• Kagamin <spam here.lot> Oct 14 2009
• Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> Oct 14 2009
• Bill Baxter <wbaxter gmail.com> Oct 14 2009
• Jeremie Pelletier <jeremiep gmail.com> Oct 14 2009
• Frank Benoit <keinfarbton googlemail.com> Oct 14 2009
• Kagamin <spam here.lot> Oct 14 2009
• Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> Oct 14 2009
• Chris Nicholson-Sauls <ibisbasenji gmail.com> Oct 14 2009
• Kagamin <spam here.lot> Oct 15 2009
• Kagamin <spam here.lot> Oct 15 2009

Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:

http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP6

Java's syntax has the advantage of having to type less when the annotation has
no arguments:  annotation vs. [annotation].


In both cases you have a two-keys overhead.

Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> writes:

Kagamin wrote:
 http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP6
 
 Java's syntax has the advantage of having to type less when the annotation has
no arguments:  annotation vs. [annotation].


 In both cases you have a two-keys overhead.


No, why?

Bill Baxter <wbaxter gmail.com> writes:

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> wrote:
 Kagamin wrote:
 http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP6

 Java's syntax has the advantage of having to type less when the
 annotation has no arguments:  annotation vs. [annotation].


 In both cases you have a two-keys overhead.


 No, why?


Maybe you have a different keyboard layout than Kagamin and me.

On a US layout --
   is Shift+2
but [ and ] are single keystrokes.

--bb

Jeremie Pelletier <jeremiep gmail.com> writes:

Bill Baxter wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> wrote:
 Kagamin wrote:
 http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP6

 Java's syntax has the advantage of having to type less when the
 annotation has no arguments:  annotation vs. [annotation].






 Maybe you have a different keyboard layout than Kagamin and me.
 
 On a US layout --
    is Shift+2
 but [ and ] are single keystrokes.
 
 --bb


Back when I started programming on a french canadian layout, most of 
these symbols were located at crazy places, like ? is shift-6, [], {}, 
<> are all found using right-alt + one of the many keys close to enter, 
which are used for accents, really annoying. Even the backslash is 
located at right-alt + the key left to 1.

And people here wonder why I custom order my laptops and keyboards to 
get native US layouts..

Jeremie

Frank Benoit <keinfarbton googlemail.com> writes:

Jeremie Pelletier schrieb:
 Back when I started programming on a french canadian layout, most of
 these symbols were located at crazy places, like ? is shift-6, [], {},
 <> are all found using right-alt + one of the many keys close to enter,
 which are used for accents, really annoying. Even the backslash is
 located at right-alt + the key left to 1.
 
 And people here wonder why I custom order my laptops and keyboards to
 get native US layouts..
 
 Jeremie


Hehe, same here in Germany

Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:

Frank Benoit Wrote:

 And people here wonder why I custom order my laptops and keyboards to
 get native US layouts..
 
 Jeremie


 Hehe, same here in Germany


In non-latin keyboard layouts there's no latin symbols at all. Feel the
difference.

Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> writes:

Bill Baxter wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> wrote:
 Kagamin wrote:
 http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP6

 Java's syntax has the advantage of having to type less when the
 annotation has no arguments:  annotation vs. [annotation].






 Maybe you have a different keyboard layout than Kagamin and me.
 
 On a US layout --
    is Shift+2
 but [ and ] are single keystrokes.
 
 --bb


Ah, two keys. I thought two chars. But I use the pinky finger to do the 
shift, isn't that less that a full blown finger to do [ or ]?

Chris Nicholson-Sauls <ibisbasenji gmail.com> writes:

Ary Borenszweig wrote:
 Bill Baxter wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Ary Borenszweig 
 <ary esperanto.org.ar> wrote:
 Kagamin wrote:
 http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP6

 Java's syntax has the advantage of having to type less when the
 annotation has no arguments:  annotation vs. [annotation].






 Maybe you have a different keyboard layout than Kagamin and me.

 On a US layout --
    is Shift+2
 but [ and ] are single keystrokes.

 --bb


 Ah, two keys. I thought two chars. But I use the pinky finger to do the 
 shift, isn't that less that a full blown finger to do [ or ]?


I was thinking the same thing... but then again I don't think typing "Ctl-Alt-K
[ 
Ctl-Alt-K Ctl-Alt-K" just to get an eth (ð) is a big deal...

-- Chris Nicholson-Sauls

Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:

Ary Borenszweig Wrote:

 On a US layout --
    is Shift+2
 but [ and ] are single keystrokes.
 
 --bb


 Ah, two keys. I thought two chars. But I use the pinky finger to do the 
 shift, isn't that less that a full blown finger to do [ or ]?


I thought, I'll break my fingers trying to do it. I usually use right shift to
type   (both arms). Well, obviously it will be no problem to you to press [ and
] with little finger.

Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:

Kagamin Wrote:

 Ary Borenszweig Wrote:
 
 On a US layout --
    is Shift+2
 but [ and ] are single keystrokes.
 
 --bb


 Ah, two keys. I thought two chars. But I use the pinky finger to do the 
 shift, isn't that less that a full blown finger to do [ or ]?


 I thought, I'll break my fingers trying to do it. I usually use right shift to
type   (both arms). Well, obviously it will be no problem to you to press [ and
] with little finger.


I think, the assertion in question should be removed from the DIP since it
doesn't scale well to other people.