digitalmars.D - I came up with a new logo for the D language
- Barry Smith (4/4) Apr 12 2015 It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you
- Rikki Cattermole (5/8) Apr 12 2015 I think we should integrate our solar system's planets more into the log...
- Kapps (2/7) Apr 12 2015 IIRC Andrei and/or Walter were quite opposed to a logo change.
- tcak (10/19) Apr 12 2015 Problems about logo are 3 things:
- deadalnix (5/5) Apr 13 2015 It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these
- ixid (3/8) Apr 13 2015 Do you think anyone outside a tiny number of forum users would
- Abdulhaq (25/35) Apr 13 2015 C and D share a great feature - their entire ecosystem, ethos, is
- Gary Willoughby (6/6) Apr 13 2015 On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 12:49:19 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:
- Gary Willoughby (10/14) Apr 13 2015 No. This is fashion. Hire a professional to do it and make long
- Abdulhaq (5/19) Apr 13 2015 Yep it's certainly a fashion but is there really any escape from
- "Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= (11/20) Apr 13 2015 I don't think any of the proposed logos have been better than the
- Andrei Alexandrescu (8/9) Apr 13 2015 I think that's incorrect.
- deadalnix (3/13) Apr 13 2015 Yes. I'm fairly confident that more people know about the D logo
- Andrei Alexandrescu (3/11) Apr 13 2015 Yes, it's on the site, which undergoes quite a few visits daily.
- Walter Bright (4/8) Apr 13 2015 I appreciate the effort going into making a new logo, and it's always fu...
- Barry Smith (2/14) Apr 13 2015 Well, I guess that's that then. The master has decided.
- Piotrek (6/22) Apr 13 2015 I think it's better to create logos for community events (like
- Abdulhaq (4/9) Apr 13 2015 This idea improves on the current one in that it is much clearer
- Gary Willoughby (3/14) Apr 13 2015 It's terrible and looks like a student project. Please stop
- Abdulhaq (4/19) Apr 13 2015 You're making silly accusations. My skin is fairly thick so no
- Israel (4/9) Apr 13 2015 It is difficult to associate the letter D with planets or
- bitwise (11/15) Apr 13 2015 D needs merit, not marketing.
- Walter Bright (6/8) Apr 13 2015 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/3187
- weaselcat (2/2) Apr 13 2015 I rather liked the anthropomorphized D that used to be somewhere
- CraigDillabaugh (2/4) Apr 13 2015 This guy : http://dlang.org/overview.html
- H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d (6/11) Apr 13 2015 Here's my attempt to upgrade that mascot:
- Walter Bright (3/6) Apr 13 2015 I drew that on an envelope many years ago, and scanned it in.
It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you like it. http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG version.
Apr 12 2015
On 13/04/2015 10:01 a.m., Barry Smith wrote:It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you like it. http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG version.I think we should integrate our solar system's planets more into the logo. A little like what I did for The way to program - Lets think like a D(eveloper)'s title page. https://github.com/rikkimax/twp-d/blob/master/manuscript/images/title_page.png
Apr 12 2015
On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 22:02:01 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you like it. http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG version.IIRC Andrei and/or Walter were quite opposed to a logo change.
Apr 12 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 02:56:04 UTC, Kapps wrote:On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 22:02:01 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:Problems about logo are 3 things: 1. The background (that glass effect) shouldn't be considered a part of logo. It should be changed whenever necessary. 2. The logo itself (without background) is a little wide. 3. Until you guys said, I didn't know that those are planets. They should be an original colourful logo maybe that makes this clear. But, since no changes even considered at all, there is no need it give any effort I think.It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you like it. http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG version.IIRC Andrei and/or Walter were quite opposed to a logo change.
Apr 12 2015
It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these aren't planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons). What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated with D. Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's probably won't happen.
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 07:12:29 UTC, deadalnix wrote:It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these aren't planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons). What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated with D. Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's probably won't happen.Do you think anyone outside a tiny number of forum users would recognize the logo at this stage?
