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reply Tower Ty <towerty msn.com.au> writes:
"4) Run documentation compilation with candy.ddoc and modules.ddoc specified
       on command line."

Can anyone tell me exactly what this means ? Its pretty cryptic

Should it be "dsss build -Dddoc -candy.ddoc -modules.ddoc" .......don't think so
No further explanation given in the documentation?
Mar 23 2008
next sibling parent reply Milke Wey <no.spam example.com> writes:
On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 17:54 -0400, Tower Ty wrote:
 "4) Run documentation compilation with candy.ddoc and modules.ddoc specified
        on command line."
 
 Can anyone tell me exactly what this means ? Its pretty cryptic
 
 Should it be "dsss build -Dddoc -candy.ddoc -modules.ddoc" .......don't think
so
 No further explanation given in the documentation?

If you are using dsss only --doc is needed for Candydoc documentation. dsss build --doc or if you don't have a dsss.conf dsss build somefile.d --doc -- Mike Wey
Mar 24 2008
parent Michael Scheider <michaelschneider dodgeit.com> writes:
Don't feed the Troll.
Mar 24 2008
prev sibling parent reply BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Does anyone known of a regex that matches any name used by someone with a 
legal name of "Ty Tower"? I'm starting to get tired of adding alias to my 
ignore list.
Mar 24 2008
next sibling parent Tower Ty <towerty msn.com.au> writes:
BCS Wrote:

 Does anyone known of a regex that matches any name used by someone with a 
 legal name of "Ty Tower"? I'm starting to get tired of adding alias to my 
 ignore list.
 
 

Mar 25 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent Christopher Wright <dhasenan gmail.com> writes:
BCS wrote:
 Does anyone known of a regex that matches any name used by someone with 
 a legal name of "Ty Tower"? I'm starting to get tired of adding alias to 
 my ignore list.
 
 

[(Tower)(Ty)\s]{2,3} ? Untested.
Mar 25 2008
prev sibling parent reply Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> writes:
BCS wrote:
 Does anyone known of a regex that matches any name used by someone with 
 a legal name of "Ty Tower"? I'm starting to get tired of adding alias to 
 my ignore list.

(This is in general, not against BCS. :-) ) Not that I'm endorsing his writings/attitude, but one has to give Ty credit for not hiding his identity. It happens that some folks have a few beers before writing, and intermittently that happens to quite many of us. (Who can say they've _never_ written here after a couple of beers?) Other times, some people just have to take some time adjusting to a new group of people, and that's not even uncommon with "computer folks". Let's just give him some slack, for the time being. I think any non-contentious or non-offending posts (i.e. serious) should be answered, no matter who is writing them.
Mar 25 2008
next sibling parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Georg Wrede" <georg nospam.org> wrote in message 
news:47E9526D.8010109 nospam.org...

 Other times, some people just have to take some time adjusting to a new 
 group of people, and that's not even uncommon with "computer folks". Let's 
 just give him some slack, for the time being.

I don't give racists slack.
Mar 25 2008
parent Ty Tower <tytower hotmail.com.au> writes:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:

 "Georg Wrede" <georg nospam.org> wrote in message
 news:47E9526D.8010109 nospam.org...
 
 Other times, some people just have to take some time adjusting to a
 new group of people, and that's not even uncommon with "computer
 folks". Let's just give him some slack, for the time being.

I don't give racists slack.

Typical -It kept your ancestors alive for millions of years and in the last 50 you let them down clown
Mar 25 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Simen Kjaeraas" <simen.kjaras gmail.com> writes:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:28:45 +0100, Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> wrote:

 It happens that some folks have a few beers before writing, and  
 intermittently that happens to quite many of us. (Who can say they've  
 _never_ written here after a couple of beers?)

I can. I don't drink beer. :p A few glasses of wine and spirits, though... More on topic: A troll is a troll. When it has proven no longer to be a troll, it should no longer be treated as one. -- Simen
Mar 25 2008
parent reply Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> writes:
Simen Kjrs wrote:
 On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:28:45 +0100, Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> wrote:
 
 It happens that some folks have a few beers before writing, and  
 intermittently that happens to quite many of us. (Who can say they've  
 _never_ written here after a couple of beers?)

I can. I don't drink beer. :p A few glasses of wine and spirits, though... More on topic: A troll is a troll. When it has proven no longer to be a troll, it should no longer be treated as one.

