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reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and 
increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when 
reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant growth 
spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times. We are 
working with our provider to fix these issues.

Thanks,

Andrei
May 03 2012
next sibling parent "SomeDude" <lovelydear mailmetrash.com> writes:
On Thursday, 3 May 2012 at 14:50:09 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
 Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and 
 increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors 
 when reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a 
 significant growth spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred 
 in recent times. We are working with our provider to fix these 
 issues.

 Thanks,

 Andrei

Ah cool. That was annoying enough, but the worst offenders were the errors when posting from the web interface.
May 03 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
Le 03/05/2012 16:50, Andrei Alexandrescu a crit :
 Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and
 increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when
 reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant growth
 spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times. We are
 working with our provider to fix these issues.

 Thanks,

 Andrei

I love you :D It was so anoying when posting a message and *pof* error your message is lost .
May 03 2012
next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 05/03/2012 01:52 PM, deadalnix wrote:
 Le 03/05/2012 16:50, Andrei Alexandrescu a écrit :
 Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and
 increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when
 reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant growth
 spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times. We are
 working with our provider to fix these issues.

 Thanks,

 Andrei

I love you :D It was so anoying when posting a message and *pof* « error your message is lost ».

I've learned years ago to never trust a web page or a browser. I always type inside the Emacs *scratch* buffer and then copy and paste from there to the browser window. (I did it again! :) Actually no, this is a Thunderbird window, but still...) Ali
May 03 2012
parent Paulo Pinto <pjmlp progtools.org> writes:
Am 03.05.2012 22:51, schrieb Ali Çehreli:
 On 05/03/2012 01:52 PM, deadalnix wrote:
 Le 03/05/2012 16:50, Andrei Alexandrescu a écrit :
 Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and
 increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when
 reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant growth
 spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times. We are
 working with our provider to fix these issues.

 Thanks,

 Andrei

I love you :D It was so anoying when posting a message and *pof* « error your message is lost ».

I've learned years ago to never trust a web page or a browser. I always type inside the Emacs *scratch* buffer and then copy and paste from there to the browser window. (I did it again! :) Actually no, this is a Thunderbird window, but still...) Ali

Ah, the benefits of using plain simple native desktop applications. :)
May 04 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 01:51:20PM -0700, Ali ehreli wrote:
 On 05/03/2012 01:52 PM, deadalnix wrote:
Le 03/05/2012 16:50, Andrei Alexandrescu a crit :
Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and
increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when
reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant
growth spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times.
We are working with our provider to fix these issues.



I love you :D

It was so anoying when posting a message and *pof*  error your
message is lost .

I've learned years ago to never trust a web page or a browser.

+1.
 I always type inside the Emacs *scratch* buffer and then copy and
 paste from there to the browser window. (I did it again! :) Actually
 no, this is a Thunderbird window, but still...)

Or just use a sane email client like Mutt and subscribe to the mailing list instead. :-) T -- Life is unfair. Ask too much from it, and it may decide you don't deserve what you have now either.
May 03 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 5/3/2012 1:52 PM, deadalnix wrote:
 It was so anoying when posting a message and *pof*  error your message is
lost .

Youch. I didn't realize that was happening. I post from Thunderbird, and if it fails you just try it again. Anyhow, thanks to Jan Knepper for hosting us and figuring out a solution.
May 03 2012
parent reply =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alex_R=F8nne_Petersen?= <xtzgzorex gmail.com> writes:
On 04-05-2012 00:47, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 5/3/2012 1:52 PM, deadalnix wrote:
 It was so anoying when posting a message and *pof*  error your
 message is lost .

Youch. I didn't realize that was happening. I post from Thunderbird, and if it fails you just try it again.

I use Thunderbird too, and one of my messages actually *did* get lost. I wrote the message, hit send, and then right after it "finished" sending the message, an NG error popped up and the message was lost. As far as I can see, Thunderbird doesn't save sent NNTP messages anywhere unless you explicitly tell it to. :(
 Anyhow, thanks to Jan Knepper for hosting us and figuring out a solution.

