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reply Manu <turkeyman gmail.com> writes:
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So I'm trying to find windows binaries for GDC and LDC...

First place I look is dlang.org/download. Appears to be for DMD... keep
looking.

I look at the GDC/LDC wiki pages. No links to binaries anywhere.
GDC and LDC home pages... no links to binaries.
Github doesn't host binaries anymore...

Where are they?

Turns out there are links to the GDC binaries (hosted on bitbucket) on
dlang.org/download.
...I didn't previously notice they were there, never scrolled down far
enough. The impression you get from the top of the page is that
dlang.orgis just DMD related, and I quickly dismissed it previously
_<

But there's still no LDC binary there... where is it? This needs to be fixed. You can argue I'm retarded and ignorant, but as an end user, it should take me no more than 5 seconds to find the download button. I suggest, on the front page of dlang.org, there should be a MASSIVE button: "DOWNLOAD D COMPILERS", and the download page should be tweaked to be more obviously compiler agnostic. D1 and DMC consume an unreasonable amount of realestate, hiding GDC/LDC (surely basically nobody is looking for those?), perhaps they should be reduced to small test links with the other links down the bottom of the page? This will allow room to present GDC and LDC without scrolling. And why is there no LDC binary? --001a11c2f63a3c3ade04e480975a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">So I&#39;m trying to find windows binaries for GDC and LDC= ...<div><br></div><div>First place I look is <a href=3D"http://dlang.org/do= wnload">dlang.org/download</a>. Appears to be for DMD... keep looking.</div=

re.</div><div>GDC and LDC home pages... no links to binaries.</div><div>Git= hub doesn&#39;t host binaries anymore...</div><div><br></div><div>Where are= they?</div> <div><br></div><div>Turns out there are links to the GDC binaries (hosted o= n bitbucket) on <a href=3D"http://dlang.org/download">dlang.org/download</a=
.</div><div>...I didn&#39;t previously notice they were there, never scrol=

t <a href=3D"http://dlang.org">dlang.org</a> is just DMD related, and I qui= ckly dismissed it previously &gt;_&lt;<br> </div><div><br></div><div>But there&#39;s still no LDC binary there... wher= e is it?<br></div><div><br></div><div>This needs to be fixed. You can argue= I&#39;m retarded and ignorant, but as an end user, it should take me no mo= re than 5 seconds to find the download button.</div> <div><br></div><div>I suggest, on the front page of <a href=3D"http://dlang= .org">dlang.org</a>, there should be a MASSIVE button: &quot;DOWNLOAD D COM= PILERS&quot;, and the download page should be tweaked to be more obviously = compiler agnostic.</div> <div><br></div><div>D1 and DMC consume an unreasonable amount of realestate= , hiding GDC/LDC (surely basically nobody is looking for those?), perhaps t= hey should be reduced to small test links with the other links down the bot= tom of the page?</div> <div>This will allow room to present GDC and LDC without scrolling.</div><d= iv><br></div><div>And why is there no LDC binary?</div></div></div> --001a11c2f63a3c3ade04e480975a--
Aug 21 2013
next sibling parent reply "Brad Anderson" <eco gnuk.net> writes:
On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 03:07:39 UTC, Manu wrote:
 So I'm trying to find windows binaries for GDC and LDC...

 First place I look is dlang.org/download. Appears to be for 
 DMD... keep
 looking.

 I look at the GDC/LDC wiki pages. No links to binaries anywhere.
 GDC and LDC home pages... no links to binaries.
 Github doesn't host binaries anymore...

 Where are they?

 Turns out there are links to the GDC binaries (hosted on 
 bitbucket) on
 dlang.org/download.
 ...I didn't previously notice they were there, never scrolled 
 down far
 enough. The impression you get from the top of the page is that
 dlang.orgis just DMD related, and I quickly dismissed it 
 previously
_<

But there's still no LDC binary there... where is it? This needs to be fixed. You can argue I'm retarded and ignorant, but as an end user, it should take me no more than 5 seconds to find the download button. I suggest, on the front page of dlang.org, there should be a MASSIVE button: "DOWNLOAD D COMPILERS", and the download page should be tweaked to be more obviously compiler agnostic. D1 and DMC consume an unreasonable amount of realestate, hiding GDC/LDC (surely basically nobody is looking for those?), perhaps they should be reduced to small test links with the other links down the bottom of the page? This will allow room to present GDC and LDC without scrolling. And why is there no LDC binary?

