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reply Manuel Maier <mjmaier gmx.de> writes:
As some of you may know, there is a dmd package on the chocolatey 
community feed: https://chocolatey.org/packages/dmd

This makes it as easy as saying...

choco install dmd

... to get dmd on ones machine (once chocolatey is up and 
running). Unfortunately, this package is well behind the actual 
latest release of dmd.

I'm currently adding new packages to chocolatey for ldc and 
dmd.install (i.e. using the dmd windows installer) that update 
completely automatically using AppVeyor and scheduled builds.

The ldc package seems to work fine so far, since it's just a 
simple zip file and I can pick up the latest version easily on 
github 
(https://api.github.com/repos/ldc-developers/ldc/releases/latest). It's already
submitted to the chocolatey community and just needs to be reviewed by a
moderator (see here: https://chocolatey.org/packages/ldc).

The dmd.install package, however, is unable to run completely 
silent, even when I pass /S. This is because the NSIS scripts 
prompt the user for input with message boxes, ignoring whether 
the package was invoked as silent or not. For that reason I have 
created this pull request: 
https://github.com/dlang/installer/pull/272

The dmd.install chocolatey package can be found here: 
https://chocolatey.org/packages/dmd.install

I've asked the current maintainer of the dmd chocolatey package 
to add me as an additional maintainer so that I can include the 
non-installer version of dmd as an automatically updated package 
(using http://downloads.dlang.org/releases/LATEST). I also plan 
to add older versions of dmd for people that require specific 
versions of dmd.

And finally I also plan to do this for gdc, but I haven't begun 
work with that one yet. But I think that won't be a problem.

Once all this is up and running, I'll post an announcement about 
all this. Thought I'd just share what's going on. :)
Nov 25 2017
parent reply Atila Neves <atila.neves gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 25 November 2017 at 23:38:06 UTC, Manuel Maier wrote:

 As some of you may know, there is a dmd package on the 
 chocolatey community feed: https://chocolatey.org/packages/dmd

 [...]


Thanks for the work. And ugh about the installer requiring user 
intervention, I was literally just about to write a script to 
install dmd on a Windows dev box, remembered I saw something 
about chocolatey in the NG, and came here to read. Not happy with 
the current state of affairs...

I reviewed your PR, but I have no merge rights on that repo.

Atila
Nov 28 2017
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2017-11-28 10:09, Atila Neves wrote:


 Thanks for the work. And ugh about the installer requiring user 
 intervention, I was literally just about to write a script to install 
 dmd on a Windows dev box, remembered I saw something about chocolatey in 
 the NG, and came here to read. Not happy with the current state of 
 affairs...


You can install DMD on Windows using DVM [1].

[1] https://github.com/jacob-carlborg/dvm

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Nov 28 2017
parent reply Manuel Maier <mjmaier gmx.de> writes:
On Tuesday, 28 November 2017 at 17:25:35 UTC, Jacob Carlborg 
wrote:

 On 2017-11-28 10:09, Atila Neves wrote:


 Thanks for the work. And ugh about the installer requiring 
 user intervention, I was literally just about to write a 
 script to install dmd on a Windows dev box, remembered I saw 
 something about chocolatey in the NG, and came here to read. 
 Not happy with the current state of affairs...


 You can install DMD on Windows using DVM [1].

 [1] https://github.com/jacob-carlborg/dvm


I didn't know about that tool yet, but I like the idea! However, 
when I played around with it just now, I ran into the "Cannot 
find dmd-2.0.x.x.bat file" issue [1]. And yes, I misread the 
installation instructions (thought it said "run <dvm> install 
dmd"). Then, once dvm was properly installed, I didn't get that 
message anymore. I tried installing dmd 2.076.0 and it apparently 
succeeded in that, but `dvm use 2.076.0` didn't appear to do 
anything... So all in all the application seems quite rough 
around the edges and doensn't _feel_ very reliable.

Another thing I don't think it does is patching the sc.ini with 
Visual Studio environment variables, like the dmd installer does.

[1] https://github.com/jacob-carlborg/dvm/issues/36
Nov 28 2017
next sibling parent reply rjframe <dlang ryanjframe.com> writes:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 19:04:06 +0000, Manuel Maier wrote:


 I didn't know about that tool yet, but I like the idea! However, when I
 played around with it just now, I ran into the "Cannot find
 dmd-2.0.x.x.bat file" issue [1]. And yes, I misread the installation
 instructions (thought it said "run <dvm> install dmd"). Then, once dvm
 was properly installed, I didn't get that message anymore. I tried
 installing dmd 2.076.0 and it apparently succeeded in that, but `dvm use
 2.076.0` didn't appear to do anything... So all in all the application
 seems quite rough around the edges and doensn't _feel_ very reliable.
 
 Another thing I don't think it does is patching the sc.ini with Visual
 Studio environment variables, like the dmd installer does.
 
 [1] https://github.com/jacob-carlborg/dvm/issues/36


dvm works well with cmd; not so much with Powershell.

