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reply Johannes Pfau <spam example.com> writes:
Now that deimos is an organization and we can't use pull requests, how
do we get new bindings into deimos?

I'd still like to get my liblzma bindings in there:
https://github.com/jpf91/deimos/tree/liblzma

And I still wonder whether we are allowed to bundle simple examples
with the bindings:
https://github.com/jpf91/deimos/tree/examples
https://github.com/jpf91/deimos/blob/examples/examples/liblzma/xz_pipe_comp.d

Also, "The Deimos Manifesto" should be moved to the deimos
organization. I guess organizations can't have wikis, so we probably
have to add a 'fake' project for that? (Or we could keep a wiki at
https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/deimos and link to the
projects in https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos ?)

And the deimos project
(https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/deimos) should probably
display a note that it has moved to
https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos

-- 
Johannes Pfau
Nov 05 2011
next sibling parent reply Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic gmail.com> writes:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 10:28:25 +0100, Johannes Pfau wrote:

 Now that deimos is an organization and we can't use pull requests, how
 do we get new bindings into deimos?
 
Johannes, I did not know this - good news IMHO! :) I wonder the same question as I have some stuff to contribute as well.
Nov 05 2011
parent reply Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic gmail.com> writes:
OK, I believe I understand how it goes there - you basically need to have 
a project on GitHub, and ask Deimos (organisation) admin to add your 
project to the list of Deimos projects. Am I correct?
Nov 05 2011
parent reply Gor Gyolchanyan <gor.f.gyolchanyan gmail.com> writes:
I'd gladly start making a libjpeg port :-)

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic gmail.com> wrote:
 OK, I believe I understand how it goes there - you basically need to have
 a project on GitHub, and ask Deimos (organisation) admin to add your
 project to the list of Deimos projects. Am I correct?
Nov 05 2011
parent reply mta`chrono <chrono mta-international.net> writes:
Does anyone know the last state of Deimos? What are we going to use now.

This: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/deimos
Or that: https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/
Nov 08 2011
next sibling parent reply Gor Gyolchanyan <gor.f.gyolchanyan gmail.com> writes:
The first one is handy because you can have everything you want in a
single place and don't need to clone every lib separately.
The second one is handy because you don't have to carry around tons of
unneeded code.

For that reason, I propose us to keep the code in separate
repositories and refer to them from a single repository in the form of
submodules.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM, mta`chrono <chrono mta-international.net> wrote:
 Does anyone know the last state of Deimos? What are we going to use now.

 This: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/deimos
 Or that: https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/
Nov 08 2011
parent reply Andrea Fontana <advmail katamail.com> writes:
Could the same idea (of a single repository) be extended to support swig
based portings?=20
I've tried to port one of my project (quite complex data access layer)
to D using swig, and it works fine (and it's quite easy to do).
It would be useful for c++ class-based libraries...

Il giorno mar, 08/11/2011 alle 14.08 +0400, Gor Gyolchanyan ha scritto:

 The first one is handy because you can have everything you want in a
 single place and don't need to clone every lib separately.
 The second one is handy because you don't have to carry around tons of
 unneeded code.
=20
 For that reason, I propose us to keep the code in separate
 repositories and refer to them from a single repository in the form of
 submodules.
=20
 On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM, mta`chrono <chrono mta-international.net>=
wrote:
 Does anyone know the last state of Deimos? What are we going to use now=
.
 This: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/deimos
 Or that: https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/
Nov 08 2011
parent Gor Gyolchanyan <gor.f.gyolchanyan gmail.com> writes:
Using SWIG for porting C libraries to D is like using a chainsaw for
vascular incisions: It's extremely heavy and unproductive.
This is all because SWIG generates intermediate binary, which forwards
calls to C functions, which is completely unnecessary.
Furthermore, It translates macro constants into lists of const
variables. This is very unproductive as well, because macro
definitions don't have addresses and const variables do. A human
translator would've put those in a single enum (providing a whole
bunch of extra functionality, like obtaining the string of the enum
symbols).

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Andrea Fontana <advmail katamail.com> wrote:
 Could the same idea (of a single repository) be extended to support swig
 based portings?
 I've tried to port one of my project (quite complex data access layer) to D
 using swig, and it works fine (and it's quite easy to do).
 It would be useful for c++ class-based libraries...

 Il giorno mar, 08/11/2011 alle 14.08 +0400, Gor Gyolchanyan ha scritto:

 The first one is handy because you can have everything you want in a
 single place and don't need to clone every lib separately.
 The second one is handy because you don't have to carry around tons of
 unneeded code.