I tried to fix some of these problems here[1]. Maybe someone can take what I did and fix it up enough to be used. 1. https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/304
Aug 21 2013
next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-08-22 05:33, Manu wrote:

 I was also briefly confused by the 32bit/64bit scattered everywhere. My
 initial assumption was that it specified the toolchain's target
 architecture :/
 But since it's the compiler's host arch, I'd say that for Windows where
 32bit binaries will run on any version of windows and no 64bit binary is
 offered, and OSX which has only ever been 64bit, there's no need to
 write it for those platforms. It's just confusing.

The architecture are basically never mentioned for Mac OS X downloads. Because everyone assumes universal binaries that will work everywhere. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Aug 22 2013
parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-08-22 16:01, Manu wrote:

 ... what?
 Isn't that what I just said?
 Did you actually look at Brad's page upgrade?

No, you said it doesn't need to be mentioned since it's only been released as 64bit. I was referring to, that in general, most open source projects, like D, don't mention the architecture for Mac OS X. Either it's a universal binary working on all platforms or it's a 32bit binary, works everywhere as well, or it's a 64bit binary because all Mac these days can run 64bit binaries. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Aug 22 2013
prev sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-08-22 06:28, Tyler Jameson Little wrote:

 Why not sniff the platform? I think Firefox & Dart websites do this.
 This can be retrieved with navigator.platform:
 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/window.navigator.platform

 Of course, the others should be easily accessible.

Or just using the user agent, since it has to work on all major browsers. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Aug 22 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Manu <turkeyman gmail.com> writes:
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On 22 August 2013 13:18, Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> wrote:

 On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 03:07:39 UTC, Manu wrote:

 So I'm trying to find windows binaries for GDC and LDC...

 First place I look is dlang.org/download. Appears to be for DMD... keep
 looking.

 I look at the GDC/LDC wiki pages. No links to binaries anywhere.
 GDC and LDC home pages... no links to binaries.
 Github doesn't host binaries anymore...

 Where are they?

 Turns out there are links to the GDC binaries (hosted on bitbucket) on
 dlang.org/download.
 ...I didn't previously notice they were there, never scrolled down far
 enough. The impression you get from the top of the page is that
 dlang.orgis just DMD related, and I quickly dismissed it previously

  _<

But there's still no LDC binary there... where is it? This needs to be fixed. You can argue I'm retarded and ignorant, but as an end user, it should take me no more than 5 seconds to find the download button. I suggest, on the front page of dlang.org, there should be a MASSIVE button: "DOWNLOAD D COMPILERS", and the download page should be tweaked to be more obviously compiler agnostic. D1 and DMC consume an unreasonable amount of realestate, hiding GDC/LDC (surely basically nobody is looking for those?), perhaps they should be reduced to small test links with the other links down the bottom of the page? This will allow room to present GDC and LDC without scrolling. And why is there no LDC binary?

I tried to fix some of these problems here[1]. Maybe someone can take what I did and fix it up enough to be used. 1. https://github.com/D-**Programming-Language/dlang.**org/pull/304<https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/304>

