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reply "JamesKan" <DIsBad help.com> writes:
Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. Count 
the people engaged in this <whatever it is>, and if a few select 
capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D. 
None. Nada. Religions are not for profit. It's OK to worship, whoever 
<stupid> people want to. If TDPL goes to press, there is something VERY 
wrong (and there is). 
Mar 27 2010
next sibling parent reply Bane <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> writes:
JamesKan Wrote:

 Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. Count 
 the people engaged in this <whatever it is>, and if a few select 
 capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D. 
 None. Nada. Religions are not for profit. It's OK to worship, whoever 
 <stupid> people want to. If TDPL goes to press, there is something VERY 
 wrong (and there is). 

Bitching about your own life disappointments? Whenever you go everything appears the same? Here's an idea: go some place else!
Mar 28 2010
parent Fawzi Mohamed <fawzi gmx.ch> writes:
On 28-mar-10, at 12:10, Bane wrote:

 JamesKan Wrote:

 Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down.  
 Count
 the people engaged in this <whatever it is>, and if a few select
 capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D.
 None. Nada. Religions are not for profit. It's OK to worship, whoever
 <stupid> people want to. If TDPL goes to press, there is something  
 VERY
 wrong (and there is).

Bitching about your own life disappointments? Whenever you go everything appears the same? Here's an idea: go some place else!

yep it sure looks like it, why the hate? For sure it is possible to use D fruitfully (I hope that I am doing that). I cannot talk too much about D 2.0 because I participated on discussions mostly as outsider (i.e. non D 2.0 user), but I sure think that there are improvements in D 2.0. I don't agree with all changes, and I think that D 2.0 is not yet ready for me, and D1.0 is quite good already, and I like its stability (even it also botches sometime). Still freezing D2 is for sure not a bad thing, and if the book contributes to that then good... Fawzi
Mar 28 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pelle_M=E5nsson?= <pelle.mansson gmail.com> writes:
On 03/28/2010 07:16 AM, JamesKan wrote:
 Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. Count
 the people engaged in this<whatever it is>, and if a few select
 capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D.
 None. Nada. Religions are not for profit. It's OK to worship, whoever
 <stupid>  people want to. If TDPL goes to press, there is something VERY
 wrong (and there is).

Have I not seen this very text before on this newsgroup? Or at least something very similar? Fun.
Mar 28 2010
next sibling parent Fawzi Mohamed <fawzi gmx.ch> writes:
On 28-mar-10, at 13:20, Pelle M=E5nsson wrote:

 On 03/28/2010 07:16 AM, JamesKan wrote:
 Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. =20=


 Count
 the people engaged in this<whatever it is>, and if a few select
 capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D.
 None. Nada. Religions are not for profit. It's OK to worship, whoever
 <stupid>  people want to. If TDPL goes to press, there is something =20=


 VERY
 wrong (and there is).

Have I not seen this very text before on this newsgroup? Or at least =20=

 something very similar?

 Fun.

yes it seems that someone someplace is venting off, and putting energy =20= in making stuff look bad rather than improving or making his own stuff..=
Mar 28 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Steve Teale <steve.teale britseyeview.com> writes:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:20:57 +0200, Pelle MÃ¥nsson wrote:

 On 03/28/2010 07:16 AM, JamesKan wrote:
 Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down.
 Count the people engaged in this<whatever it is>, and if a few select
 capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D.
 None. Nada. Religions are not for profit. It's OK to worship, whoever
 <stupid>  people want to. If TDPL goes to press, there is something
 VERY wrong (and there is).

something very similar? Fun.

Do you mean this one? "What problems has D solved? (Other than providing compiler writers with masturbatory material). Light bulb (!!!): D is a circle jerk! (Not that there's anything wrong with that)." It has a similar tone. Why would someone be so bitter and write so badly? Even if it were the case that D was not really any more than a discussion group for ideas about compiler design, it would still be a worthwhile exercise. Walter has been contributing to the industry for years, and anyone who has done that in the way he has will have experienced ups and downs. He's the last person I know who I would describe as money-grabbing. If Andrei wants to risk all the work it takes to get a book published, and he's bet on a particular horse, then whichever way it goes, that's his own choice. Since when was there an unwritten rule that you can't do speculative technical work with a view to making some money in the future. If people hadn't done that many times we would barely have computers and computer languages at all! I'd put it more bluntly than some (not to you Pelle) - piss off you anonymous prat, or be clear about your identity then we can all judge your motives. Steve
Mar 28 2010
next sibling parent reply Bane <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> writes:
 Do you mean this one?
 
 "What problems has D solved? (Other than providing compiler writers with 
 masturbatory material). Light bulb (!!!): D is a circle jerk! (Not that 
 there's anything wrong with that)."
 
 It has a similar tone.
 