 For that reason, I propose us to keep the code in separate
 repositories and refer to them from a single repository in the form of
 submodules.

 On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM, mta`chrono <chrono mta-international.net
 wrote:
 Does anyone know the last state of Deimos? What are we going to use now.

 This: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/deimos
 Or that: https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/
Nov 08 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Steve Teale <steve.teale britseyeview.com> writes:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:00:30 +0100, mta`chrono wrote:

 Does anyone know the last state of Deimos? What are we going to use now.
 
 This: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/deimos Or that:
 https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/
I still have more fundamental questions. Maybe they've been answered, but if so I missed it. Walter's original CAPI Manifesto wanted straight translations of C headers. Is that still the boundary? I have done mysql.d and that would be close to fitting in there, but I also did mysqld.d, and that is way off. It's not Phobos material because of license considerations, but it's considerably beyond being a translation of a C header file. Where would that go? There are other pretty basic questions - who is the Deimos admin? How do you go about getting things in there? Steve
Nov 08 2011
next sibling parent Gor Gyolchanyan <gor.f.gyolchanyan gmail.com> writes:
 Walter's original CAPI Manifesto wanted straight translations of C header=
s. Is that still the boundary? Yes. The entire idea of Deimos is to provide an interface to original C libraries with absolutely minimum amount of modifications.
 I have done mysql.d and that would be close to fitting in there, but I al=
so did mysqld.d, and that is way off. It's not Phobos material because of l= icense considerations, but it's considerably beyond being a translation of = a C header file. Where would that go? Those kind of wrappers are very useful in general. I think it would be a good idea to also have a place to keep adapted and safe versions of the Deimos. On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Steve Teale <steve.teale britseyeview.com> wrote:
 On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:00:30 +0100, mta`chrono wrote:

 Does anyone know the last state of Deimos? What are we going to use now.

 This: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/deimos Or that:
 https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/
I still have more fundamental questions. Maybe they've been answered, but if so I missed it. Walter's original CAPI Manifesto wanted straight translations of C headers. Is that still the boundary? I have done mysql.d and that would be close to fitting in there, but I also did mysqld.d, and that is way off. It's not Phobos material because of license considerations, but it's considerably beyond being a translation of a C header file. Where would that go? There are other pretty basic questions - who is the Deimos admin? How do you go about getting things in there? Steve
Nov 08 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jude Young <10equals2 gmail.com> writes:
Ok, guys..

does anyone know the answers to these questions?

I have ncurses, 0MQ(ZeroMQ? ZMQ?), and CZMQ(high-level C wrapper for 
0MQ).  (They aren't 100% mine, but I helped! =D)
They all should work, I don't have any problems with them. (haven't 
tested CZMQ yet...)

I haven't decided what my next project is, but I LIKE working on these.
And I think it's a shame that they are just sittin around, collecting 
dust...

Will someone please tell me what needs to be done to get these into 
Deimos?

Come on Andrei, give me a second chance. ; )
Nov 12 2011
next sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 11/12/11 7:34 PM, Jude Young wrote:
 Ok, guys..

 does anyone know the answers to these questions?

 I have ncurses, 0MQ(ZeroMQ? ZMQ?), and CZMQ(high-level C wrapper for
 0MQ).  (They aren't 100% mine, but I helped! =D)
 They all should work, I don't have any problems with them. (haven't
 tested CZMQ yet...)

 I haven't decided what my next project is, but I LIKE working on these.
 And I think it's a shame that they are just sittin around, collecting
 dust...

 Will someone please tell me what needs to be done to get these into
 Deimos?

 Come on Andrei, give me a second chance. ; )
Not sure when I robbed you of the first one :o). Deimos is a very young initiative. We don't have a set process for it, and it needs critical mass to succeed. At this point I personally think we should have a low barrier of acceptance. Andrei
Nov 12 2011
parent reply Jude Young <10equals2 gmail.com> writes:
On Sat 12 Nov 2011 08:07:55 PM CST, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 11/12/11 7:34 PM, Jude Young wrote:
 Ok, guys..

 does anyone know the answers to these questions?

 I have ncurses, 0MQ(ZeroMQ? ZMQ?), and CZMQ(high-level C wrapper for
 0MQ).  (They aren't 100% mine, but I helped! =D)
 They all should work, I don't have any problems with them. (haven't
 tested CZMQ yet...)

 I haven't decided what my next project is, but I LIKE working on these.
 And I think it's a shame that they are just sittin around, collecting
 dust...

 Will someone please tell me what needs to be done to get these into
 Deimos?