-- - Alex
May 03 2012
next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
"Alex Rnne Petersen" <xtzgzorex gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:jnv2c1$319r$2 digitalmars.com...
 As far as I can see, Thunderbird doesn't save sent NNTP messages anywhere 
 unless you explicitly tell it to. :(

Outlook Express does ;)
May 03 2012
parent =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alex_R=F8nne_Petersen?= <xtzgzorex gmail.com> writes:
On 04-05-2012 01:50, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
 "Alex Rnne Petersen"<xtzgzorex gmail.com>  wrote in message
 news:jnv2c1$319r$2 digitalmars.com...
 As far as I can see, Thunderbird doesn't save sent NNTP messages anywhere
 unless you explicitly tell it to. :(

Outlook Express does ;)

I try to stay away from Windows. :P -- - Alex
May 03 2012
prev sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 5/3/2012 3:54 PM, Alex Rnne Petersen wrote:
 I use Thunderbird too, and one of my messages actually *did* get lost. I wrote
 the message, hit send, and then right after it "finished" sending the message,
 an NG error popped up and the message was lost.

 As far as I can see, Thunderbird doesn't save sent NNTP messages anywhere
unless
 you explicitly tell it to. :(

TB saves all sent messages in the "Sent" folder. It has happened a couple times that a n.g. posting got lost in transit, and I'd just get a copy from the Sent folder and resubmit it. I have never lost a message with TB. It's usually in the Sent or the Drafts folder. I suggest checking your TB options, and make sure to check the box about automatically saving a copy of sent messages.
May 03 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Thursday, 3 May 2012 at 20:45:24 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 It was so anoying when posting a message and *pof* « error 
 your message is lost ».

For the record: forum.dlang.org doesn't do this.
May 03 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Nick Sabalausky" <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
"deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:jnuqp4$2hs8$1 digitalmars.com...
 It was so anoying when posting a message and *pof*  error your message is 
 lost .

That's one of the reasons I avoid web-based things whenever possible.
May 03 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 07:50:30PM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
 "Alex Rnne Petersen" <xtzgzorex gmail.com> wrote in message 
 news:jnv2c1$319r$2 digitalmars.com...
 As far as I can see, Thunderbird doesn't save sent NNTP messages
 anywhere unless you explicitly tell it to. :(


I'm skeptical of all GUI-based mail clients. But that's just me. :-)
 Outlook Express does ;)

Ewww!! T -- It is widely believed that reinventing the wheel is a waste of time; but I disagree: without wheel reinventers, we would be still be stuck with wooden horse-cart wheels.
May 03 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent bioinfornatics <bioinfornatics fedoraproject.org> writes:
Le jeudi 03 mai 2012 =C3=A0 15:47 -0700, Walter Bright a =C3=A9crit :
 On 5/3/2012 1:52 PM, deadalnix wrote:
 It was so anoying when posting a message and *pof* =C2=AB error your me=


=20
 Youch. I didn't realize that was happening. I post from Thunderbird, and =

 fails you just try it again.
=20
 Anyhow, thanks to Jan Knepper for hosting us and figuring out a solution.

Works fine too, with Evolution
May 03 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Regan Heath" <regan netmail.co.nz> writes:
On Thu, 03 May 2012 23:25:26 +0100, H. S. Teoh <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> =
 =

wrote:

 On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 01:51:20PM -0700, Ali =C7ehreli wrote:
 On 05/03/2012 01:52 PM, deadalnix wrote:
Le 03/05/2012 16:50, Andrei Alexandrescu a =E9crit :
Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and
increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when
reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant
growth spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times.=




We are working with our provider to fix these issues.



I love you :D

It was so anoying when posting a message and *pof* =AB error your
message is lost =BB.

I've learned years ago to never trust a web page or a browser.

+1.
 I always type inside the Emacs *scratch* buffer and then copy and
 paste from there to the browser window. (I did it again! :) Actually
 no, this is a Thunderbird window, but still...)

