digitalmars.D - D roadmap?
- Suliman (1/1) Jul 21 2013 Do team have any roadmap for D? I mean Language + standard lib.
- bearophile (4/5) Jul 21 2013 Nope, sorry.
- Vladimir Panteleev (8/9) Jul 21 2013 There's the "preapproved" tag for D's Bugzilla, which is used for
- Rob T (6/7) Jul 21 2013 There are the DIP's, which are not exactly a raodmap, but at
- Mr. Anonymous (2/9) Jul 21 2013 http://wiki.dlang.org/DIPs contains some description.
- Jesse Phillips (5/6) Jul 21 2013 No. This is becoming dated:
- bearophile (14/16) Jul 21 2013 That list contains many "Remove x" and "Remove y" but most of
- Joseph Rushton Wakeling (3/5) Jul 22 2013 What are your issues with tuples? Not doubting, genuinely curious
- bearophile (16/18) Jul 22 2013 There's a significant need for a handy safe nice and very compact
- ixid (4/22) Jul 22 2013 What became of using the comma operator with parens for tuples?
- bearophile (5/6) Jul 22 2013 I don't know. But I presume Walter is not interested in breaking
- Brian Rogoff (17/21) Jul 22 2013 If that's true, it would be unfortunate. I appreciate the
- Iain Buclaw (14/15) Jul 23 2013 Roadmap for next two years.
- Dejan Lekic (2/17) Jul 23 2013 Iain, you could put that in a loop... :P
- Arjan (3/25) Jul 23 2013 He did, GDC unrolled it.
Do team have any roadmap for D? I mean Language + standard lib.
Jul 21 2013
"bearophile" <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> Suliman:Do team have any roadmap for D? I mean Language + standard lib.Nope, sorry. Bye, bearophile
Jul 21 2013
On Sunday, 21 July 2013 at 17:07:56 UTC, Suliman wrote:Do team have any roadmap for D? I mean Language + standard lib.There's the "preapproved" tag for D's Bugzilla, which is used for issues that have been approved design-wise, but are not implemented yet: http://d.puremagic.com/issues/buglist.cgi?keywords=preapproved&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED Not quite a roadmap, but for the standard library, there's the review queue: http://wiki.dlang.org/Review_Queue
Jul 21 2013
On Sunday, 21 July 2013 at 17:07:56 UTC, Suliman wrote:Do team have any roadmap for D? I mean Language + standard lib.There are the DIP's, which are not exactly a raodmap, but at least can give you a sense of what the outstanding issues are and what the possible solutions may be. http://wiki.dlang.org/Category:DIP --rt
Jul 21 2013
On Sunday, 21 July 2013 at 19:43:56 UTC, Rob T wrote:On Sunday, 21 July 2013 at 17:07:56 UTC, Suliman wrote:http://wiki.dlang.org/DIPs contains some description.Do team have any roadmap for D? I mean Language + standard lib.There are the DIP's, which are not exactly a raodmap, but at least can give you a sense of what the outstanding issues are and what the possible solutions may be. http://wiki.dlang.org/Category:DIP --rt
Jul 21 2013
On Sunday, 21 July 2013 at 17:07:56 UTC, Suliman wrote:Do team have any roadmap for D? I mean Language + standard lib.No. This is becoming dated: http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel#Roadmap Put it together with the other suggestions and you can kind of make out a direction.
Jul 21 2013
Jesse Phillips:No. This is becoming dated: http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel#RoadmapThat list contains many "Remove x" and "Remove y" but most of those things seems to hang around nearly forever, they don't even yet generate deprecation messages... I disagree with this aspect of D development. It's confusing for D newbies, it's a mess, and I hate it. What's even worse is seeing Walter&Co spend time fixing creals and the like, that are supposed to be deprecated. Given the presence of a thousand open bug reports, it's just a matter of choosing to work on the bug reports that are about to not-deprecated features... Lately lot of the D improvement comes from Kenji Hara :-) Kenji is also my best hope to finally see good tuples in D. Bye, bearophile
Jul 21 2013
On Monday, 22 July 2013 at 01:15:16 UTC, bearophile wrote:Lately lot of the D improvement comes from Kenji Hara :-) Kenji is also my best hope to finally see good tuples in D.What are your issues with tuples? Not doubting, genuinely curious to hear your reasoning.