Definitely an improvement! Although if I were to be critical, I'd say when scrolling the page, I find the almost random layout of the bright red buttons scattered all over the place to be rather overwhelming. I was also briefly confused by the 32bit/64bit scattered everywhere. My initial assumption was that it specified the toolchain's target architecture :/ But since it's the compiler's host arch, I'd say that for Windows where 32bit binaries will run on any version of windows and no 64bit binary is offered, and OSX which has only ever been 64bit, there's no need to write it for those platforms. It's just confusing. --001a11c2275eae314004e480f304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">On 22 August 2013 13:18, Brad Anderson <span dir=3D"ltr">&= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eco gnuk.net" target=3D"_blank">eco gnuk.net</a>&gt;</= span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><bloc= kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc= c solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class=3D"im">On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 03:07:39 UTC, Manu wrote:<= br> </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l= eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"> So I&#39;m trying to find windows binaries for GDC and LDC...<br> <br> First place I look is <a href=3D"http://dlang.org/download" target=3D"_blan= k">dlang.org/download</a>. Appears to be for DMD... keep<br> looking.<br> <br> I look at the GDC/LDC wiki pages. No links to binaries anywhere.<br> GDC and LDC home pages... no links to binaries.<br> Github doesn&#39;t host binaries anymore...<br> <br> Where are they?<br> <br> Turns out there are links to the GDC binaries (hosted on bitbucket) on<br> <a href=3D"http://dlang.org/download" target=3D"_blank">dlang.org/download<= /a>.<br> ...I didn&#39;t previously notice they were there, never scrolled down far<= br> enough. The impression you get from the top of the page is that<br></div> dlang.orgis just DMD related, and I quickly dismissed it previously<div cla= ss=3D"im"><br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> _&lt;<br> </blockquote> <br> But there&#39;s still no LDC binary there... where is it?<br> <br> This needs to be fixed. You can argue I&#39;m retarded and ignorant, but as= an<br> end user, it should take me no more than 5 seconds to find the download<br> button.<br> <br> I suggest, on the front page of <a href=3D"http://dlang.org" target=3D"_bla= nk">dlang.org</a>, there should be a MASSIVE<br> button: &quot;DOWNLOAD D COMPILERS&quot;, and the download page should be t= weaked to<br> be more obviously compiler agnostic.<br> <br> D1 and DMC consume an unreasonable amount of realestate, hiding GDC/LDC<br> (surely basically nobody is looking for those?), perhaps they should be<br> reduced to small test links with the other links down the bottom of the<br> page?<br> This will allow room to present GDC and LDC without scrolling.<br> <br> And why is there no LDC binary?<br> </div></blockquote> <br> I tried to fix some of these problems here[1]. =C2=A0Maybe someone can take= what I did and fix it up enough to be used.<br> <br> 1. <a href=3D"https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/304"= target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/D-<u></u>Programming-Language/dlang.<= u></u>org/pull/304</a><br> </blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Definitely an impro= vement!</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Although if I were to be critical, = I&#39;d say when scrolling the page, I find the almost random layout of the= bright red buttons scattered all over the place to be rather overwhelming.= <br> </div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I was= also briefly confused by the 32bit/64bit scattered everywhere. My initial = assumption was that it specified the toolchain&#39;s target architecture :/= </div> <div class=3D"gmail_extra">But since it&#39;s the compiler&#39;s host arch,= I&#39;d say that for Windows where 32bit binaries will run on any version = of windows and no 64bit binary is offered, and OSX which has only ever been= 64bit, there&#39;s no need to write it for those platforms. It&#39;s just = confusing.</div> </div> --001a11c2275eae314004e480f304--
Aug 21 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Tyler Jameson Little" <beatgammit gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 03:07:39 UTC, Manu wrote:
 So I'm trying to find windows binaries for GDC and LDC...

 First place I look is dlang.org/download. Appears to be for 
 DMD... keep
 looking.

 I look at the GDC/LDC wiki pages. No links to binaries anywhere.
 GDC and LDC home pages... no links to binaries.
 Github doesn't host binaries anymore...

 Where are they?

 Turns out there are links to the GDC binaries (hosted on 
 bitbucket) on
 dlang.org/download.
 ...I didn't previously notice they were there, never scrolled 
 down far
 enough. The impression you get from the top of the page is that
 dlang.orgis just DMD related, and I quickly dismissed it 
 previously
_<


Also, where's the Linux (FreeBSD?, Mac OS X?) downloads for GDC? I get it through my package manager, but it seems there should be a download for it as well. If not a binary, then at least a tar.gz...
 But there's still no LDC binary there... where is it?

 This needs to be fixed. You can argue I'm retarded and 
 ignorant, but as an
 end user, it should take me no more than 5 seconds to find the 
 download
 button.

Agreed. Some may not be as persistent as you...
 I suggest, on the front page of dlang.org, there should be a 
 MASSIVE
 button: "DOWNLOAD D COMPILERS", and the download page should be 
 tweaked to
 be more obviously compiler agnostic.