 Come on Andrei, give me a second chance. ; )
Not sure when I robbed you of the first one :o). Deimos is a very young initiative. We don't have a set process for it, and it needs critical mass to succeed. At this point I personally think we should have a low barrier of acceptance. Andrei
It was meant as a joke, ncurses wasn't quite ready the first time I tried to get it in. Apparently the low barrier wasn't low enough the first time around. haha. Well, there may not be a set process, but I do see a completely empty repo labeled openssl. I will guarantee that mine are further along than that! =D Just give me a heads up when y'all are ready to start adding stuff.
Nov 12 2011
next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 11/12/2011 6:28 PM, Jude Young wrote:
 Well, there may not be a set process, but I do see a completely empty
 repo labeled openssl.
I've been working on the openssl stuff, but it ain't ready yet. I'm wondering if a work-in-progress would be worthwhile to put in it.
Nov 12 2011
next sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 11/12/11 8:46 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 11/12/2011 6:28 PM, Jude Young wrote:
 Well, there may not be a set process, but I do see a completely empty
 repo labeled openssl.
I've been working on the openssl stuff, but it ain't ready yet. I'm wondering if a work-in-progress would be worthwhile to put in it.
I think we should do all we can to avoid deimos becoming a stuff-that-almost-works graveyard. Andrei
Nov 12 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Jude Young <10equals2 gmail.com> writes:
No offense taken Andrei.

I completely understand where you were coming from.
It was presumptuous of me to attempt to get it in that quickly.

Walter,
zeromq is here: https://github.com/1100110/zeromq
It should be entirely up-to-date and correct.

I haven't encountered any bugs yet, and I'm currently trying to port 
the C examples in the ZMQ tutorial to D.

CZMQ compiles cleanly, but I don't trust it enough yet...
Nov 12 2011
prev sibling parent Jude Young <10equals2 gmail.com> writes:
Oops misinterpreted.
http://www.zeromq.org/
Nov 12 2011
prev sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 11/12/11 8:28 PM, Jude Young wrote:
 It was meant as a joke, ncurses wasn't quite ready the first time I
 tried to get it in.
 Apparently the low barrier wasn't low enough the first time around.
 haha.

 Well, there may not be a set process, but I do see a completely empty
 repo labeled openssl.
 I will guarantee that mine are further along than that! =D

 Just give me a heads up when y'all are ready to start adding stuff.
I think I remember now, thanks. It was something almost complete, almost done, and almost working. It was also coming from a very recent contributor. No offense, but we've had terrible experience with people who came out of nowhere, made "almost" contributions, and disappeared. I think we need a minimal assurance that the stuff is either 100% finished and deployable, or some clear track record of the submitter indicating that an incomplete first commit will be followed up. Thanks, Andrei
Nov 12 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 11/12/2011 5:34 PM, Jude Young wrote:
 I have ncurses,
https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/ncurses
Nov 12 2011
prev sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 11/12/2011 5:34 PM, Jude Young wrote:
 0MQ(ZeroMQ? ZMQ?), and CZMQ(high-level C wrapper for
 0MQ).
What are they? Homepage urls?
Nov 12 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 11/8/2011 5:47 AM, Steve Teale wrote:
 Walter's original CAPI Manifesto wanted straight translations of C
 headers. Is that still the boundary?
Yes.
 I have done mysql.d and that would be close to fitting in there,
Great!
 but I
 also did mysqld.d, and that is way off. It's not Phobos material because
 of license considerations, but it's considerably beyond being a
 translation of a C header file. Where would that go?
At the moment, there isn't a central place for it yet. For the time being, I'd recommend setting up your own github account for it.
 There are other pretty basic questions - who is the Deimos admin? How do
 you go about getting things in there?
The admins who can insert a new project are myself, Andrei, and Brad Roberts.
Nov 12 2011
prev sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 11/8/2011 5:47 AM, Steve Teale wrote:
 I have done mysql.d and that would be close to fitting in there,
https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/libmysql Full speed ahead!
Nov 12 2011
prev sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 11/8/2011 2:00 AM, mta`chrono wrote:
 Does anyone know the last state of Deimos? What are we going to use now.

 This: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/deimos
No
 Or that: https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/
Yes
Nov 12 2011
parent "JimB" <JimBean on.the.rocks> writes:
"Walter Bright" <newshound2 digitalmars.com> wrote in message 
news:j9n97j$t4a$1 digitalmars.com...
 On 11/8/2011 2:00 AM, mta`chrono wrote:
 Does anyone know the last state of Deimos? What are we going to use 
 now.

