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reply bobef <be lessequal_dontspam.com> writes:
This is not really a D problem but still. The new newsgroup web 
interface is useless (IMO of course). It is impossible to follow a 
thread (no thread view even). It looks better than the old one (colors 
and stuff) but whats point if it is unusable...
Dec 04 2006
next sibling parent reply Daniel Keep <daniel.keep+lists gmail.com> writes:
bobef wrote:
 This is not really a D problem but still. The new newsgroup web 
 interface is useless (IMO of course). It is impossible to follow a 
 thread (no thread view even). It looks better than the old one (colors 
 and stuff) but whats point if it is unusable...

You use the web interface? I keep forgetting it even exists :P Is there any particular reason you can't use a proper NNTP client? -- Daniel
Dec 04 2006
parent Nahon <lburger hu.tesco-europe.com> writes:
Daniel Keep wrote:
You use the web interface?  I keep forgetting it even exists :P  Is
there any particular reason you can't use a proper NNTP client?

For me it's the HTTP proxy of the firm I work for. :(
Dec 04 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Alexander Panek <a.panek brainsware.org> writes:
It's a nice interface for viewing posts, but not for following threads, 
I have to agree there. Though, I haven't seen any good (as in covering 
all the nasty stuff NNTP clients do cover) web interface, yet, anyways. :\

Maybe we should code one in D as soon as it gets available for web 
development. :P

bobef wrote:
 This is not really a D problem but still. The new newsgroup web 
 interface is useless (IMO of course). It is impossible to follow a 
 thread (no thread view even). It looks better than the old one (colors 
 and stuff) but whats point if it is unusable...

Dec 04 2006
next sibling parent reply Pragma <ericanderton yahoo.removeme.com> writes:
Alexander Panek wrote:
 It's a nice interface for viewing posts, but not for following threads, 
 I have to agree there. Though, I haven't seen any good (as in covering 
 all the nasty stuff NNTP clients do cover) web interface, yet, anyways. :\

There are some decent ones written in PHP, but they do lack something in terms of interface. Honestly, I'm flabbergasted that nobody out there has thought to write a cron-job that just reconciles NNTP activity against a web-forum database (like PHPBB).
 Maybe we should code one in D as soon as it gets available for web 
 development. :P

Once I have the right tools in place, I wouldn't mind making a shot at it. But that's going to be a long while. Regardless, one thing that *is* needed is a solid NNTP handling package written in D. Any takers? -- - EricAnderton at yahoo
Dec 04 2006
parent reply BCS <BCS pathlink.com> writes:
Pragma wrote:
 Alexander Panek wrote:
 
 It's a nice interface for viewing posts, but not for following 
 threads, I have to agree there. Though, I haven't seen any good (as in 
 covering all the nasty stuff NNTP clients do cover) web interface, 
 yet, anyways. :\

There are some decent ones written in PHP, but they do lack something in terms of interface. Honestly, I'm flabbergasted that nobody out there has thought to write a cron-job that just reconciles NNTP activity against a web-forum database (like PHPBB).
 Maybe we should code one in D as soon as it gets available for web 
 development. :P

Once I have the right tools in place, I wouldn't mind making a shot at it. But that's going to be a long while. Regardless, one thing that *is* needed is a solid NNTP handling package written in D. Any takers?

I've got a start at one. It's far from complete but it can grab headers and bodies. I'll find the code and host it somewhere if anyone is interested. It's part of a CGI system that builds web pages from NNTP but has less functionality than even the archives pages.
Dec 04 2006
parent Walter Bright <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
BCS wrote:
 It's part of a CGI system that builds web pages from NNTP but has less 
 functionality than even the archives pages.

I'd be happy to donate the D program that builds the archive pages to anyone who wants to build a better interface. It's an ugly, hackish program, but it gets the job done.
Dec 04 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Mike Capp <mike.capp gmail.com> writes:
Alexander Panek wrote:
 It's a nice interface for viewing posts, but not
 for following threads, I have to agree there.

Also fairly horrible for posting. (Nonresizeable popup, no tabbing, messed up quoting, no form field memory). Though the real PITA IMHO is the complete lack of any search facility. Google Groups is pretty good, but I don't think it supports NNTP for user-created groups, which is swinging way too far back the other way. It ought to be possible to get Google to publish this group through Groups - it's much higher volume than many of the official Usenet groups it covers - but I don't know how you'd go about it.
Dec 04 2006
parent Walter Bright <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
Mike Capp wrote:
 It ought to be possible to get Google to publish this group through Groups -
it's
 much higher volume than many of the official Usenet groups it covers - but I
don't
 know how you'd go about it.

I've repeatedly submitted it to Google to no avail. On the other hand, being ignored by Google also means we are largely ignored by spammers. I frankly prefer it that way.
Dec 04 2006
prev sibling parent Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Walter Bright wrote:
 
 Mike Capp wrote:
 It ought to be possible to get Google to publish this group through Groups -
 it's
 much higher volume than many of the official Usenet groups it covers - but I
 don't
 know how you'd go about it.