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 10:31:06 UTC, ixid wrote:On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 07:12:29 UTC, deadalnix wrote:C and D share a great feature - their entire ecosystem, ethos, is expressed entirely in a single letter. On reddit or hacker news one need merely write the letter D and everyone knows what you are talking about. Only a small fraction of those people associate D with its current logo - a white D on a red "shiny" background, the white D having some sort of blob attached to it. To me the logo looks far too busy. I find it clunky, forced (because it's trying to squash in two moons and a planet) and unattractive. On the subject of the D media "brand", I don't believe there really is one. For instance, take a look at the D on the cover of Andrei's book: http://erdani.com/index.php/books/tdpl/ - no blobs in sight. I'd suggest a fresh look be introduced when the ref counting and GC work has been done, and personally I'd suggest just a simple clean 2D metro-ish "D" as the "logo", but I do realise that I am just one tiny voice of many. I think the homage to Digital Mars is just confusing in the website logo but should be retained in related product names such as phobos. To compound the heresy and further stir the Wrath of Gary :-) I'd even change the colour to blue. I hasten to add that all the above thinking is pure meaningless bikeshedding and getting a better GC is where it's all at for me :-)It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these aren't planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons). What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated with D. Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's probably won't happen.Do you think anyone outside a tiny number of forum users would recognize the logo at this stage?
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 12:49:19 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote: ... Walter has said many time the logo is *not* changing. On the off chance that the logo is authorised to be changed, I suggest we start a fundraiser to hire professional designers and maybe marketeers to re-brand and market D effectively.
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 12:49:19 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:I'd suggest a fresh look be introduced when the ref counting and GC work has been done,Believe it or not i'm not opposed to this.and personally I'd suggest just a simple clean 2D metro-ish "D" as the "logo",No. This is fashion. Hire a professional to do it and make long term usability a requirement. The 2d flat look will feel very old when the big boys (Microsoft, Apple) move on. At the end of the day it's Walter's and Andrei's decision and it's not a decision to take lightly. Sometimes a new logo (and associated re-brand) can give you an energetic new direction on the other hand it can cause more issues with recognisability and market confusion.
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 15:12:18 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote:On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 12:49:19 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:Yep it's certainly a fashion but is there really any escape from that? I agree that professionals will do a much better job than an amateur will.I'd suggest a fresh look be introduced when the ref counting and GC work has been done,Believe it or not i'm not opposed to this.and personally I'd suggest just a simple clean 2D metro-ish "D" as the "logo",No. This is fashion. Hire a professional to do it and make long term usability a requirement. The 2d flat look will feel very old when the big boys (Microsoft, Apple) move on.At the end of the day it's Walter's and Andrei's decision and it's not a decision to take lightly. Sometimes a new logo (and associated re-brand) can give you an energetic new direction on the other hand it can cause more issues with recognisability and market confusion.Yes.
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 15:12:18 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote:On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 12:49:19 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:I don't think any of the proposed logos have been better than the current one (which also works well as a tiny icon), but you could easily flatten the logo by just keeping the white symbol and put it on a black bar with the menu beneath as part of the current webpage upgrade. You could keep the red by making the tiny circle red. The current image is a little bit "overdone" and so much red is "screaming". Changing the outline of the logo without backing it up with a major language version announcement is rather pointless IMO.I'd suggest a fresh look be introduced when the ref counting and GC work has been done,Believe it or not i'm not opposed to this.and personally I'd suggest just a simple clean 2D metro-ish "D" as the "logo",No. This is fashion. Hire a professional to do it and make long term usability a requirement. The 2d flat look will feel very old when the big boys (Microsoft, Apple) move on.
Apr 13 2015
On 4/13/15 5:49 AM, Abdulhaq wrote:Only a small fraction of those people associate D with its current logoI think that's incorrect. A simple thought: if you have graphics talents and inclination there's a TON of opportunity to apply them all over dlang.org and dconf.org. Cue my desperate attempts for a good DConf logo and general look. Ironically the only untouchable part is the logo. ("The one door you shouln't open...") Have at it. Just leave the logo alone. Andrei
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 10:31:06 UTC, ixid wrote:On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 07:12:29 UTC, deadalnix wrote:Yes. I'm fairly confident that more people know about the D logo than D itself.It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these aren't planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons). What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated with D. Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's probably won't happen.Do you think anyone outside a tiny number of forum users would recognize the logo at this stage?
Apr 13 2015
On 4/13/15 3:31 AM, ixid wrote:On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 07:12:29 UTC, deadalnix wrote:Yes, it's on the site, which undergoes quite a few visits daily. Surprising details with my keynote at DConf 2015. -- AndreiIt does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these aren't planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons). What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated with D. Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's probably won't happen.Do you think anyone outside a tiny number of forum users would recognize the logo at this stage?