 This: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/deimos
No
 Or that: https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/
Yes
I can't help but notice your attention given to (i.e., where your mind is at these days?) to websites and such "technology". Is that what old compiler-writers do in retirement and where they go... and fade away...? I have a parallel thought on that (i.e., this scenario, be it "true" or not, reminds me of another scenario).
Nov 12 2011
prev sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 11/5/2011 2:28 AM, Johannes Pfau wrote:
 Now that deimos is an organization and we can't use pull requests, how
 do we get new bindings into deimos?

 I'd still like to get my liblzma bindings in there:
 https://github.com/jpf91/deimos/tree/liblzma
https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/liblzma Next step: create a pull request for it.
 And I still wonder whether we are allowed to bundle simple examples
 with the bindings:
 https://github.com/jpf91/deimos/tree/examples
 https://github.com/jpf91/deimos/blob/examples/examples/liblzma/xz_pipe_comp.d
I suppose if you make a subdirectory for them, that'd be fine.
Nov 12 2011
next sibling parent reply Johannes Pfau <spam example.com> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:
On 11/5/2011 2:28 AM, Johannes Pfau wrote:
 Now that deimos is an organization and we can't use pull requests,
 how do we get new bindings into deimos?

 I'd still like to get my liblzma bindings in there:
 https://github.com/jpf91/deimos/tree/liblzma
https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/liblzma Next step: create a pull request for it.
Thanks. My fork of that repository is here: https://github.com/jpf91/liblzma/ But I decided to keep the C headers in a special branch and github only allows to add one branch per pull request? Should I file 6 pull requests (2 branches + 4 tags) or is there a simpler way to merge this?
 And I still wonder whether we are allowed to bundle simple examples
 with the bindings:
 https://github.com/jpf91/deimos/tree/examples
 https://github.com/jpf91/deimos/blob/examples/examples/liblzma/xz_pipe_comp.d
I suppose if you make a subdirectory for them, that'd be fine.
-- Johannes Pfau
Nov 13 2011
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 11/13/2011 1:56 AM, Johannes Pfau wrote:
 Walter Bright wrote:
 On 11/5/2011 2:28 AM, Johannes Pfau wrote:
 Now that deimos is an organization and we can't use pull requests,
 how do we get new bindings into deimos?

 I'd still like to get my liblzma bindings in there:
 https://github.com/jpf91/deimos/tree/liblzma
https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/liblzma Next step: create a pull request for it.
Thanks. My fork of that repository is here: https://github.com/jpf91/liblzma/ But I decided to keep the C headers in a special branch and github only allows to add one branch per pull request? Should I file 6 pull requests (2 branches + 4 tags) or is there a simpler way to merge this?
Make a subdirectory called C and store the C .h files there.
Nov 13 2011
parent reply David Nadlinger <see klickverbot.at> writes:
On 11/13/11 11:13 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
 Make a subdirectory called C and store the C .h files there.
What is the point of keeping the C headers in a separate subdirectory? Johannes' automatic merging suggestion on d.D.announce seemed much more elegant to me, what's your opinion on that? David
Nov 13 2011
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 11/13/2011 1:30 PM, David Nadlinger wrote:
 On 11/13/11 11:13 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
 Make a subdirectory called C and store the C .h files there.
What is the point of keeping the C headers in a separate subdirectory?
So the user can compare the D ones with the correct C ones.
 Johannes'
 automatic merging suggestion on d.D.announce seemed much more elegant to me,
 what's your opinion on that?
I haven't looked at it yet.
Nov 13 2011
parent reply Jude Young <10equals2 gmail.com> writes:
Ok, I think that the ncurses bindings are about ready.
Just something to remember: ncurses is HUGE.

There are probably hidden bugs somewhere.  

So there are a few questions that I'd like answered before I send a 
pull request.
1. layout of the files.  I see that lzma is currently using C folder to 
house the C.h and deimos to house the .d files.
    Is this the standard that all of the repos should follow?  I have 
simply put the .d files in the top level.
    Which would be the preferred method?

2. What will be the criteria for deciding what gets into Deimos?  I 
understand not wanting to allow cruft and unsupportable bindings into 
Deimos, but at the same time, some of the projects would benefit
    from bug reports.

3. Can we get a set standard way to request that a new repo be added?  
I have ZeroMQ ready, but I'm a little unsure who to contact about 
adding it.  I don't really want to bother anyone...
Nov 14 2011
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 11/14/2011 5:54 AM, Jude Young wrote:
 Ok, I think that the ncurses bindings are about ready.
 Just something to remember: ncurses is HUGE.
The header files, too?
 There are probably hidden bugs somewhere.