In Powershell, the current directory and working directory are separate; 
`cd` outside your home folder and execute `Get-Location` and 
'[environment]::CurrentDirectory` to see them both. Powershell lets you do 
things like set a registry key (and other non-filesystem objects) as your 
working directory (`cd HKLM:\SOFTWARE; ls`)

This feature is often useful and often annoying, like when using pretty 
much any application ever written, which generally use the working 
directory of the parent process (your home folder) [I could be wrong here; 
dvm builds paths from %APPDATA%, which is in the home folder, but this is 
the only path issue I know of in Powershell].

The dmd-2.y.z.bat files should be in your path after installing a compiler 
with dvm, so if you're using dub you can still do `dub build --
compiler=dmd-2.y.z` to choose your compiler (and autocomplete will tell 
you what you have installed), or if you call dmd directly just call the 
script and it will pass the arguments forward.
Nov 28 2017
parent reply Manuel Maier <mjmaier gmx.de> writes:
On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 at 01:49:00 UTC, rjframe wrote:

 dvm works well with cmd; not so much with Powershell.


Indeed, I was using powershell! Using cmd now and suddenly it all 
works.


 In Powershell, the current directory and working directory are 
 separate; `cd` outside your home folder and execute 
 `Get-Location` and '[environment]::CurrentDirectory` to see 
 them both. Powershell lets you do things like set a registry 
 key (and other non-filesystem objects) as your working 
 directory (`cd HKLM:\SOFTWARE; ls`)


I've actually come across this myself a couple times already, 
though I didn't really investigate what the cause of it was. Well 
now I know.

Thanks for pointing this out! Maybe it would be worthwhile to add 
some kind of "FAQ" or "Troubleshooting" section to the GitHub 
README of dvm.
Nov 29 2017
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2017-11-29 21:44, Manuel Maier wrote:


 Thanks for pointing this out! Maybe it would be worthwhile to add some 
 kind of "FAQ" or "Troubleshooting" section to the GitHub README of dvm.


Done: https://github.com/jacob-carlborg/dvm#limitations

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Nov 30 2017
parent Manuel Maier <mjmaier gmx.de> writes:
On Thursday, 30 November 2017 at 10:53:02 UTC, Jacob Carlborg 
wrote:

 Done: https://github.com/jacob-carlborg/dvm#limitations


That's great, thanks!
Nov 30 2017
prev sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2017-11-28 20:04, Manuel Maier wrote:


 I didn't know about that tool yet, but I like the idea! However, when I 
 played around with it just now, I ran into the "Cannot find 
 dmd-2.0.x.x.bat file" issue [1]. And yes, I misread the installation 
 instructions (thought it said "run <dvm> install dmd"). Then, once dvm 
 was properly installed, I didn't get that message anymore. I tried 
 installing dmd 2.076.0 and it apparently succeeded in that, but `dvm use 
 2.076.0` didn't appear to do anything... So all in all the application 
 seems quite rough around the edges and doensn't _feel_ very reliable.


Please try using cmd instead of PowerShell. BTW, setting a default 
compiler in cmd using "dmd use <version> -d" will also set it as default 
for PowerShell. But the standard "use" command doesn't seem to work.


 Another thing I don't think it does is patching the sc.ini with Visual 
 Studio environment variables, like the dmd installer does.


No, it basically only extracts the downloaded archive.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Nov 29 2017
parent reply Manuel Maier <mjmaier gmx.de> writes:
On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 at 16:04:04 UTC, Jacob Carlborg 
wrote:

 On 2017-11-28 20:04, Manuel Maier wrote:

 Another thing I don't think it does is patching the sc.ini 
 with Visual Studio environment variables, like the dmd 
 installer does.


 No, it basically only extracts the downloaded archive.


That's the one nice thing about the dmd installer, it takes care 
of setting up the default environment for you if it detects 
Visual Studio to be installed. I think this is most useful for 
Windows people coming from Visual Studio who are used to having 
the environment being set up for them.

I myself am one of these people, but I don't entirely endorse the 
way Visual Studio solves this problem. I need to decide to either 
use the Visual Studio GUI, or use one of the "x86 Native Tools 
Command Prompt" links, or seek out the batch file that sets up 
the environment for me. So it basically forces you to choose 
between devenv (which takes a million years to boot) and cmd 
(which is not what I'd call a inconvenient terminal). The only 
other option is to basically emulate the VsDevCmd.bat script and 
manually gather all the necessary info (the very thing the dmd 
installer does if I'm not mistaken).

If you're not using the digital mars linker, you still have those 
age old workflow problems, regardless of whether it's C++ or D. 
And that bugs me quite a bit. I'd love to see a clean solution 
where the developer has the choice of which environment to use, 
can quickly switch between these environments, and is able to put 
them in some kind of manifest to be checked into a git repo or 
something alike to be shared with fellow developers and CI 
systems.

P.S.: Sorry for the ranting...
Nov 29 2017
parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2017-11-29 22:16, Manuel Maier wrote:


 That's the one nice thing about the dmd installer, it takes care of 
 setting up the default environment for you if it detects Visual Studio 
 to be installed.


At one point DVM did modify the sc.ini/dmd.conf but for different 
reasons. But it turned out to be a source of bugs because the upstream 
config was quite often changed, at the point.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Nov 30 2017