Exactly my point, thank you! For some others, responding to even reasonable posts with "Don't feed the Troll", or "F**k [whatever]", will not defuse the situation. Heck, even a normal poster would react aggressively if the Small, Young, or New would horde against a reasonable post with such improper conduct -- thus announcing they're no better themselves. How could a Troll ever become anything else than a Troll if every post is met with abuse, disrespect and profanities? It's not like a Troll is something one is born and destined with. Besides, this is Walter's country!! So, to earn the right to mob or abuse others, one should need Walter's explicit approval. If he considers someone unwelcome to this forum, I'm sure Walter or Jan Knepper would figure out how to exclude them in no time at all.
Mar 25 2008
next sibling parent "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Georg Wrede" <georg nospam.org> wrote in message 
news:47E97E9D.8070209 nospam.org...

 How could a Troll ever become anything else than a Troll if every post is 
 met with abuse, disrespect and profanities?

 It's not like a Troll is something one is born and destined with.

Except that Ty Tower is actively an asshole. It's not like we met his posts with derision from the start. It's only after he's acted like a toddler for a good month that we've gotten to the point where we've decided that he's no longer worth dealing with. All I'm saying is -- if he's a nice person, it sure as hell doesn't show, and furthermore, it's not my job to perform rehabilitation on a chronic troll. If he wants to be treated better, he should treat others better. People _did_ treat him with respect and he bit their head off. It goes both ways.
Mar 25 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Georg Wrede" <georg nospam.org> wrote in message 
news:47E97E9D.8070209 nospam.org...
 Simen Kjrs wrote:
 On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:28:45 +0100, Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> wrote:

 It happens that some folks have a few beers before writing, and 
 intermittently that happens to quite many of us. (Who can say they've 
 _never_ written here after a couple of beers?)

I can. I don't drink beer. :p A few glasses of wine and spirits, though... More on topic: A troll is a troll. When it has proven no longer to be a troll, it should no longer be treated as one.

Exactly my point, thank you! For some others, responding to even reasonable posts with "Don't feed the Troll", or "F**k [whatever]", will not defuse the situation. Heck, even a normal poster would react aggressively if the Small, Young, or New would horde against a reasonable post with such improper conduct -- thus announcing they're no better themselves. How could a Troll ever become anything else than a Troll if every post is met with abuse, disrespect and profanities? It's not like a Troll is something one is born and destined with. Besides, this is Walter's country!! So, to earn the right to mob or abuse others, one should need Walter's explicit approval. If he considers someone unwelcome to this forum, I'm sure Walter or Jan Knepper would figure out how to exclude them in no time at all.

(note: humorous.) Maybe I can see where you're coming from, if you're thinking something like this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 ;)
Mar 25 2008
parent reply Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> writes:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
 (note: humorous.)
 
 Maybe I can see where you're coming from, if you're thinking something like 
 this:
 
 http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

What can I say? :-) "Treat a Troll like a Troll, and he'll stay that way." and "Treat somebody regular and innocent like a Troll, and he'll become a Troll."
Mar 25 2008
parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Georg Wrede" <georg nospam.org> wrote in message 
news:47E99496.1010604 nospam.org...
 Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
 (note: humorous.)

 Maybe I can see where you're coming from, if you're thinking something 
 like this:

 http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

What can I say? :-) "Treat a Troll like a Troll, and he'll stay that way." and "Treat somebody regular and innocent like a Troll, and he'll become a Troll."

I suppose you are then implying: "Treat a Troll like a regular person, and he'll become a regular person." ? I find that terribly hard to believe, given my experience over the years..
Mar 25 2008
next sibling parent BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Jarrett,

 "Georg Wrede" <georg nospam.org> wrote in message
 news:47E99496.1010604 nospam.org...
 
 Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
 
 (note: humorous.)
 
 Maybe I can see where you're coming from, if you're thinking
 something like this:
 
 http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
 

"Treat a Troll like a Troll, and he'll stay that way."

"Treat a Troll like a regular person, and he'll become a regular person."

Add "or go way... sooner or later... pro'ly later" and that works.
Mar 25 2008
prev sibling parent Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> writes:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
 I suppose you are then implying:
 
 "Treat a Troll like a regular person, and he'll become a regular person."

Heh, I guess that's exactly what I'm saying...
 I find that terribly hard to believe, given my experience over the years.. 

I know. But it can't result in worse than treating a Troll like a Troll. :-)
Mar 26 2008
prev sibling parent reply Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:
 Simen Kjrs wrote:
 On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:28:45 +0100, Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> wrote:

the Troll", or "F**k [whatever]", will not defuse the situation. Heck, even a normal poster would react aggressively if the Small, Young, or New would horde against a reasonable post with such improper conduct -- thus announcing they're no better themselves. How could a Troll ever become anything else than a Troll if every post is met with abuse, disrespect and profanities?

