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reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
I'm considering setting up another D newsgroup called D.marketplace. In 
it, you can essentially post advertisements for your D products, hang 
out a shingle offering your D consulting services, post want ads for D 
programmers, anything business oriented that's related to D.

Is this something needed?
Oct 06 2009
next sibling parent reply bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
Walter Bright Wrote:

 Is this something needed?

At the moment I don't see a lot of business D-related. But if you build it they may come, maybe slowly (in a year or two). If in a couple years from now you see that newsgroup keeps being dead, you can delete it. So I don't see harm in trying. Bye, bearophile
Oct 06 2009
parent "AJ" <aj nospam.net> writes:
bearophile wrote:
 Walter Bright Wrote:

 Is this something needed?

At the moment I don't see a lot of business D-related.

"At the moment"? If the boat has a hole in it, tell them immediately.
Oct 16 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Walter Bright" <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote in message 
news:hag41h$21l1$1 digitalmars.com...
 I'm considering setting up another D newsgroup called D.marketplace. In 
 it, you can essentially post advertisements for your D products, hang out 
 a shingle offering your D consulting services, post want ads for D 
 programmers, anything business oriented that's related to D.

 Is this something needed?

Isn't that what basically what D.announcements is?
Oct 06 2009
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Nick Sabalausky wrote:
 "Walter Bright" <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote in message 
 news:hag41h$21l1$1 digitalmars.com...
 I'm considering setting up another D newsgroup called D.marketplace. In 
 it, you can essentially post advertisements for your D products, hang out 
 a shingle offering your D consulting services, post want ads for D 
 programmers, anything business oriented that's related to D.

 Is this something needed?

Isn't that what basically what D.announcements is?

There's some overlap, but I think they serve entirely different purposes. D.announce is for any announcements of interest to D programmers, D.marketplace is for commercial things - products and services to buy and sell. Think of it like the 'classified' section of the newspaper.
Oct 06 2009
parent reply Tim Matthews <tim.matthews7 gmail.com> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:

 There's some overlap, but I think they serve entirely different 
 purposes. D.announce is for any announcements of interest to D 
 programmers, D.marketplace is for commercial things - products and 
 services to buy and sell. Think of it like the 'classified' section of 
 the newspaper.

Overlap is what causes categories to loose there importance. The categories should clearly draw the line in either definition, quantity of content, or both. Currently we have "D" for all kinds of things: D language. Dmd compiler. Ideas. Blog posts. Announcements has such low traffic that a split is not really necessary at the moment. The newsgroups could possibly be restructured though for example: D lang. (language spec & proposals) D compilers. (dmd, gdc, ldc & others) D dev tools. (debugger, ide & others) D gui tool kit. (or maybe all non standard libraries?). D bugs. D annoucements. D standard libs (old dtl + phobos & tango talk). D OT (the kind of coffee lounge. must remain of interest to d programmers. for example: the sort of posts berophile finds on the development of other languages). I don't know anything of the implementation of news groups. Is it at all easy to just move posts in the same way as can be done through a web message board forum?
Oct 06 2009
parent Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Tim Matthews wrote:
 I don't know anything of the implementation of news groups. Is it at all 
  easy to just move posts in the same way as can be done through a web 
 message board forum?

It would be very hard to move them.
Oct 06 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent reply dsimcha <dsimcha yahoo.com> writes:
== Quote from Walter Bright (newshound1 digitalmars.com)'s article
 I'm considering setting up another D newsgroup called D.marketplace. In
 it, you can essentially post advertisements for your D products, hang
 out a shingle offering your D consulting services, post want ads for D
 programmers, anything business oriented that's related to D.
 Is this something needed?

Can't hurt. Part of what holds D back is that its community is so diffuse, since it doesn't have a real niche yet that concentrates a lot of users. These forums are about the only place other than random coffee shops in Seattle where you hear much about D on the technical side. Hopefully a D.marketplace newsgroup would do the same thing on the $$ side.
Oct 06 2009
parent Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
dsimcha wrote:
 Can't hurt.  Part of what holds D back is that its community is so diffuse,
since
 it doesn't have a real niche yet that concentrates a lot of users.  These
forums
 are about the only place other than random coffee shops in Seattle where you
hear
 much about D on the technical side.  Hopefully a D.marketplace newsgroup would
do
 the same thing on the $$ side.

I think it's important to encourage the commercial side of D. It can only help.
Oct 06 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> writes:
On 2009-10-06 14:58:59 -0400, Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> said:

 I'm considering setting up another D newsgroup called D.marketplace. In 
 it, you can essentially post advertisements for your D products, hang 
 out a shingle offering your D consulting services, post want ads for D 
 programmers, anything business oriented that's related to D.
 
 Is this something needed?

Looks like an excellent idea. Someone contacted me for something Mac and D-related a little while ago. I got found from a Google search that found my Mac oriented D projects on my website. I guess having a newsgroup for this can only help. -- Michel Fortin michel.fortin michelf.com http://michelf.com/
Oct 06 2009
prev sibling parent reply Stanley Steel <news-steel kryas.com> writes:
On 10/6/09 12:58 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
 I'm considering setting up another D newsgroup called D.marketplace. In
 it, you can essentially post advertisements for your D products, hang
 out a shingle offering your D consulting services, post want ads for D
 programmers, anything business oriented that's related to D.

 Is this something needed?

offer up some development time.
Oct 06 2009
next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Stanley Steel wrote:
 On 10/6/09 12:58 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
 I'm considering setting up another D newsgroup called D.marketplace. In
 it, you can essentially post advertisements for your D products, hang
 out a shingle offering your D consulting services, post want ads for D
 programmers, anything business oriented that's related to D.

 Is this something needed?

offer up some development time.