I'm not too sure about this. DMD is the reference compiler, so people should be using that for learning, then graduate to GDC or LDC if they need something faster.
 D1 and DMC consume an unreasonable amount of realestate, hiding 
 GDC/LDC
 (surely basically nobody is looking for those?), perhaps they 
 should be
 reduced to small test links with the other links down the 
 bottom of the
 page?
 This will allow room to present GDC and LDC without scrolling.

+1 Do we really want D1 compilers that easily accessable? I assume everyone relying on them already has a copy, and even if they need another, they can click on an "Archive" link or something...
 And why is there no LDC binary?

Aug 21 2013
parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-08-22 05:37, Tyler Jameson Little wrote:

 Also, where's the Linux (FreeBSD?, Mac OS X?) downloads for GDC? I get
 it through my package manager, but it seems there should be a download
 for it as well. If not a binary, then at least a tar.gz...

I don't think there have ever been any self contained packages for Posix with binaries for GDC. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Aug 22 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Manu <turkeyman gmail.com> writes:
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On 22 August 2013 13:37, Tyler Jameson Little <beatgammit gmail.com> wrote:

 On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 03:07:39 UTC, Manu wrote:

 But there's still no LDC binary there... where is it?

 This needs to be fixed. You can argue I'm retarded and ignorant, but as an
 end user, it should take me no more than 5 seconds to find the download
 button.

Agreed. Some may not be as persistent as you...

Most, I'd imagine. Especially if they're a new user (the most important kind!) who don't have a vested interest in D. I suggest, on the front page of dlang.org, there should be a MASSIVE
 button: "DOWNLOAD D COMPILERS", and the download page should be tweaked to
 be more obviously compiler agnostic.

I'm not too sure about this. DMD is the reference compiler, so people should be using that for learning, then graduate to GDC or LDC if they need something faster.

So put it first, but the others should be visible. The other compilers need to be used. How will people find/report bugs if they don't use them? I've also heard many argue that LDC should be the reference compiler. And I'm inclined to agree. Either way, they need prominent placement so people know they exist, and they get tested. --e89a8ff250bebdf61604e481244b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">On 22 August 2013 13:37, Tyler Jameson Little <span dir=3D= "ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:beatgammit gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">beatgam= mit gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div clas= s=3D"gmail_quote"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Thursday, 22 August 201= 3 at 03:07:39 UTC, Manu wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">But there&#39;s still no LDC binary there...= where is it?<br></blockquote></div><div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"= gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-= left:1ex"> <br> This needs to be fixed. You can argue I&#39;m retarded and ignorant, but as= an<br> end user, it should take me no more than 5 seconds to find the download<br> button.<br> </blockquote> <br></div> Agreed. Some may not be as persistent as you...</blockquote><div><br></div>= <div>Most, I&#39;d imagine. Especially if they&#39;re a new user (the most = important kind!) who don&#39;t have a vested interest in D.</div><div> <br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:= 0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I suggest, on the front page of <a href=3D"http://dlang.org" target=3D"_bla= nk">dlang.org</a>, there should be a MASSIVE<br> button: &quot;DOWNLOAD D COMPILERS&quot;, and the download page should be t= weaked to<br> be more obviously compiler agnostic.<br> </blockquote> <br></div> I&#39;m not too sure about this. DMD is the reference compiler, so people s= hould be using that for learning, then graduate to GDC or LDC if they need = something faster.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>So put it first, but the = others should be visible.</div> <div>The other compilers need to be used. How will people find/report bugs = if they don&#39;t use them?</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve also heard ma= ny argue that LDC should be the reference compiler. And I&#39;m inclined to= agree.</div> <div>Either way, they need prominent placement so people know they exist, a= nd they get tested.</div></div></div></div> --e89a8ff250bebdf61604e481244b--
Aug 21 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Tyler Jameson Little" <beatgammit gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 03:33:38 UTC, Manu wrote:
 On 22 August 2013 13:18, Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> wrote:

 On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 03:07:39 UTC, Manu wrote:

 So I'm trying to find windows binaries for GDC and LDC...

 First place I look is dlang.org/download. Appears to be for 
 DMD... keep
 looking.

 I look at the GDC/LDC wiki pages. No links to binaries 
 anywhere.
 GDC and LDC home pages... no links to binaries.
 Github doesn't host binaries anymore...

 Where are they?