 Why would someone be so bitter and write so badly? Even if it were the 
 case that D was not really any more than a discussion group for ideas 
 about compiler design, it would still be a worthwhile exercise.
 
 Walter has been contributing to the industry for years, and anyone who 
 has done that in the way he has will have experienced ups and downs. He's 
 the last person I know who I would describe as money-grabbing.
 
 If Andrei wants to risk all the work it takes to get a book published, 
 and he's bet on a particular horse, then whichever way it goes, that's 
 his own choice. Since when was there an unwritten rule that you can't do 
 speculative technical work with a view to making some money in the 
 future. If people hadn't done that many times we would barely have 
 computers and computer languages at all!
 
 I'd put it more bluntly than some (not to you Pelle) - piss off you 
 anonymous prat, or be clear about your identity then we can all judge 
 your motives.
 
 Steve
 

I agree with Steve.
Mar 28 2010
parent reply superdan <super dan.org> writes:
Bane Wrote:

 Do you mean this one?
 
 "What problems has D solved? (Other than providing compiler writers with 
 masturbatory material). Light bulb (!!!): D is a circle jerk! (Not that 
 there's anything wrong with that)."
 
 It has a similar tone.
 
 Why would someone be so bitter and write so badly? Even if it were the 
 case that D was not really any more than a discussion group for ideas 
 about compiler design, it would still be a worthwhile exercise.
 
 Walter has been contributing to the industry for years, and anyone who 
 has done that in the way he has will have experienced ups and downs. He's 
 the last person I know who I would describe as money-grabbing.
 
 If Andrei wants to risk all the work it takes to get a book published, 
 and he's bet on a particular horse, then whichever way it goes, that's 
 his own choice. Since when was there an unwritten rule that you can't do 
 speculative technical work with a view to making some money in the 
 future. If people hadn't done that many times we would barely have 
 computers and computer languages at all!
 
 I'd put it more bluntly than some (not to you Pelle) - piss off you 
 anonymous prat, or be clear about your identity then we can all judge 
 your motives.
 
 Steve
 

I agree with Steve.

jesus homies. hez a troll fer fucks sake. can't believe u r tryin' teh communicate let alone reason with dat asstodeepthroater. all groups haz trollz. its a sign of popularity. kudos homies but fuhget about it. u don't reason with'em trollz.
Mar 28 2010
next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
superdan wrote:
 jesus homies.

Hey, we missed you! Nice to see you back!
Mar 28 2010
parent superdan <super dan.org> writes:
Walter Bright Wrote:

 superdan wrote:
 jesus homies.

Hey, we missed you! Nice to see you back!

yo walt. u rule.
Mar 28 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent superdan <super dan.org> writes:
Steve Teale Wrote:

 On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:55:50 -0400, superdan wrote:
 
 
 jesus homies. hez a troll fer fucks sake. can't believe u r tryin' teh
 communicate let alone reason with dat asstodeepthroater. all groups haz
 trollz. its a sign of popularity. kudos homies but fuhget about it. u
 don't reason with'em trollz.

SD, There was not an ounce of reason in my post, just a gut response. Had I been as eloquent as you I might have used the 'asstodeepthroater' term instead of prat - next time perhaps. It's a while since we heard from you!

yo steve, howz africa treatin' ye? shit them crackerz call me african american but ive never set foot in africa. should visit sumtime. doing well. been lurkin' all along. good group. it was da best better than a good talk show. smart civil homiez. even bearophile. even u yigal when u keep dat douchebag urge in check. problem iz trollz r startin' to fuck this group. shit man i knew dat waz coming down.
Mar 28 2010
prev sibling parent BCS <none anon.com> writes:
Hello superdan,

 Bane Wrote:
 
 I'd put it more bluntly than some (not to you Pelle) - piss off you
 anonymous prat, or be clear about your identity then we can all
 judge your motives.
 
 Steve
 


communicate let alone reason with dat asstodeepthroater.

The only part directed at the OP didn't look like an attempt to reason with them. Personably, I think it can be interesting dissecting the "reasoning" of unreasonable people. -- ... <IXOYE><
Mar 28 2010
prev sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Steve Teale" <steve.teale britseyeview.com> wrote in message 
news:hononf$1tf5$1 digitalmars.com...
 Why would someone be so bitter and write so badly? Even if it were the
 case that D was not really any more than a discussion group for ideas
 about compiler design, it would still be a worthwhile exercise.

Maybe it's Bjarne Stroustrup and he's getting worried ;) (That's only a joke, btw.) To all: This guy's just going to keep posting more of this stuff under more fake names if we keep feeding him. It's not like anyone's ever going to successfully appeal to a troll's sense of reason, as there clearly is none.
Mar 28 2010
next sibling parent superdan <super dan.org> writes:
Nick Sabalausky Wrote:

 "Steve Teale" <steve.teale britseyeview.com> wrote in message 
 news:hononf$1tf5$1 digitalmars.com...
 Why would someone be so bitter and write so badly? Even if it were the
 case that D was not really any more than a discussion group for ideas
 about compiler design, it would still be a worthwhile exercise.

