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digitalmars.D - Closed development with Trello?

reply simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> writes:
D has been following a very open development process.
There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?) have  
been moved to Trello.
It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search for  
boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?
Apr 20 2012
next sibling parent Jens Mueller <jens.k.mueller gmx.de> writes:
simendsjo wrote:
 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)
 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even
 search for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong
 direction.
 
 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?

It seems the boards can be made public (see Public Boards). https://trello.com/#board/trello-development/4d5ea62fd76aa1136000000c Jens
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Don Clugston <dac nospam.com> writes:
On 20/04/12 11:11, simendsjo wrote:
 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)
 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search
 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?

Nothing is happening on Trello AFAIK.
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?QWxleCBSw7hubmUgUGV0ZXJzZW4=?= <xtzgzorex gmail.com> writes:
On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:
 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)
 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search
 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?

The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK. Andrei? -- - Alex
Apr 20 2012
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 4/20/12 4:45 AM, Alex Rønne Petersen wrote:
 On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:
 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)
 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search
 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?

The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK. Andrei?

Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note that I don't own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it. Andrei
Apr 20 2012
next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2012-04-20 15:41, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note that I
 don't own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it.

Would you like to share the link(s) as well? -- /Jacob Carlborg
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 4/20/12 2:18 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:39:05 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote:

 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are involved in.
 No global search.

That's kind of silly. What is the point of having public boards if you can't find them? I found under the guide that private organizations will not show up in searches. I wonder if we can make it public... Andrei? I think that's the problem.

Ah, aha! I made the org public. Thanks for following through. Andrei
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 05:11:14 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote:

 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)  
 have been moved to Trello.

Don't kid yourself, people have yet AFAIK to use trello very much. Which is kind of disappointing, it's a nice tool.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search  
 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?

I think it can be made open for viewing even if it's not open for changing. You'd have to consult Andrei, as he owns all the boards. -Steve
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:41:20 +0200, Andrei Alexandrescu  =

<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:

 On 4/20/12 4:45 AM, Alex R=C3=B8nne Petersen wrote:
 On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:
 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github=



 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)=



 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even searc=



 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?

The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK. Andrei?

Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note that=

 don't own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it.

 Andrei

Thanks. Still need a link as there isn't a search function at trello.com=
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:41:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu  =

<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:

 On 4/20/12 4:45 AM, Alex R=C3=B8nne Petersen wrote:
 On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:
 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github=



 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)=



 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even searc=



 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?

The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK. Andrei?

Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note that=

 don't own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it.

Hm... I created the board, but I added you as an admin. I see you did = actually open it up, so it should be open for people to look at. On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:50:23 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> wrot= e:
 Thanks. Still need a link as there isn't a search function at trello.c=

huh? I see a search box up top? I didn't even know you could do a link= ... try searching for dlang -Steve
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:31:59 +0200, Steven Schveighoffer  =

<schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote:

 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:41:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu  =

 <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:

 On 4/20/12 4:45 AM, Alex R=C3=B8nne Petersen wrote:
 On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:
 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and githu=




 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?=




 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even sear=




 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?

The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK. Andrei?

Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note tha=


 I don't own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it.

Hm... I created the board, but I added you as an admin. I see you did=

 actually open it up, so it should be open for people to look at.

 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:50:23 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com>  =

 wrote:

 Thanks. Still need a link as there isn't a search function at trello.=


 huh?  I see a search box up top?  I didn't even know you could do a  =

 link...

 try searching for dlang

 -Steve

"No results". It seems to only search for boards you are involved in. No= = global search.
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> writes:
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On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:39 AM, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote:

 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:31:59 +0200, Steven Schveighoffer <
 schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote:

  On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:41:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu <
 SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org**> wrote:

  On 4/20/12 4:45 AM, Alex R=F8nne Petersen wrote:
 On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:

 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)
 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search
 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?

The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK. Andrei?

Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note that =



 don't own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it.