 Turns out there are links to the GDC binaries (hosted on 
 bitbucket) on
 dlang.org/download.
 ...I didn't previously notice they were there, never scrolled 
 down far
 enough. The impression you get from the top of the page is 
 that
 dlang.orgis just DMD related, and I quickly dismissed it 
 previously

  _<

But there's still no LDC binary there... where is it? This needs to be fixed. You can argue I'm retarded and ignorant, but as an end user, it should take me no more than 5 seconds to find the download button. I suggest, on the front page of dlang.org, there should be a MASSIVE button: "DOWNLOAD D COMPILERS", and the download page should be tweaked to be more obviously compiler agnostic. D1 and DMC consume an unreasonable amount of realestate, hiding GDC/LDC (surely basically nobody is looking for those?), perhaps they should be reduced to small test links with the other links down the bottom of the page? This will allow room to present GDC and LDC without scrolling. And why is there no LDC binary?

I tried to fix some of these problems here[1]. Maybe someone can take what I did and fix it up enough to be used. 1. https://github.com/D-**Programming-Language/dlang.**org/pull/304<https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/304>

Definitely an improvement! Although if I were to be critical, I'd say when scrolling the page, I find the almost random layout of the bright red buttons scattered all over the place to be rather overwhelming. I was also briefly confused by the 32bit/64bit scattered everywhere. My initial assumption was that it specified the toolchain's target architecture :/ But since it's the compiler's host arch, I'd say that for Windows where 32bit binaries will run on any version of windows and no 64bit binary is offered, and OSX which has only ever been 64bit, there's no need to write it for those platforms. It's just confusing.

Why not sniff the platform? I think Firefox & Dart websites do this. This can be retrieved with navigator.platform: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/window.navigator.platform Of course, the others should be easily accessible.
Aug 21 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-08-22 05:07, Manu wrote:

 Where are they?

 Turns out there are links to the GDC binaries (hosted on bitbucket) on
 dlang.org/download <http://dlang.org/download>.
 ...I didn't previously notice they were there, never scrolled down far
 enough. The impression you get from the top of the page is that
 dlang.org <http://dlang.org> is just DMD related, and I quickly
 dismissed it previously >_<

I had no idea there were GDC binaries on http://dlang.org/download.html
 But there's still no LDC binary there... where is it?

I don't know if they were recently added but they are below the GDC binaries.
 This needs to be fixed. You can argue I'm retarded and ignorant, but as
 an end user, it should take me no more than 5 seconds to find the
 download button.

 I suggest, on the front page of dlang.org <http://dlang.org>, there
 should be a MASSIVE button: "DOWNLOAD D COMPILERS", and the download
 page should be tweaked to be more obviously compiler agnostic.

I agree. At the top, of the download page there should be three buttons, one for each compiler. Then JavaScript should be used to figure out the platform. Of course we need a fallback for when JavaScript is disabled or one wants to download for a different platform. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Aug 22 2013
parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-08-22 16:04, Manu wrote:

 Can't see any. I can only see binaries for platforms that nobody uses ;)

I didn't see you mention any platform in the post I replied to ;) -- /Jacob Carlborg
Aug 22 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Wyatt" <wyatt.epp gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 03:38:26 UTC, Tyler Jameson Little 
wrote:
 Do we really want D1 compilers that easily accessable?

Considering D1 has an entire site of its own[0], why are they even there? Move them to where they belong with a BIG RED BANNER saying they're EOL and an "are you sure you want this?" confirmation to download them. -Wyatt [0] http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/
Aug 22 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Manu <turkeyman gmail.com> writes:
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On 22 August 2013 17:33, Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> wrote:

 On 2013-08-22 05:33, Manu wrote:

  I was also briefly confused by the 32bit/64bit scattered everywhere. My
 initial assumption was that it specified the toolchain's target
 architecture :/
 But since it's the compiler's host arch, I'd say that for Windows where
 32bit binaries will run on any version of windows and no 64bit binary is
 offered, and OSX which has only ever been 64bit, there's no need to
 write it for those platforms. It's just confusing.

The architecture are basically never mentioned for Mac OS X downloads. Because everyone assumes universal binaries that will work everywhere.