Jul 22 2013
Joseph Rushton Wakeling:What are your issues with tuples? Not doubting, genuinely curious to hear your reasoning.There's a significant need for a handy safe nice and very compact syntax to unpack (de-structure) tuples in assignments, foreach loops and function signatures (and switch cases), because the current syntax is not good enough. There are few other smaller related features that are handy, but they have a lower priority. Currently there is also a small syntax mess in tuple unpacking in foreach that needs to be fixed. There are several past threads that show and discuss this topic well, that you can read. There is also a DIP created by Kenji, that he didn't update with the small suggestions and fixes suggested in a thread because the main syntax design of that DIP was found to be flawed. Successive suggestions for a workable syntax have gone nowhere. Bye, bearophile
Jul 22 2013
On Monday, 22 July 2013 at 17:18:55 UTC, bearophile wrote:Joseph Rushton Wakeling:What became of using the comma operator with parens for tuples? That seemed to offer by far the most elegant option than some of the curly bracket messes.What are your issues with tuples? Not doubting, genuinely curious to hear your reasoning.There's a significant need for a handy safe nice and very compact syntax to unpack (de-structure) tuples in assignments, foreach loops and function signatures (and switch cases), because the current syntax is not good enough. There are few other smaller related features that are handy, but they have a lower priority. Currently there is also a small syntax mess in tuple unpacking in foreach that needs to be fixed. There are several past threads that show and discuss this topic well, that you can read. There is also a DIP created by Kenji, that he didn't update with the small suggestions and fixes suggested in a thread because the main syntax design of that DIP was found to be flawed. Successive suggestions for a workable syntax have gone nowhere. Bye, bearophile
Jul 22 2013
ixid:What became of using the comma operator with parens for tuples?I don't know. But I presume Walter is not interested in breaking backwards compatibility with C so much. Bye, bearophile
Jul 22 2013
On Tuesday, 23 July 2013 at 00:12:14 UTC, bearophile wrote:ixid:If that's true, it would be unfortunate. I appreciate the benefits of preserving C compatibility, but that has to be balanced against the benefits of other features. Lightweight tuple syntax is a huge win in every language I've used that has it, and would be a win for D too, even at the expense of compromising syntactic compatibility with C. Not a showstopper if it never shows up, but it would be a disappointment. And yes, commas with parens is probably the ideal syntax. What's the proposed syntax for the types of tuples? A 'blessed' roadmap would also benefit the D world. D the language seems mostly complete at this point, so that many of the exciting advances will be in the runtime (precise GC) and libraries (allocators) and some plan describing when these kinds of things are supposed to make it into the mainstream of D would stir more interest in the language. -- BrianWhat became of using the comma operator with parens for tuples?I don't know. But I presume Walter is not interested in breaking backwards compatibility with C so much.
Jul 22 2013
On 21 July 2013 18:07, Suliman <evermind live.ru> wrote:Do team have any roadmap for D? I mean Language + standard lib.Roadmap for next two years. Make D2 awesome - Autumn 2013 Make D2 awesome - Winter 2013 Make D2 awesome - Spring 2014 Make D2 awesome - Summer 2014 Make D2 awesome - Autumn 2014 Make D2 awesome - Winter 2014 Make D2 awesome - Spring 2015 Make D2 awesome - Summer 2015 Make D2 awesome - Autumn 2015 -- Iain Buclaw *(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0';
Jul 23 2013
On Tuesday, 23 July 2013 at 08:56:25 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:On 21 July 2013 18:07, Suliman <evermind live.ru> wrote:Iain, you could put that in a loop... :PDo team have any roadmap for D? I mean Language + standard lib.Roadmap for next two years. Make D2 awesome - Autumn 2013 Make D2 awesome - Winter 2013 Make D2 awesome - Spring 2014 Make D2 awesome - Summer 2014 Make D2 awesome - Autumn 2014 Make D2 awesome - Winter 2014 Make D2 awesome - Spring 2015 Make D2 awesome - Summer 2015 Make D2 awesome - Autumn 2015 -- Iain Buclaw *(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0';
Jul 23 2013
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:11:41 +0200, Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic gmail.com> wrote:On Tuesday, 23 July 2013 at 08:56:25 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:He did, GDC unrolled it.On 21 July 2013 18:07, Suliman <evermind live.ru> wrote:Iain, you could put that in a loop... :PDo team have any roadmap for D? I mean Language + standard lib.Roadmap for next two years. Make D2 awesome - Autumn 2013 Make D2 awesome - Winter 2013 Make D2 awesome - Spring 2014 Make D2 awesome - Summer 2014 Make D2 awesome - Autumn 2014 Make D2 awesome - Winter 2014 Make D2 awesome - Spring 2015 Make D2 awesome - Summer 2015 Make D2 awesome - Autumn 2015 -- Iain Buclaw *(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0';
Jul 23 2013