Hm... I created the board, but I added you as an admin. I see you did actually open it up, so it should be open for people to look at. On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:50:23 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote: Thanks. Still need a link as there isn't a search function at trello.co=



huh? I see a search box up top? I didn't even know you could do a link... try searching for dlang -Steve

"No results". It seems to only search for boards you are involved in. No global search.

I found the roadmap: https://trello.com/board/roadmap/4f15dd5edc12a90c6f172baa There's a 2.058 board too: https://trello.com/board/2-058-started-2011-12-13-2751-issues-of-which-25-r= egressions-18-blocker-45-critical-158-major/4f1b347378e9431a08005917 I use Trello's own development board model (slightly modified) at work and my bosses and I all seem to like it. I think it's better than the one board per version approach as it handles progress on something that doesn't get completed in time for a release. Take a look at it here: https://trello.com/board/trello-development/4d5ea62fd76aa1136000000c --f46d042d059659560104be1e96bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:39 AM, simendsjo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D= "mailto:simendsjo gmail.com">simendsjo gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><= div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin= :0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:31:59 +0200,= Steven Schveighoffer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:schveiguy yahoo.com" target=3D"= _blank">schveiguy yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:41:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu &lt;<a href=3D"mail= to:SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org" target=3D"_blank">SeeWebsiteForEmail erda= ni.org</a><u></u>&gt; wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On 4/20/12 4:45 AM, Alex R=F8nne Petersen wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> D has been following a very open development process.<br> There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.<br> But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)<br> have been moved to Trello.<br> It doesn&#39;t seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search<b= r> for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.<br> <br> Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?<br> </blockquote> <br> The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK.<br> <br> Andrei?<br> </blockquote> <br> Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note that I do= n&#39;t own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it.<br> </blockquote> <br> Hm... I created the board, but I added you as an admin. =A0I see you did ac= tually open it up, so it should be open for people to look at.<br> <br> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:50:23 -0400, simendsjo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simends= jo gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">simendsjo gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Thanks. Still need a link as there isn&#39;t a search function at <a href= =3D"http://trello.com" target=3D"_blank">trello.com</a><br> </blockquote> <br> huh? =A0I see a search box up top? =A0I didn&#39;t even know you could do a= link...<br> <br> try searching for dlang<br> <br> -Steve<br> </blockquote> <br></div></div> &quot;No results&quot;. It seems to only search for boards you are involved= in. No global search.<br> </blockquote></div><br><div>I found the roadmap:=A0<a href=3D"https://trell= o.com/board/roadmap/4f15dd5edc12a90c6f172baa">https://trello.com/board/road= map/4f15dd5edc12a90c6f172baa</a></div><div><br></div><div>There&#39;s a 2.0= 58 board too:=A0<a href=3D"https://trello.com/board/2-058-started-2011-12-1= 3-2751-issues-of-which-25-regressions-18-blocker-45-critical-158-major/4f1b= 347378e9431a08005917">https://trello.com/board/2-058-started-2011-12-13-275= 1-issues-of-which-25-regressions-18-blocker-45-critical-158-major/4f1b34737= 8e9431a08005917</a></div> <div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I use Trello&#39;s own development board= model (slightly modified) at work and my bosses and I all seem to like it.= =A0I think it&#39;s better than the one board per version approach as it h= andles progress on something that doesn&#39;t get completed in time for a r= elease. Take a look at it here:</div> <div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://trello.com/board/trello-development/= 4d5ea62fd76aa1136000000c">https://trello.com/board/trello-development/4d5ea= 62fd76aa1136000000c</a> </div> --f46d042d059659560104be1e96bc--
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:39:05 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote:

 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are involved in. No  
 global search.

