• Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> Feb 10 2010
• Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> Feb 10 2010
• ZY Zhou <ZY Zhou.comm> Feb 10 2010
• Bane <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> Feb 11 2010
• "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> Feb 11 2010
• =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> Feb 11 2010
• "Joel C. Salomon" <joelcsalomon gmail.com> Feb 11 2010
• Bane <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> Feb 12 2010
• retard <re tard.com.invalid> Feb 11 2010
• retard <re tard.com.invalid> Feb 11 2010

Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:

http://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/b05yq/d_losing_momentum/

Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:

Walter Bright wrote:
 http://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/b05yq/d_losing_momentum/


I'm not sure if I should vote the title up or down :o). I upvoted. The 
comments seem to be very optimistic, which is remarkable given the mood 
suggested by the question.

Andrei

ZY Zhou <ZY Zhou.comm> writes:

That's because only people who care about D would post comments there. The
other people, they just ignore this topic.
If you want to see comments that's not optimistic. Try posting something like:
"Wow, D is the best language ever" 

Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:
 The comments seem to be very optimistic, which is remarkable
 given the mood  suggested by the question.
 
 Andrei

Bane <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> writes:

Ay topic that starts like 'The X is best...' or 'The X sucks...' are flame war
invitation for ignorant people. I think those  that would write negative
comments on "Wow, D is the best language ever" haven really used D at all (or
had some short experience with it that made misguided impression), but have
their favorite A/B/C/F/Java and they are certain that it is the best ever. 

I hope that D's users club will grow over time, in spite of heavy oposition of
number mature and popular languages in same category. What I believe is that
existing club members are dedicated to and very happy with it, so numbers will
only grow.

ZY Zhou Wrote:

 That's because only people who care about D would post comments there. The
other people, they just ignore this topic.
 If you want to see comments that's not optimistic. Try posting something like:
"Wow, D is the best language ever" 
 
 Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:
 The comments seem to be very optimistic, which is remarkable
 given the mood  suggested by the question.
 
 Andrei

"Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:

"Bane" <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:hl0ku9$vdt$1 digitalmars.com...
 I hope that D's users club will grow over time, in spite of heavy 
 oposition of number mature and popular languages in same category. What I 
 believe is that existing club members are dedicated to and very happy with 
 it, so numbers will only grow.


The way I see it, there are depressingly few languages in the same category 
as D (that category being multi-paradigm languages that are realistically 
usable for systems programming).  Thare's C/C++ (although, IMO C/C++ is a 
bit anachronistic these days), and then there's Google "Issue 9" (which is 
*highly* debatable as to whether it actually counts as meeting the above 
criteria), and then Cyclone and maybe a couple others like Vala that don't 
seem to be very mature ATM (at least compared to D anyay). And that's about 
it. 

=?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:

retard wrote:
 You can probably see that even C and C
 ++ are used on different kinds of projects.


Two very different languages indeed.

 C++ isn't very good for
 modeling operating system kernels.


There may be reasons why C++ isn't very good for operating system 
kernels; modeling is not one of them. C++ can model anything that C can 
model.

Ali

"Joel C. Salomon" <joelcsalomon gmail.com> writes:

On 2/11/2010 4:05 PM, retard wrote:
 C on the other hand fails on high 
 level user interface and business logic programming and on trivial 
 multithreaded systems.


Actually, given a decent implementation of the CSP thread model,
multithreading in C is easy even for trivial problems.  Plan 9 uses that
model heavily, and I was encouraged to hear that D2’s concurrency model
will have CSP influences.

—Joel C. Salomon

Bane <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> writes:

Nick Sabalausky Wrote:

 "Bane" <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> wrote in message 
 news:hl0ku9$vdt$1 digitalmars.com...
 I hope that D's users club will grow over time, in spite of heavy 
 oposition of number mature and popular languages in same category. What I 
 believe is that existing club members are dedicated to and very happy with 
 it, so numbers will only grow.


 The way I see it, there are depressingly few languages in the same category 
 as D (that category being multi-paradigm languages that are realistically 
 usable for systems programming).  Thare's C/C++ (although, IMO C/C++ is a 
 bit anachronistic these days), and then there's Google "Issue 9" (which is 
 *highly* debatable as to whether it actually counts as meeting the above 
 criteria), and then Cyclone and maybe a couple others like Vala that don't 
 seem to be very mature ATM (at least compared to D anyay). And that's about 
 it. 
 


I think there are many potential languages in that category:
C++/Java/Delphi/C#... depends of definition of  'same category':'multiparadigm,
functional, OOP etc.', or 'what are/can ya building with it'.

And I don't think 'system programing' covers only kernel building. What about
other multi threaded/process/heavy load/high concurrency/low level access stuff?

Which to chose is more a matter of personal preference, company politics or
convenience than of language capabilities.

retard <re tard.com.invalid> writes:

Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:52:26 -0500, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 "Bane" <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> wrote in message
 news:hl0ku9$vdt$1 digitalmars.com...
 I hope that D's users club will grow over time, in spite of heavy
 oposition of number mature and popular languages in same category. What
 I believe is that existing club members are dedicated to and very happy
 with it, so numbers will only grow.


 category as D (that category being multi-paradigm languages that are
 realistically usable for systems programming).  Thare's C/C++ (although,
 IMO C/C++ is a bit anachronistic these days), and then there's Google
 "Issue 9"


I bet the systems programmers often believe that a single language can't 
serve all possible problem domains. You can probably see that even C and C
++ are used on different kinds of projects. C++ isn't very good for 
modeling operating system kernels. C on the other hand fails on high 
level user interface and business logic programming and on trivial 
multithreaded systems.

, and then Cyclone and maybe a couple
 others like Vala that don't seem to be very mature ATM (at least
 compared to D anyay). And that's about it.


I thought Vala was an attempt to built GNOME 3.0 using a modern garbage 
collected semi high level language by porting C# to native code & gobject 
system. I don't really expect Vala to be used outside GNOME.

retard <re tard.com.invalid> writes:

Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:56:01 -0500, Joel C. Salomon wrote:

 On 2/11/2010 4:05 PM, retard wrote:
 C on the other hand fails on high
 level user interface and business logic programming and on trivial
 multithreaded systems.


 Actually, given a decent implementation of the CSP thread model,
 multithreading in C is easy even for trivial problems.  Plan 9 uses that
 model heavily, and I was encouraged to hear that D2’s concurrency model
 will have CSP influences.


Agreed, some models are easier to comprehend. I really liked C.A.R. 
Hoare's book about CSP. It's standing right next to my copy of SICP :)

Maybe I'm just getting blinded by high level languages - when you want a 
clean, pure process system, my implementation language of choice wouldn't 
be C.