Or just use a sane email client like Mutt and subscribe to the mailing=

 list instead. :-)

Opera does this right too :) R -- = Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
May 04 2012
prev sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Fri, 04 May 2012 05:00:10 -0400, Regan Heath <regan netmail.co.nz>  
wrote:

 Opera does this right too :)

Yeah, I still have all my sent posts in opera... One thing that annoys me though, if a message doesn't get sent, it stays in your outbox. Then when you double-click on it to edit/resend, it's been reformatted to be 80 characters wide for some reason. -Steve
May 04 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jeff Nowakowski <jeff dilacero.org> writes:
On 05/03/2012 10:50 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and
 increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when
 reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant growth
 spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times. We are
 working with our provider to fix these issues.

Out of curiosity, can we get some numbers on the number of concurrent users that are causing the problems? I'm surprised that a modern machine would have trouble keeping up with newsgroup traffic. I figure it is either broken software or the machine is actually busy doing something else.
May 03 2012
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 5/4/12 2:26 AM, Jeff Nowakowski wrote:
 On 05/03/2012 10:50 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and
 increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when
 reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant growth
 spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times. We are
 working with our provider to fix these issues.

Out of curiosity, can we get some numbers on the number of concurrent users that are causing the problems?

This would be interesting to know. Relayed upstream.
 I'm surprised that a modern machine
 would have trouble keeping up with newsgroup traffic. I figure it is
 either broken software or the machine is actually busy doing something
 else.

FWIW it seemed to be just a configuration issue. Andrei
May 04 2012
parent =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 05/04/2012 02:27 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 FWIW it seemed to be just a configuration issue.

Perhaps not solved yet? I just hit the same problem about fifteen minutes ago. Ali
May 04 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "SomeDude" <lovelydear mailmetrash.com> writes:
On Thursday, 3 May 2012 at 14:50:09 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
 Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and 
 increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors 
 when reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a 
 significant growth spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred 
 in recent times. We are working with our provider to fix these 
 issues.

 Thanks,

 Andrei

I don't know if someone was working on the NNTP server this morning, but it was really, really bad for a couple of minutes. I got "XHR error" and nothing else. Then it wen't back to normal.
May 04 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "SomeDude" <lovelydear mailmetrash.com> writes:
On Saturday, 5 May 2012 at 06:04:51 UTC, SomeDude wrote:

 I don't know if someone was working on the NNTP server this 
 morning, but it was really, really bad for a couple of minutes. 
 I got "XHR error" and nothing else. Then it wen't back to 
 normal.

20 mn later, it's slow again.
May 04 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Robert Clipsham <robert octarineparrot.com> writes:
On 03/05/2012 15:50, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and
 increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when
 reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant growth
 spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times. We are
 working with our provider to fix these issues.

 Thanks,

 Andrei

I've gotta say... These have been a lot more frequent for me since you posted this message! -- Robert http://octarineparrot.com/
May 07 2012
parent Ary Manzana <ary esperanto.org.ar> writes:
On 5/7/12 10:25 PM, Robert Clipsham wrote:
 On 03/05/2012 15:50, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and
 increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when
 reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant growth
 spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times. We are
 working with our provider to fix these issues.

 Thanks,

 Andrei

I've gotta say... These have been a lot more frequent for me since you posted this message!

For me it stopped shortly after this message, but then it started happening one or two days ago.
May 07 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Thu, 03 May 2012 10:50:13 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu  
<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:

 Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and  
 increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when  
 reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant growth  
 spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times. We are  
 working with our provider to fix these issues.

I'm seeing some interesting new behavior: I still get the error condition (quite frequently today) -- but opera still fetches messages. I'm not sure if this is good or bad :) -Steve
May 10 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
NNTP error: 400 load at 17.54, try later
May 12 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alex_R=F8nne_Petersen?= <xtzgzorex gmail.com> writes:
On 03-05-2012 16:50, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and
 increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when
 reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant growth
 spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times. We are
 working with our provider to fix these issues.