I've repeatedly submitted it to Google to no avail. On the other hand, being ignored by Google also means we are largely ignored by spammers. I frankly prefer it that way.

Google does index the archives off my mailing list. I've setup a search box that restricts the search to lists.puremagic.com, so it's fairly narrow: http://lists.puremagic.com/ On my todo list for those pages, in no particular order: - narrow the search to the appropriate list - add the standard 'The D Programming Language' verbage - attempt to backfill the data (anyone have all the posts for all the lists in mbox format?) Later, Brad
Dec 04 2006
prev sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
bobef wrote:
 This is not really a D problem but still. The new newsgroup web 
 interface is useless (IMO of course). It is impossible to follow a 
 thread (no thread view even). It looks better than the old one (colors 
 and stuff) but whats point if it is unusable...

I know it stinks. But it's the only one that is (1) free and (2) works on a 64 bit BSD unix box (what the server is on). The old one we used on the 32 bit BSD box wasn't that good, either. I can't believe it's that hard to write a decent one.
Dec 04 2006
parent reply bobef <be lessequal_dontspam.com> writes:
After a fast sf.net search:

http://web-news.sourceforge.net/
demo here:
https://intranet.cs.hku.hk/services/webnews/newsgroups.php

looks good and I believe PHP is supported on any OS


Walter Bright wrote:
 bobef wrote:
 This is not really a D problem but still. The new newsgroup web 
 interface is useless (IMO of course). It is impossible to follow a 
 thread (no thread view even). It looks better than the old one (colors 
 and stuff) but whats point if it is unusable...

I know it stinks. But it's the only one that is (1) free and (2) works on a 64 bit BSD unix box (what the server is on). The old one we used on the 32 bit BSD box wasn't that good, either. I can't believe it's that hard to write a decent one.

Dec 04 2006
next sibling parent Pragma <ericanderton yahoo.removeme.com> writes:
bobef wrote:
 After a fast sf.net search:
 
 http://web-news.sourceforge.net/
 demo here:
 https://intranet.cs.hku.hk/services/webnews/newsgroups.php
 
 looks good and I believe PHP is supported on any OS
 
 
 Walter Bright wrote:
 bobef wrote:
 This is not really a D problem but still. The new newsgroup web 
 interface is useless (IMO of course). It is impossible to follow a 
 thread (no thread view even). It looks better than the old one 
 (colors and stuff) but whats point if it is unusable...

I know it stinks. But it's the only one that is (1) free and (2) works on a 64 bit BSD unix box (what the server is on). The old one we used on the 32 bit BSD box wasn't that good, either. I can't believe it's that hard to write a decent one.


Nice! It even functions as an RSS portal. -- - EricAnderton at yahoo
Dec 04 2006
prev sibling parent reply Justin C Calvarese <technocrat7 gmail.com> writes:
bobef wrote:
 After a fast sf.net search:
 
 http://web-news.sourceforge.net/
 demo here:
 https://intranet.cs.hku.hk/services/webnews/newsgroups.php
 
 looks good and I believe PHP is supported on any OS

Cool! I tried installing it on my local Apache server (that I used for testing). It was easy to install, and it seems to work like a charm.
 Walter Bright wrote:
 bobef wrote:
 This is not really a D problem but still. The new newsgroup web 
 interface is useless (IMO of course). It is impossible to follow a 
 thread (no thread view even). It looks better than the old one 
 (colors and stuff) but whats point if it is unusable...

I know it stinks. But it's the only one that is (1) free and (2) works on a 64 bit BSD unix box (what the server is on). The old one we used on the 32 bit BSD box wasn't that good, either. I can't believe it's that hard to write a decent one.


-- jcc7
Dec 04 2006
parent jcc7 <technocrat7 gmail.com> writes:
Justin C Calvarese Wrote:

 bobef wrote:
 After a fast sf.net search:
 
 http://web-news.sourceforge.net/
 demo here:
 https://intranet.cs.hku.hk/services/webnews/newsgroups.php
 
 looks good and I believe PHP is supported on any OS

Cool! I tried installing it on my local Apache server (that I used for testing). It was easy to install, and it seems to work like a charm.

(I can even use it to reply to another post if this post goes through...)
 
 Walter Bright wrote:
 bobef wrote:
 This is not really a D problem but still. The new newsgroup web 
 interface is useless (IMO of course). It is impossible to follow a 
 thread (no thread view even). It looks better than the old one 
 (colors and stuff) but whats point if it is unusable...

I know it stinks. But it's the only one that is (1) free and (2) works on a 64 bit BSD unix box (what the server is on). The old one we used on the 32 bit BSD box wasn't that good, either. I can't believe it's that hard to write a decent one.


-- jcc7

Dec 04 2006