 So there are a few questions that I'd like answered before I send a
 pull request.
 1. layout of the files.  I see that lzma is currently using C folder to
 house the C.h and deimos to house the .d files.
      Is this the standard that all of the repos should follow?  I have
 simply put the .d files in the top level.
      Which would be the preferred method?
The latter (.d files at the top level).
 2. What will be the criteria for deciding what gets into Deimos?  I
 understand not wanting to allow cruft and unsupportable bindings into
 Deimos, but at the same time, some of the projects would benefit
      from bug reports.
Deimos is for interfaces to publicly available C libraries. For inclusion to Deimos, those libraries ought to be notable, high quality, and reasonably well known, i.e. you can do an "apt get" for them on Ubuntu.
 3. Can we get a set standard way to request that a new repo be added?
 I have ZeroMQ ready, but I'm a little unsure who to contact about
 adding it.  I don't really want to bother anyone...
Just letting me, Andrei, or Brad know will do for now.
Nov 14 2011
next sibling parent Jude Young <10equals2 gmail.com> writes:
On Mon 14 Nov 2011 11:06:20 PM CST, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 11/14/2011 5:54 AM, Jude Young wrote:
 Ok, I think that the ncurses bindings are about ready.
 Just something to remember: ncurses is HUGE.
The header files, too?
Over 2000 lines of code in the curses.h file. Which wouldn't be a problem except quite a bit of it is preprocessor directives. When a large percentage of the functions are defined macros it can get very tedious very quickly. I'm not about to count the number of function declarations, but it looks to be over 300... just going by line numbers. I'd count that as huge, but maybe I simply don't have enough experience yet. hahah.
 The latter (.d files at the top level).
Great, cause that's what I did. =P
 Deimos is for interfaces to publicly available C libraries. For
 inclusion to Deimos, those libraries ought to be notable, high
 quality, and reasonably well known, i.e. you can do an "apt get" for
 them on Ubuntu.
I'll keep that in mind when looking for my next project. Ok, thank you for the time.
Nov 14 2011
prev sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-11-15 06:06, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 11/14/2011 5:54 AM, Jude Young wrote:
 Ok, I think that the ncurses bindings are about ready.
 Just something to remember: ncurses is HUGE.
The header files, too?
 There are probably hidden bugs somewhere.

 So there are a few questions that I'd like answered before I send a
 pull request.
 1. layout of the files. I see that lzma is currently using C folder to
 house the C.h and deimos to house the .d files.
 Is this the standard that all of the repos should follow? I have
 simply put the .d files in the top level.
 Which would be the preferred method?
The latter (.d files at the top level).
That doesn't sound like a good idea. I think there should be one top level package that has the same name as the library and but every D module in that directory, keeping any directory structure that the C headers have. Otherwise there will be a lot of conflicts. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Nov 14 2011
parent Jude Young <10equals2 gmail.com> writes:
On Tue 15 Nov 2011 01:58:21 AM CST, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
 On 2011-11-15 06:06, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 11/14/2011 5:54 AM, Jude Young wrote:
 Ok, I think that the ncurses bindings are about ready.
 Just something to remember: ncurses is HUGE.
The header files, too?
 There are probably hidden bugs somewhere.

 So there are a few questions that I'd like answered before I send a
 pull request.
 1. layout of the files. I see that lzma is currently using C folder to
 house the C.h and deimos to house the .d files.
 Is this the standard that all of the repos should follow? I have
 simply put the .d files in the top level.
 Which would be the preferred method?
The latter (.d files at the top level).
That doesn't sound like a good idea. I think there should be one top level package that has the same name as the library and but every D module in that directory, keeping any directory structure that the C headers have. Otherwise there will be a lot of conflicts.
conflicts how? I'd like to hear a simple example if you don't mind. I don't fully understand all of the implications..
Nov 15 2011
prev sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-11-13 04:00, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 11/5/2011 2:28 AM, Johannes Pfau wrote:
 Now that deimos is an organization and we can't use pull requests, how
 do we get new bindings into deimos?

 I'd still like to get my liblzma bindings in there:
 https://github.com/jpf91/deimos/tree/liblzma
https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos/liblzma Next step: create a pull request for it.
I have bindings for Ruby and Clang ready. I'm going to wait with the Clang bindings until they make a final release of 3.0, they're currently at release candidate 3. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Nov 13 2011
parent maarten van damme <maartenvd1994 gmail.com> writes:
will the bindings project from dsource be added?
Nov 13 2011