Maybe it's Bjarne Stroustrup and he's getting worried ;) (That's only a joke, btw.) To all: This guy's just going to keep posting more of this stuff under more fake names if we keep feeding him. It's not like anyone's ever going to successfully appeal to a troll's sense of reason, as there clearly is none.

listen to dis homie. u cant figure out them trollz. da concept they spend time trolling n inventing namez n changing stylez n shit boggles the fuck outta me. u cant understand trollz. u hope they look fer professional help.
Mar 28 2010
prev sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
Nick Sabalausky wrote:
 Maybe it's Bjarne Stroustrup and he's getting worried ;)
 (That's only a joke, btw.)

With the troll's poor grammar and generally incomprehensible mishmash, I seriously doubt he's an alias for an accomplished and eloquent professional writer.
Mar 28 2010
parent reply BCS <none anon.com> writes:
Hello Walter,

 Nick Sabalausky wrote:
 
 Maybe it's Bjarne Stroustrup and he's getting worried ;) (That's only
 a joke, btw.)
 

I seriously doubt he's an alias for an accomplished and eloquent professional writer.

I think you are correct, OTOH; what better way for such a person to hide than to forgo what they are best known for? -- ... <IXOYE><
Mar 28 2010
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
BCS wrote:
 I think you are correct, OTOH; what better way for such a person to hide 
 than to forgo what they are best known for?

True, except it's really hard to hide one's writing style. It's like trying to disguise your handwriting.
Mar 28 2010
parent reply BCS <none anon.com> writes:
Hello Walter,

 BCS wrote:
 
 I think you are correct, OTOH; what better way for such a person to
 hide than to forgo what they are best known for?
 

trying to disguise your handwriting.

Yeah, but it you make it hard enough to read, then people won't have any brain cycle left over to do pattern matching. /joke OTOH if you do it wrong, they might no even read it in the first place. -- ... <IXOYE><
Mar 28 2010
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
BCS wrote:
 Yeah, but it you make it hard enough to read, then people won't have any 
 brain cycle left over to do pattern matching. /joke OTOH if you do it 
 wrong, they might no even read it in the first place.

It's also remarkably consistent in style with the other troll posts here, and totally unlike Bjarne's style. I would say that is a very hard thing to pull off. I know a guy who got pasted enough in an online forum that he "disappeared" and re-emerged a while later under a new pseudonym. He got outed within a couple days, and accused me of ratting him out to the other forum members. I told him that was hardly necessary, as I pointed out that he often used some unique stock phrases, and repeated them under his new name. Everyone immediately knew it was him. He did a few more name changes, and tried pretty hard to hide his style, but people always caught on. He finally gave up and just accepted that people knew who he was, and he got gently ribbed about it now and then.
Mar 28 2010
parent reply BCS <none anon.com> writes:
Hello Walter,


 I know a guy who got pasted enough in an online forum[...]

"got pasted"? -- ... <IXOYE><
Mar 29 2010
parent Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
BCS wrote:
 Hello Walter,
 
 
 I know a guy who got pasted enough in an online forum[...]

"got pasted"?

It's an old expression for bombing an area to bits.
Mar 29 2010
prev sibling parent Steve Teale <steve.teale britseyeview.com> writes:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:55:50 -0400, superdan wrote:

 
 jesus homies. hez a troll fer fucks sake. can't believe u r tryin' teh
 communicate let alone reason with dat asstodeepthroater. all groups haz
 trollz. its a sign of popularity. kudos homies but fuhget about it. u
 don't reason with'em trollz.

SD, There was not an ounce of reason in my post, just a gut response. Had I been as eloquent as you I might have used the 'asstodeepthroater' term instead of prat - next time perhaps. It's a while since we heard from you!
Mar 28 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent BCS <none anon.com> writes:
Hello JamesKan,

Clearly the OP doesn't know what he's talking about so the following is mostly 
for the rest of us.

 There is no money in D.

Well Duh! We all known that. Name a language that (directly) made it's creators money. (Hit: MS *gives way* the C# compiler.) The money is in the tools (and going on the talking circuit). -- ... <IXOYE><
Mar 28 2010
prev sibling parent Don <nospam nospam.com> writes:
JamesKan wrote:
 Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. Count 
 the people engaged in this <whatever it is>, and if a few select 
 capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D. 
 None. Nada. Religions are not for profit. It's OK to worship, whoever 
 <stupid> people want to. If TDPL goes to press, there is something VERY 
 wrong (and there is). 
 
 

Mar 29 2010