The first step to a Troll becoming a non-Troll is to apologize for past trolling behavior. I agree, though, that ignoring Trolls is more productive than hurling insults at them. --bb
Mar 25 2008
parent reply Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> writes:
Bill Baxter wrote:
 I agree, though, that ignoring Trolls is more productive than hurling
  insults at them.

Right.
 The first step to a Troll becoming a non-Troll is to apologize for
 past trolling behavior.

Hmm. This is akin to the 12-year-old mentality, i.e., expecting that they suddenly display maturity above that of the average poster here, before they can be forgiven. It would mean that we are capable (either alone or with the crowd gathering with us, against them) to make the Troll's life so miserable that he has no choice but to bow down, become humiliated, and beg for forgiveness. This is the behaviour I see all the early morning cartoons teaching my three kids: after an Epic Fight, the Hero states "Now you either crawl and apologize, or I'll Righteously Behead you!!! What's it gonna be?" My kids have watched those every morning (7 days a week, living at my ex-wive's). I wouldn't be surprised if they'd behave like this as adolescents or even adults in a newsgroup. Wanna guess if I think G. Bush grew up watching this kind of cartoons? Personally Conjuring up the "Axis of Evil" would be a logical result of this mind set. ("There's those that are with us, and the rest are Against Us. If you're not our Friend, then you're our Enemy". Good grief. As if nations, states, corporations, or individuals would only be Good or Evil, with nothing in between. Gee, so which is it, is your brother or your mother Evil or Good? Oh, sorry, but this is a yes/no question, with no other alternatives.) --- My take on how to address any Troll (especially /not/ talking about Ty, but very much in general), is to give them time. They'll calm down, once they feel that the community is not grouping on them. -- And, if they still don't, then it's time for some action. This action would obviously be to ignore them. But still, only as far as the uncalled-for posts are concerned. If the same "troll" writes some "serious" or "proper" entries in the NG, those entries should be answered with appropriate correctness, that is, as if they'd been written by anybody else. And the posts the "troll" writes that aren't correct, THOSE should be silently ignored (and not even ridiculed or challenged or offended). Simply ignored. --- "Let every post earn its answers."
Mar 25 2008
next sibling parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Georg Wrede" <georg nospam.org> wrote in message 
news:47E99C94.3090601 nospam.org...

 Wanna guess if I think G. Bush grew up watching this kind of cartoons? 
 Personally Conjuring up the "Axis of Evil" would be a logical result of 
 this mind set. ("There's those that are with us, and the rest are Against 
 Us. If you're not our Friend, then you're our Enemy". Good grief. As if 
 nations, states, corporations, or individuals would only be Good or Evil, 
 with nothing in between. Gee, so which is it, is your brother or your 
 mother Evil or Good? Oh, sorry, but this is a yes/no question, with no 
 other alternatives.)

Please don't bring up politics. Anything but that.
Mar 25 2008
next sibling parent BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Jarrett,

 Please don't bring up politics.  Anything but that.
 

DANG you, I was going to say that! <G> but, ditto.
Mar 25 2008
prev sibling parent Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> writes:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
 "Georg Wrede" <georg nospam.org> wrote
 
Wanna guess if I think G. Bush grew up watching this kind of cartoons? 
Personally Conjuring up the "Axis of Evil" would be a logical result of 
this mind set. ("There's those that are with us, and the rest are Against 
Us. If you're not our Friend, then you're our Enemy". Good grief. As if 
nations, states, corporations, or individuals would only be Good or Evil, 
with nothing in between. Gee, so which is it, is your brother or your 
mother Evil or Good? Oh, sorry, but this is a yes/no question, with no 
other alternatives.)

Please don't bring up politics. Anything but that.

My bad. Sorry.
Mar 26 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent Christopher Wright <dhasenan gmail.com> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:
 Bill Baxter wrote:
 I agree, though, that ignoring Trolls is more productive than hurling
  insults at them.

Right.
 The first step to a Troll becoming a non-Troll is to apologize for
 past trolling behavior.

Hmm. This is akin to the 12-year-old mentality, i.e., expecting that they suddenly display maturity above that of the average poster here, before they can be forgiven.

It's not a matter of forgiveness. If someone insulted me repeatedly, I wouldn't forgive them, I wouldn't help them out, and I would either ignore them, or if that were impossible, try to get them to shut up. If they later behaved nicely to me, consistently for a reasonable period, I might then ignore their past behavior. On the other hand, after a month of ruining his reputation, it'd take probably half a year for me to stop filtering his posts. But flaming him just clutters the newsgroup.
 My take on how to address any Troll (especially /not/ talking about Ty, 
 but very much in general), is to give them time. They'll calm down, once 
 they feel that the community is not grouping on them. -- And, if they 
 still don't, then it's time for some action.

