digitalmars.D - Enabling data-oriented design
- Joakim (10/10) Dec 18 2016 I was looking at the most popular videos from CppCon and the
- Stefan Koch (7/17) Dec 18 2016 I would not be too sure that this is something the language can
- Joakim (11/31) Dec 18 2016 Hmm, looks like I pasted a link to the wrong CppCon video, here's
- Darren Fielding (5/26) Dec 18 2016 This is something I'm interested in, too. If you haven't seen
I was looking at the most popular videos from CppCon and the second-most popular from the last three years is the one on data-oriented design: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1OEu9C51K2A The wikipedia page has a summary, basically focusing on cache effects more, with links to articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data-oriented_design Obviously the effects of cache are well-known here and other places that focus on performance, but maybe there's more we can do to enable this paradigm in the language.
Dec 18 2016
On Sunday, 18 December 2016 at 14:22:29 UTC, Joakim wrote:I was looking at the most popular videos from CppCon and the second-most popular from the last three years is the one on data-oriented design: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1OEu9C51K2A The wikipedia page has a summary, basically focusing on cache effects more, with links to articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data-oriented_design Obviously the effects of cache are well-known here and other places that focus on performance, but maybe there's more we can do to enable this paradigm in the language.I would not be too sure that this is something the language can help with. It is more a question of the right tools. And In theory features like mixins, introspection and property functions should make it possible to profile your memory-access patterns in a nice way.
Dec 18 2016
On Sunday, 18 December 2016 at 14:58:53 UTC, Stefan Koch wrote:On Sunday, 18 December 2016 at 14:22:29 UTC, Joakim wrote:Hmm, looks like I pasted a link to the wrong CppCon video, here's the one on data-oriented design: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rX0ItVEVjHcI was looking at the most popular videos from CppCon and the second-most popular from the last three years is the one on data-oriented design: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1OEu9C51K2AOne of the arguments for DOD in the WP link and elsewhere is that typically OOP-heavy code, as you see in much game programming, is not conducive to this type of design. To the extent someone is using D's OOP features heavily, they will run into this too. I would imagine ranges are very conducive to the DOD approach, so it's not like D doesn't support it. The question is whether we can support this design trend more.The wikipedia page has a summary, basically focusing on cache effects more, with links to articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data-oriented_design Obviously the effects of cache are well-known here and other places that focus on performance, but maybe there's more we can do to enable this paradigm in the language.I would not be too sure that this is something the language can help with. It is more a question of the right tools. And In theory features like mixins, introspection and property functions should make it possible to profile your memory-access patterns in a nice way.
Dec 18 2016
Darren Fielding <darren.fielding hotmail.co.uk> On Sunday, 18 December 2016 at 16:06:38 UTC, Joakim wrote:On Sunday, 18 December 2016 at 14:58:53 UTC, Stefan Koch wrote:This is something I'm interested in, too. If you haven't seen them already, Jonathan Blow has videos showing his development of Jai, a language focused on DOD. I would love to see some support or tutorials of DOD in D.On Sunday, 18 December 2016 at 14:22:29 UTC, Joakim wrote:Hmm, looks like I pasted a link to the wrong CppCon video, here's the one on data-oriented design: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rX0ItVEVjHc[...]One of the arguments for DOD in the WP link and elsewhere is that typically OOP-heavy code, as you see in much game programming, is not conducive to this type of design. To the extent someone is using D's OOP features heavily, they will run into this too. I would imagine ranges are very conducive to the DOD approach, so it's not like D doesn't support it. The question is whether we can support this design trend more.[...]I would not be too sure that this is something the language can help with. It is more a question of the right tools. And In theory features like mixins, introspection and property functions should make it possible to profile your memory-access patterns in a nice way.
Dec 18 2016