... what? Isn't that what I just said? Did you actually look at Brad's page upgrade? --089e013a2c6a1c002504e489bb7c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">On 22 August 2013 17:33, Jacob Carlborg <span dir=3D"ltr">= &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:doob me.com" target=3D"_blank">doob me.com</a>&gt;</s= pan> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><block= quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc= solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class=3D"im">On 2013-08-22 05:33, Manu wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I was also briefly confused by the 32bit/64bit scattered everywhere. My<br> initial assumption was that it specified the toolchain&#39;s target<br> architecture :/<br> But since it&#39;s the compiler&#39;s host arch, I&#39;d say that for Windo= ws where<br> 32bit binaries will run on any version of windows and no 64bit binary is<br=

write it for those platforms. It&#39;s just confusing.<br> </blockquote> <br></div> The architecture are basically never mentioned for Mac OS X downloads. Beca= use everyone assumes universal binaries that will work everywhere.</blockqu= ote><div><br></div><div>... what?</div><div>Isn&#39;t that what I just said= ?</div> <div>Did you actually look at Brad&#39;s page upgrade?</div></div></div></d= iv> --089e013a2c6a1c002504e489bb7c--
Aug 22 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Manu <turkeyman gmail.com> writes:
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On 22 August 2013 17:32, Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> wrote:

 On 2013-08-22 05:07, Manu wrote:

 But there's still no LDC binary there... where is it?

I don't know if they were recently added but they are below the GDC binaries.

Can't see any. I can only see binaries for platforms that nobody uses ;) --e89a8f50378e2ec28204e489c3df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">On 22 August 2013 17:32, Jacob Carlborg <span dir=3D"ltr">= &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:doob me.com" target=3D"_blank">doob me.com</a>&gt;</s= pan> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><block= quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc= solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class=3D"im">On 2013-08-22 05:07, Manu wrote:<br> <br> </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l= eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">But there&#39;s stil= l no LDC binary there... where is it?<br></div></blockquote><div class=3D"i= m"> <br></div> I don&#39;t know if they were recently added but they are below the GDC bin= aries.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can&#39;t see any. I can only se= e binaries for platforms that nobody uses ;)</div></div></div></div> --e89a8f50378e2ec28204e489c3df--
Aug 22 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "David Nadlinger" <code klickverbot.at> writes:
On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 03:07:39 UTC, Manu wrote:
 And why is there no LDC binary?

There are links to the LDC Linux/OS X binaries on the dlang.org download page. As for the Windows/MinGW32 binaries, the last LDC release does officially include them (see the release announcement), but the MinGW port is still very much in an alpha/beta state. For example, there is still at least one wrong-code issues with 80 bit reals, and the test suite does not completely pass yet. Somewhat contrary to GDC, in case of LDC there are actual released versions that are guaranteed to be stable to a certain extent (i.e. the test suite passes on all relevant systems, …), and I was afraid that prematurely advertising the relatively fresh MinGW port would draw a wrong picture of the overall quality. As the GDC/MinGW binaries are probably not more stable either, though, yet are linked on the dlang.org download page, I guess we should add the LDC MinGW link to the page as well, if maybe qualified with an "experimental" note. Another issue is that a fairly recent mingw-w64 snapshot is needed in addition to the LDC download for GCC (linker, libraries). Older ones don't have my necessary fixes yet, and I don't know if they have made it into the "original" MinGW (without -w64) project yet. What would be the best way to add this to the/a download page? In any case, you are right, the wiki.dlang.org/LDC "landing page" definitely needs to be either replaced with a proper homepage with download link auto-detection, …, or at least reorganized in such a way that the most important links for new users, users wanting to report bugs/… as well as developers are clearly presented at the top (the first link in the "Getting Started" section would have been what you were looking for). David
Aug 22 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Manu <turkeyman gmail.com> writes:
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On 23 August 2013 07:49, David Nadlinger <code klickverbot.at> wrote:

 On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 03:07:39 UTC, Manu wrote:

 And why is there no LDC binary?

There are links to the LDC Linux/OS X binaries on the dlang.org download page. As for the Windows/MinGW32 binaries, the last LDC release does officially include them (see the release announcement), but the MinGW port is still very much in an alpha/beta state.