Apr 13 2015
On 4/13/2015 12:12 AM, deadalnix wrote:It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these aren't planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons). What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated with D. Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's probably won't happen.I appreciate the effort going into making a new logo, and it's always fun to do it and talk about it, but I like the existing one better (and I agree that constantly changing the logo is tantamount to not having one, making it pointless).
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 18:56:45 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:On 4/13/2015 12:12 AM, deadalnix wrote:Well, I guess that's that then. The master has decided.It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these aren't planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons). What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated with D. Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's probably won't happen.I appreciate the effort going into making a new logo, and it's always fun to do it and talk about it, but I like the existing one better (and I agree that constantly changing the logo is tantamount to not having one, making it pointless).
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 20:25:21 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 18:56:45 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:I think it's better to create logos for community events (like the latest DConf logo). Just for the record the upcoming "D Hackathon" needs more marketing. It would be good to attract some people from the outside. PiotrekOn 4/13/2015 12:12 AM, deadalnix wrote:Well, I guess that's that then. The master has decided.It does not matter if one knows this is planets or not (these aren't planet technically, but phobos and deimos, mars's moons). What does matter is that the logo is recognized and associated with D. Any logo change goes against that goal, so that's probably won't happen.I appreciate the effort going into making a new logo, and it's always fun to do it and talk about it, but I like the existing one better (and I agree that constantly changing the logo is tantamount to not having one, making it pointless).
Apr 13 2015
On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 22:02:01 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you like it. http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG version.This idea improves on the current one in that it is much clearer that the two 'blobs' are different objects to the D itself. I like it.
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 08:14:05 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 22:02:01 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:It's terrible and looks like a student project. Please stop trying to destroy the D brand.It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you like it. http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG version.This idea improves on the current one in that it is much clearer that the two 'blobs' are different objects to the D itself. I like it.
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 08:26:32 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote:On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 08:14:05 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote:You're making silly accusations. My skin is fairly thick so no offence taken but when it comes to 'destroying D' the sometimes toxic atmosphere here is far more effective.On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 22:02:01 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:It's terrible and looks like a student project. Please stop trying to destroy the D brand.It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you like it. http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG version.This idea improves on the current one in that it is much clearer that the two 'blobs' are different objects to the D itself. I like it.
Apr 13 2015
On Sunday, 12 April 2015 at 22:02:01 UTC, Barry Smith wrote:It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you like it. http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG version.It is difficult to associate the letter D with planets or simple/flat/metro/minimalism designs of circles and planets. Good try though...
Apr 13 2015
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 18:01:59 -0400, Barry Smith <barry.of.smith gmail.com> wrote:It's simple, but clean. Somewhat similar to the old one. Hope you like it. http://s2.postimg.org/m6qcfemhl/dlang.png Email me at barry.of.smith gmail.com if you want the SVG version.D needs merit, not marketing. Before 2.067, my biggest problem with D were the crappy error messages and compiler bugs. The latest release seems to have improved the situation immensely. The next biggest things on my wish list are actually delivering on the "optional GC" promise, and support for mobile platforms. AFAIK, the former is possible as long as you're willing to tip-toe through a minefield, but not in any practical sense. And although the latter is already well underway, it is not officially supported.
Apr 13 2015
On 4/13/2015 9:42 AM, bitwise wrote:The next biggest things on my wish list are actually delivering on the "optional GC" promisehttps://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/3187 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/3185 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/3179 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/3178 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/3167
Apr 13 2015
I rather liked the anthropomorphized D that used to be somewhere on the site.
Apr 13 2015
On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 20:45:29 UTC, weaselcat wrote:I rather liked the anthropomorphized D that used to be somewhere on the site.This guy : http://dlang.org/overview.html
Apr 13 2015
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 08:49:13PM +0000, CraigDillabaugh via Digitalmars-d wrote:On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 20:45:29 UTC, weaselcat wrote:Here's my attempt to upgrade that mascot: http://eusebeia.dyndns.org/~hsteoh/tmp/mascot.png T -- People say I'm indecisive, but I'm not sure about that. -- YHL, CONLANGI rather liked the anthropomorphized D that used to be somewhere on the site.This guy : http://dlang.org/overview.html
Apr 13 2015
On 4/13/2015 1:49 PM, CraigDillabaugh wrote:On Monday, 13 April 2015 at 20:45:29 UTC, weaselcat wrote:I drew that on an envelope many years ago, and scanned it in. My only foray into cartooning :-)I rather liked the anthropomorphized D that used to be somewhere on the site.This guy : http://dlang.org/overview.html
Apr 13 2015