without considering it's impact.
Jan 02
parent reply Basile B. <b2.temp gmx.com> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 13:58:53 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
 On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 02:31:16 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 11:55:37PM +0000, deadalnix via 
 Digitalmars-d wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
I care. But I've been using custom-built DMD on Debian, and it has been working so far. Of course, I don't know about the .deb distribution. A fix was recently pushed, but I don't know if that fixed the problem. My solution was basically to built druntime & phobos with -fPIC so that static libphobos.a is PIC. But my solution was declined in bugzilla and a different fix was opted for.
Linking against shared phobos was just mentioned as immediate workaround. Changing over to -fPIC by default amd64 was one of multiple options that had to be carefully evaluated. It's fairly trivial to just demand a certain change without considering it's impact.
Not to mention that not all linux distributions work this way. Even not all the debian -> unbntu ones (such as Mint), and certainly not the ones based on red hat.
Jan 02
parent Martin Nowak <code dawg.eu> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 15:11:42 UTC, Basile B. wrote:
 Not to mention that not all linux distributions work this way. 
 Even not all the debian -> unbntu ones (such as Mint), and 
 certainly not the ones based on red hat.
The topic was fairly disputed for RH, but Jakub Jelinek is also the author of prelink, and seems a bit biased. There are also IRC logs available. https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1113 It's true that ASLR is only a small security improvement that's not even relevant to many programs. I also ran several benchmarks and didn't found any measurable changes. So in the end going with PIC by default seemed OK.
Jan 02
prev sibling next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2017-01-02 00:55, deadalnix wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
DMD 2.072.2 works for me on Ubuntu 16.10. 2.072.1 does not work. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Jan 02
prev sibling parent reply Martin Nowak <code dawg.eu> writes:
On Sunday, 1 January 2017 at 23:55:37 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
It's fairly embarrassing to read so much uninformed noise. https://trello.com/c/E1LU0SAe/269-issue-16794-deb-not-working-on-ubuntu-16-10-because-of default-pie-linking (added 5 days after bug report) http://forum.dlang.org/post/o3ogr0$27hu$1 digitalmars.com https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16794
Jan 02
next sibling parent reply Martin Nowak <code dawg.eu> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 13:51:15 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
 On Sunday, 1 January 2017 at 23:55:37 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
It's fairly embarrassing to read so much uninformed noise.
Not to mention that everyone could have fixed this bug.
Jan 02
parent deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 13:52:29 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
 On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 13:51:15 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
 On Sunday, 1 January 2017 at 23:55:37 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
It's fairly embarrassing to read so much uninformed noise.
Not to mention that everyone could have fixed this bug.
Everyone could have written a patch, see it not being reviewed for a week, ping it on a daily basis, got asked for some changes, do the changes, wait another week, go hunt reviewers on IRC, finally got it merged, ask if that's possible to get it in the next release, get told that the patch was against master rather than stable or whatnot, get asked to go through the whole process all over again because why would anyone use git cherry pick, abandon, wait 6 month to get the fix live. Yes, that's how it goes.
Jan 02
prev sibling parent reply deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 13:51:15 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
 On Sunday, 1 January 2017 at 23:55:37 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage...
It's fairly embarrassing to read so much uninformed noise. https://trello.com/c/E1LU0SAe/269-issue-16794-deb-not-working-on-ubuntu-16-10-because-of default-pie-linking (added 5 days after bug report) http://forum.dlang.org/post/o3ogr0$27hu$1 digitalmars.com https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16794
Consider that if I'm misinformed, then nobody but you is. Welcome to the real world. Plus the fix was actually released yesterday, so it's not like I'm lagging by much. The internal meddling nonsense that's going on is none of any user business.
Jan 02
parent reply Martin Nowak <code dawg.eu> writes:
On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 18:18:33 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 Plus the fix was actually released yesterday, so it's not like 
 I'm lagging by much. The internal meddling nonsense that's 
 going on is none of any user business.
Bug reports are dealt with on Bugzilla, shouldn't be surprising. It's also fairly reasonable to ask you to search the Forum and Bugzilla for your topic and progress on that before posting a rant.
Jan 02
parent reply deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 at 00:16:52 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
 On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 18:18:33 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 Plus the fix was actually released yesterday, so it's not like 
 I'm lagging by much. The internal meddling nonsense that's 
 going on is none of any user business.
Bug reports are dealt with on Bugzilla, shouldn't be surprising. It's also fairly reasonable to ask you to search the Forum and Bugzilla for your topic and progress on that before posting a rant.
I understand this is frustrating to see users complain about something when it looks like it's been fixes ages ago when you are the nose into it. But please understand that as far as D goes, if someone like me is not aware of something, it is fair to assume 99% of the populace isn't either. This kind of thing as real effect in the real world. In past Nov, I saw 2 professional user drop D because of this kind of problems. These users don't complains and just move on to something else.
Jan 04
parent reply Martin Nowak <code dawg.eu> writes:
On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 at 15:10:48 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 at 00:16:52 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
 On Monday, 2 January 2017 at 18:18:33 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 Plus the fix was actually released yesterday, so it's not 
 like I'm lagging by much. The internal meddling nonsense 
 that's going on is none of any user business.
Bug reports are dealt with on Bugzilla, shouldn't be surprising. It's also fairly reasonable to ask you to search the Forum and Bugzilla for your topic and progress on that before posting a rant.
I understand this is frustrating to see users complain about something when it looks like it's been fixes ages ago when you are the nose into it.
No, that's understandable. Also the reason why we started to have regular public plannings on D.internals, to make our priorities more transparent and have a place where important topics can be raised. Just firefighting and hopping from rant to rant is horribly unfocused and an inefficient prioritization strategy. Even if communication and professionalism is not yet where we want it to be, sentences like
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage.
are rather frustrating to read.
Jan 10
parent deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 11 January 2017 at 00:33:41 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
 But it is not clear if anyone cares at this stage.
are rather frustrating to read.
Alright, sentence like this come from extreme frustration at things being almost constantly broken. For instance: https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17107 As it turns out, this problem is not quite fixed.
Jan 18