 Thanks,

 Andrei

I can barely make contact with the newsgroup server at this point... any news on upping the server capacity? -- - Alex
May 12 2012
next sibling parent reply "David Nadlinger" <see klickverbot.at> writes:
On Saturday, 12 May 2012 at 10:16:45 UTC, Alex Rønne Petersen 
wrote:
 I can barely make contact with the newsgroup server at this 
 point... any news on upping the server capacity?

The idea that any reasonably-sized machine shouldn't be able to run a fairly small newsgroup server these days still strikes me as odd, though… David
May 14 2012
parent reply Dmitry Olshansky <dmitry.olsh gmail.com> writes:
On 14.05.2012 22:06, Kagamin wrote:
 I wonder if something like this will be more painful?
 http://www.freewebhostingarea.com/

Or rather a cheap dedicated VPS box. http://buyvm.net/ 15$/year ? -- Dmitry Olshansky
May 14 2012
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 5/14/12 1:40 PM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
 On 14.05.2012 22:06, Kagamin wrote:
 I wonder if something like this will be more painful?
 http://www.freewebhostingarea.com/

Or rather a cheap dedicated VPS box. http://buyvm.net/ 15$/year ?

The issue seems to be different than sheer computing power, but instead software. Our current hypothesis is that the 168K files in one directory might be the cause for the slowness. Andrei
May 14 2012
parent =?UTF-8?B?QWxleCBSw7hubmUgUGV0ZXJzZW4=?= <xtzgzorex gmail.com> writes:
On 14-05-2012 21:16, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 5/14/12 1:40 PM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
 On 14.05.2012 22:06, Kagamin wrote:
 I wonder if something like this will be more painful?
 http://www.freewebhostingarea.com/

Or rather a cheap dedicated VPS box. http://buyvm.net/ 15$/year ?

The issue seems to be different than sheer computing power, but instead software. Our current hypothesis is that the 168K files in one directory might be the cause for the slowness. Andrei

That... does... sound curious. -- - Alex
May 14 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
I wonder if something like this will be more painful?
http://www.freewebhostingarea.com/
May 14 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
I swear MySQL can handle 168K records at once.
May 14 2012
prev sibling parent "Era Scarecrow" <rtcvb32 yahoo.com> writes:
On Monday, 14 May 2012 at 20:23:25 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
 I swear MySQL can handle 168K records at once.

I wonder why it can't just go on a queue that gives you some 30 seconds before timing out and giving you an error message? It makes me wonder if distributed computing could come to the rescue. I can volunteer a VM or MySQL server from my computer if need be; If you did that you'd probably distribute out say older archived data (everything from 2011 and before); since if you did that you could distribute it to as many alternate servers as you want. Course if it's all the 2012's present data that is giving us the problem, then it wouldn't help by much :P I think I can also set up access to a MySql server on a public website that could be used as well, or get web service for about $1 for a year. It's an option...
May 14 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Dmitry Olshansky <dmitry.olsh gmail.com> writes:
On 03.05.2012 18:50, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Just letting you all know we're working on the frustrating and
 increasingly frequent "Load at xx.xx, try again later" errors when
 reading this forum through NNTP. They are caused by a significant growth
 spurt in newsgroup readership that occurred in recent times. We are
 working with our provider to fix these issues.

Still here. My observation is that there were 2 problems. One usually involved some nonsense like with 4 digit numbers "in-watch load 20xx gt 2000" (or simillar) - it is now seemingly gone. Second one shows XX.X number which I derive for load factor (num of processes in queue / num of CPUS). Doubtful conclusion: configuration is fixed, resources are not there yet(?). -- Dmitry Olshansky
May 14 2012
prev sibling parent Mirko Pilger <pilger cymotec.de> writes:
 They are caused by a significant growth spurt in newsgroup readership
 that occurred in recent times.

a possible solution could include to encourage more people on this newsgroup to learn how to quote. :)
May 14 2012