Oh okay. Well it would definitely be worth writing that somewhere. I knew it worked (more-or-less) on Windows, I've built it from source before and created working code. But last time I used it there was still no Win64 exceptions. My thread is really about the experience as an end-user trying to get a working compiler; It shouldn't be hard. For example, there is still at least one wrong-code issues with 80 bit
 reals, and the test suite does not completely pass yet. Somewhat contrary
 to GDC, in case of LDC there are actual released versions that are
 guaranteed to be stable to a certain extent (i.e. the test suite passes o=

 all relevant systems, =E2=80=A6), and I was afraid that prematurely adver=

 relatively fresh MinGW port would draw a wrong picture of the overall
 quality.

I think people would appreciate this, but it's probably worth writing this clearly on the download page. A binary marked very clearly as alpha/beta, and perhaps a list of known issues might be nice for end users to access at a glance. As the GDC/MinGW binaries are probably not more stable either, though, yet
 are linked on the dlang.org download page, I guess we should add the LDC
 MinGW link to the page as well, if maybe qualified with an "experimental"
 note.

Mmm. Well, I can't make the GDC binaries work at all... there are missing dependencies. Another issue is that a fairly recent mingw-w64 snapshot is needed in
 addition to the LDC download for GCC (linker, libraries). Older ones don'=

 have my necessary fixes yet, and I don't know if they have made it into t=

 "original" MinGW (without -w64) project yet. What would be the best way t=

 add this to the/a download page?

Would it be better to produce a distribution package that includes the working mingw snapshot? It's quite annoying when a distro package has dependencies. I think Windows end-users aren't used to meticulous versioning like Linux users. Things like version numbers are rarely in the paths/filenames. The result of this is, they might already have a mingw on their system that they presume is fine (or don't know is fine), or may be reluctant to install another instance of a package they already have, thinking it's basically the same. Putting everything in the one package sounds more fool-proof to me. Just a thought that might be convenient for users would be if LDC and GDC collaborated on a single complete mingw package that included both GDC and LDC compilers... Perhaps annoying to maintain/coordinate, but I'd say at this point, most users will end out with both toolchains on their system anyway, and when you have multiple mingw installations on a machine, the PATH variable get's kinda awkward. --001a11c339e6a81d3d04e4922abb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">On 23 August 2013 07:49, David Nadlinger <span dir=3D"ltr"=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:code klickverbot.at" target=3D"_blank">code klickver=

ail_quote"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Thursday, 22 August 201= 3 at 03:07:39 UTC, Manu wrote:<br> </div><div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0= 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> And why is there no LDC binary?<br> </blockquote> <br></div> There are links to the LDC Linux/OS X binaries on the <a href=3D"http://dla= ng.org" target=3D"_blank">dlang.org</a> download page.<br> <br> As for the Windows/MinGW32 binaries, the last LDC release does officially i= nclude them (see the release announcement), but the MinGW port is still ver= y much in an alpha/beta state.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Oh okay.= Well it would definitely be worth writing that somewhere.</div> <div>I knew it worked (more-or-less) on Windows, I&#39;ve built it from sou= rce before and created working code. But last time I used it there was stil= l no Win64 exceptions.</div><div>My thread is really about the experience a= s an end-user trying to get a working compiler; It shouldn&#39;t be hard.</= div> <div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex= ;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> For example, there is still at least one wrong-code issues with 80 bit real= s, and the test suite does not completely pass yet. Somewhat contrary to GD= C, in case of LDC there are actual released versions that are guaranteed to= be stable to a certain extent (i.e. the test suite passes on all relevant = systems, =E2=80=A6), and I was afraid that prematurely advertising the rela= tively fresh MinGW port would draw a wrong picture of the overall quality.<= br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think people would appreciate this, but = it&#39;s probably worth writing this clearly on the download page.</div><di= v>A binary marked very clearly as alpha/beta, and perhaps a list of known i= ssues might be nice for end users to access at a glance.</div> <div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex= ;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> As the GDC/MinGW binaries are probably not more stable either, though, yet = are linked on the <a href=3D"http://dlang.org" target=3D"_blank">dlang.org<= /a> download page, I guess we should add the LDC MinGW link to the page as = well, if maybe qualified with an &quot;experimental&quot; note.<br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Mmm.</div><div>Well, I can&#39;t make the = GDC binaries work at all... there are missing dependencies.</div><div><br><= /div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le= ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Another issue is that a fairly recent mingw-w64 snapshot is needed in addit= ion to the LDC download for GCC (linker, libraries). Older ones don&#39;t h= ave my necessary fixes yet, and I don&#39;t know if they have made it into = the &quot;original&quot; MinGW (without -w64) project yet. What would be th= e best way to add this to the/a download page?<br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Would it be better to produce a distributi= on package that includes the working mingw snapshot? It&#39;s quite annoyin= g when a distro package has dependencies.</div><div>I think Windows end-use= rs aren&#39;t used to meticulous versioning like Linux users. Things like v= ersion numbers are rarely in the paths/filenames. The result of this is, th= ey might already have a mingw on their system that they presume is fine (or= don&#39;t know is fine), or may be reluctant to install another instance o= f a package they already have, thinking it&#39;s basically the same.</div> <div>Putting everything in the one package sounds more fool-proof to me.</d= iv><div><br></div><div>Just a thought that might be convenient for users wo= uld be if LDC and GDC collaborated on a single complete mingw package that = included both GDC and LDC compilers... Perhaps annoying to maintain/coordin= ate, but I&#39;d say at this point, most users will end out with both toolc= hains on their system anyway, and when you have multiple mingw installation= s on a machine, the PATH variable get&#39;s kinda awkward.</div> </div></div></div> --001a11c339e6a81d3d04e4922abb--
Aug 22 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Manu <turkeyman gmail.com> writes:
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On 23 August 2013 10:05, Manu <turkeyman gmail.com> wrote:

 On 23 August 2013 07:49, David Nadlinger <code klickverbot.at> wrote:

 On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 03:07:39 UTC, Manu wrote:

 And why is there no LDC binary?

There are links to the LDC Linux/OS X binaries on the dlang.org download page. As for the Windows/MinGW32 binaries, the last LDC release does officially include them (see the release announcement), but the MinGW port is still very much in an alpha/beta state.

Oh okay. Well it would definitely be worth writing that somewhere.

And by 'somewhere', I mean, somewhere along the standard download path: dlang.org -> dlang.org/download.html -> ??? .. and probably at the very top of the wiki where it's impossible to miss. Forum posts/blogs probably aren't the best location for critical end-user facing information :) --089e0149499241951f04e49377df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">On 23 August 2013 10:05, Manu <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre= f=3D"mailto:turkeyman gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">turkeyman gmail.com</a>&= gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im">On 23 August 2013 07:49, David Nadlinger= <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:code klickverbot.at" target=3D"_bl= ank">code klickverbot.at</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail= _extra"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 03:07:39= UTC, Manu wrote:<br> </div><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor= der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> And why is there no LDC binary?<br> </blockquote> <br></div> There are links to the LDC Linux/OS X binaries on the <a href=3D"http://dla= ng.org" target=3D"_blank">dlang.org</a> download page.<br> <br> As for the Windows/MinGW32 binaries, the last LDC release does officially i= nclude them (see the release announcement), but the MinGW port is still ver= y much in an alpha/beta state.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div> Oh okay. Well it would definitely be worth writing that somewhere.</div></d= iv></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And by &#39;somewhere&#39;,= I mean, somewhere along the standard download path: <a href=3D"http://dlan= g.org">dlang.org</a> -&gt; <a href=3D"http://dlang.org/download.html">dlang= .org/download.html</a> -&gt; ??? .. and probably at the very top of the wik= i where it&#39;s impossible to miss.</div> <div>Forum posts/blogs probably aren&#39;t the best location for critical e= nd-user facing information :)</div></div></div></div> --089e0149499241951f04e49377df--
Aug 22 2013
prev sibling parent "Tyler Jameson Little" <beatgammit gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 22 August 2013 at 07:34:09 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
 On 2013-08-22 06:28, Tyler Jameson Little wrote:

 Why not sniff the platform? I think Firefox & Dart websites do 
 this.
 This can be retrieved with navigator.platform:
 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/window.navigator.platform

 Of course, the others should be easily accessible.

Or just using the user agent, since it has to work on all major browsers.

Right, and doing it server-side would allow users with JS disabled to still be supported. Any support for this would be miles ahead of the current situation.
Aug 22 2013