That's kind of silly. What is the point of having public boards if you can't find them? I found under the guide that private organizations will not show up in searches. I wonder if we can make it public... Andrei? I think that's the problem. Brad found two boards for d, I'm assuming by searching for members. It appears that no boards show up in searches. But if dlang shows up after we make it public, that's a moot issue. Aside from the ones you found, Brad, there is: https://trello.com/board/phobos-review-queue/4f33d3c6542c156960533efb and the one for the 2.059 release, which is marked as private. If whoever owns the organization wants to give me admin rights I'll gladly help maintain these sorts of things. I probably won't be creating release boards, but I can help manage members and make sure the permissions are set properly. -Steve
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Brad Anderson" <eco gnuk.net> writes:
On Friday, 20 April 2012 at 20:42:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
 On 4/20/12 2:18 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:39:05 -0400, simendsjo 
 <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote:

 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are 
 involved in.
 No global search.

That's kind of silly. What is the point of having public boards if you can't find them? I found under the guide that private organizations will not show up in searches. I wonder if we can make it public... Andrei? I think that's the problem.

Ah, aha! I made the org public. Thanks for following through. Andrei

And here is the link: https://trello.com/dlang (searching "dlang" still doesn't pull up anything...not sure what the search is even for). Regards, Brad Anderson
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:44:16 -0400, Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> wrote:

 On Friday, 20 April 2012 at 20:42:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 4/20/12 2:18 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:39:05 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com>  
 wrote:

 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are involved in.
 No global search.

That's kind of silly. What is the point of having public boards if you can't find them? I found under the guide that private organizations will not show up in searches. I wonder if we can make it public... Andrei? I think that's the problem.

Ah, aha! I made the org public. Thanks for following through. Andrei

And here is the link: https://trello.com/dlang (searching "dlang" still doesn't pull up anything...not sure what the search is even for).

Cool (about the dlang, that's an easy-to-use link). I agree, the search is largely useless for finding things you don't know about. But I think it does search in boards/cards/orgs you belong to. There should *definitely* be a way to search for public orgs. This link should probably be put on dlang.org somewhere... -Steve
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:50:30 +0200, Steven Schveighoffer  
<schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote:

 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:44:16 -0400, Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> wrote:

 On Friday, 20 April 2012 at 20:42:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 4/20/12 2:18 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:39:05 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com>  
 wrote:

 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are involved in.
 No global search.

That's kind of silly. What is the point of having public boards if you can't find them? I found under the guide that private organizations will not show up in searches. I wonder if we can make it public... Andrei? I think that's the problem.

Ah, aha! I made the org public. Thanks for following through. Andrei

And here is the link: https://trello.com/dlang (searching "dlang" still doesn't pull up anything...not sure what the search is even for).

Cool (about the dlang, that's an easy-to-use link). I agree, the search is largely useless for finding things you don't know about. But I think it does search in boards/cards/orgs you belong to. There should *definitely* be a way to search for public orgs. This link should probably be put on dlang.org somewhere... -Steve

A quite questionable design to not let public boards be searchable.. The Community section of dlang.org has links to github, wiki, forums, review queue etc. What about replacing "Review Queue" to link to trello with a new text: "Development" or "Language and Library Development"?
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Jonas Drewsen" <jdrewsen nospam.com> writes:
On Friday, 20 April 2012 at 20:42:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
 On 4/20/12 2:18 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:39:05 -0400, simendsjo 
 <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote:

 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are 
 involved in.
 No global search.

That's kind of silly. What is the point of having public boards if you can't find them? I found under the guide that private organizations will not show up in searches. I wonder if we can make it public... Andrei? I think that's the problem.

Ah, aha! I made the org public. Thanks for following through. Andrei

I tried to add myself to the review manager volunteer card. It seems I have to be member of the org in order to do that. Can you add me? /Jonas (trello member: Jonas Drewsen)
Apr 24 2012
prev sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 08:43:18 UTC, Jonas Drewsen wrote:
 I tried to add myself to the review manager volunteer card. It 
 seems I have to be member of the org in order to do that. Can 
 you add me?

I was going to add you, but looks like you are already added (Andrei must have done it). You can be added to the Phobos review board without being a member of dlang, but only if an admin of that board does it. The setting is that only members of the organization can add *themselves* to the board but an admin can always add anyone. I think this makes sense, if you disagree, let's discuss! -Steve
Apr 24 2012