I thought a n.g. would be easy to manage, and we can see how things go with it before spending a lot of effort.
Oct 06 2009
parent reply Stanley Steel <news-steel kryas.com> writes:
On 10/6/09 11:01 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
 Stanley Steel wrote:
 On 10/6/09 12:58 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
 I'm considering setting up another D newsgroup called D.marketplace. In
 it, you can essentially post advertisements for your D products, hang
 out a shingle offering your D consulting services, post want ads for D
 programmers, anything business oriented that's related to D.

 Is this something needed?

to offer up some development time.

I thought a n.g. would be easy to manage, and we can see how things go with it before spending a lot of effort.

Oct 06 2009
parent reply Stanley Steel <news-steel kryas.com> writes:
language_fan Wrote:

 
 The nntp system is not that bad actually. What annoys me on the 
 announcement group is that there is too much OT discussion and new 
 release announcements are added to the same thread with lots of OT posts. 
 Some kind of moderation would be more than welcome.
 
 If you have time and energy, you could also fix the web interface and/or 
 improve its user interface design - it's annoyingly broken and ugly. I 
 guess Walter would be more than glad to accept patches.

I am looking for a project to complete to help enhance my nonexistent portfolio. So, I was hoping to do something along the lines of web development and design as that is where my interest and experience lies. Hence, the suggestion to do something other than a newsgroup topic.
Oct 07 2009
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Stanley Steel wrote:
 I am looking for a project to complete to help enhance my nonexistent
 portfolio.  So, I was hoping to do something along the lines of web
 development and design as that is where my interest and experience
 lies.  Hence, the suggestion to do something other than a newsgroup
 topic.

I've been interested in a long time in writing a D cgi application that runs on the server and enables a reddit-like view of the n.g. postings, as well as the usual n.g. nntp interface. The current archiving stuff http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/announce/index.html is a step in that direction, but it is not interactive and doesn't allow posting. People would have two possible ways to interact with the n.g. - through the standard NNTP interface using a normal newsreader, or the reddit-style interactive web view. The latter would also allow logged in users to vote + or -, have avatars, etc.
Oct 07 2009
next sibling parent "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Walter Bright" <newshound1 digitalmars.com> wrote in message 
news:haj1ek$20sa$1 digitalmars.com...
 Stanley Steel wrote:
 I am looking for a project to complete to help enhance my nonexistent
 portfolio.  So, I was hoping to do something along the lines of web
 development and design as that is where my interest and experience
 lies.  Hence, the suggestion to do something other than a newsgroup
 topic.

I've been interested in a long time in writing a D cgi application that runs on the server and enables a reddit-like view of the n.g. postings, as well as the usual n.g. nntp interface.

Oooh, yea. In fact, speaking of D abnd CGI, an up-to-date D equivilent-of/port/bindings-for/etc of FastCGI (sorry no link handy atm, but should be easy to google) would be a great thing for D to have.
Oct 07 2009
prev sibling parent reply Stanley Steel <news-steel kryas.com> writes:
Walter Bright Wrote:

 Stanley Steel wrote:
 I am looking for a project to complete to help enhance my nonexistent
 portfolio.  So, I was hoping to do something along the lines of web
 development and design as that is where my interest and experience
 lies.  Hence, the suggestion to do something other than a newsgroup
 topic.

I've been interested in a long time in writing a D cgi application that runs on the server and enables a reddit-like view of the n.g. postings, as well as the usual n.g. nntp interface. The current archiving stuff http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/announce/index.html is a step in that direction, but it is not interactive and doesn't allow posting. People would have two possible ways to interact with the n.g. - through the standard NNTP interface using a normal newsreader, or the reddit-style interactive web view. The latter would also allow logged in users to vote + or -, have avatars, etc.

Just out of curiosity, do you or could you have a database running or would you want to use flat files for data storage?
Oct 07 2009
parent Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Stanley Steel wrote:
 Walter Bright Wrote:
 I've been interested in a long time in writing a D cgi application
 that runs on the server and enables a reddit-like view of the n.g.
 postings, as well as the usual n.g. nntp interface.
 
 The current archiving stuff 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/announce/index.html
  is a step in that direction, but it is not interactive and doesn't
 allow posting.
 
 People would have two possible ways to interact with the n.g. -
 through the standard NNTP interface using a normal newsreader, or
 the reddit-style interactive web view. The latter would also allow
 logged in users to vote + or -, have avatars, etc.

Just out of curiosity, do you or could you have a database running or would you want to use flat files for data storage?

I see the 'database' as the NNTP message files, unmodified, so the NNTP news server runs unmodified and unmolested. The cgi app should create an additional database with the votes & avatars, etc., that is separate. The cgi app should 'post' to NNTP any new messages, and monitor the NNTP message files for new ones.
Oct 07 2009
prev sibling parent language_fan <foo bar.com.invalid> writes:
Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:04:04 -0600, Stanley Steel thusly wrote:

 On 10/6/09 11:01 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
 Stanley Steel wrote:
 On 10/6/09 12:58 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
 I'm considering setting up another D newsgroup called D.marketplace.
 In it, you can essentially post advertisements for your D products,
 hang out a shingle offering your D consulting services, post want ads
 for D programmers, anything business oriented that's related to D.

 Is this something needed?

to offer up some development time.

I thought a n.g. would be easy to manage, and we can see how things go with it before spending a lot of effort.


The nntp system is not that bad actually. What annoys me on the announcement group is that there is too much OT discussion and new release announcements are added to the same thread with lots of OT posts. Some kind of moderation would be more than welcome. If you have time and energy, you could also fix the web interface and/or improve its user interface design - it's annoyingly broken and ugly. I guess Walter would be more than glad to accept patches.
Oct 07 2009