It's a matter of how much patience you have. I don't think any reasonable person would make racist comments at random to people on a newsgroup with good intentions. So, in Ty Tower's case, the only conclusion is that he has ill intentions. And in that case, I think he deserves no patience.
 This action would obviously be to ignore them.
 
 But still, only as far as the uncalled-for posts are concerned. If the 
 same "troll" writes some "serious" or "proper" entries in the NG, those 
 entries should be answered with appropriate correctness, that is, as if 
 they'd been written by anybody else. And the posts the "troll" writes 
 that aren't correct, THOSE should be silently ignored (and not even 
 ridiculed or challenged or offended). Simply ignored.

The only reason I would agree with you is that other people might see the archives with the same question and want an answer, not a bunch of "go home, troll" posts.
Mar 25 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Georg,

 Bill Baxter wrote:
 
 I agree, though, that ignoring Trolls is more productive than hurling
 insults at them.
 

 The first step to a Troll becoming a non-Troll is to apologize for
 past trolling behavior.
 

they suddenly display maturity above that of the average poster here, before they can be forgiven.

I don't actually care if a troll apologizes but it does make a good point for looking at a few posts and seeing if they are acting different.
Mar 25 2008
prev sibling parent Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:
 Bill Baxter wrote:
 I agree, though, that ignoring Trolls is more productive than hurling
  insults at them.

Right.
 The first step to a Troll becoming a non-Troll is to apologize for
 past trolling behavior.

Hmm. This is akin to the 12-year-old mentality, i.e., expecting that they suddenly display maturity above that of the average poster here, before they can be forgiven.

No, it is really nothing of the sort. If you care to send me your email address I'd be happy to discuss with you over email why I disagree. --bb
Mar 25 2008
prev sibling next sibling parent Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:
 
 It happens that some folks have a few beers before writing, and 
 intermittently that happens to quite many of us. (Who can say they've 
 _never_ written here after a couple of beers?)
 

People who don't drink alcohol, for starters. :] -- Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D
Mar 25 2008
prev sibling parent reply Frank Benoit <keinfarbton googlemail.com> writes:
Georg Wrede schrieb:
 Not that I'm endorsing his writings/attitude, but one has to give Ty 
 credit for not hiding his identity.

Are you really sure about the identity part? I think even with this measurement, he does not deserve credit.
Mar 26 2008
parent reply Ty Tower <tytower hotmail.com.au> writes:
Frank Benoit wrote:

 Georg Wrede schrieb:
 Not that I'm endorsing his writings/attitude, but one has to give
 Ty credit for not hiding his identity.

Are you really sure about the identity part? I think even with this measurement, he does not deserve credit.

Look above for a list of the real wankers on this NG Don't waste your time Georg just ignore them . I can see at least you don't follow like a sheep. A fox on the edge is a far better way. "We few . We happy few. We band of brothers" Henry V As for Billingsley , another kid starting out with a big mouth and ill-considered values -probably black ? from Pittsburgh. Racism is not an issue until suddenly you experience it with a new neighbour , then values change and the mouth slows down Poor old Dad couldn't resist # By Kris Billingsley on Aug 21, 2007 That’s my boy! Yes, I’m the proud Dad of this Jarrett person. Jarrett surpassed my self taught programming skills when he was 13 or 14. I supported my family for many years using languages we don’t want to get into here. My boy will go far. I’m so proud I could burst my buttons. Please excuse me… And this tells me he tends to fall in love with men ! so watch your backs. Your DSource profile says you are a CS student. Which year are you in now? What is the most interesting course you’ve taken so far? I’m currently a CS student at the University of Pittsburgh. I’ve just completed my second year, so if all goes well I should have two years left, unless I decide to go to graduate school. So far, most of the classes I’ve taken in CS have been introductory classes — programming, some computational theory, logic. They reserve most of the fun classes for the upper-level students ;) If I had to choose from the ones that I’ve taken, though, it would have to be my “Computer Organization and Assembly Language” course (CS 0447 at Pitt). The course was about the basic architecture of computer processors, getting down into the register file and the ALU and microprogramming and such, which I found interesting in and of itself. The main reason I liked the course so much, though, was the professor, Dr. Mark Kahrs. He doesn’t teach the class very often, but I’m very glad I had him. He was one of the few professors I’ve had who seemed genuinely excited about the material he was teaching. He always had a plan, he came up with challenging assignments (write an emulator for an old vector graphics device in MIPS assembly!), his tests actually tested your ability to think and reason rather than memorize, and he knew what he was talking about. I really respect the man and hope I have the opportunity to take another class with him.
Mar 26 2008
next sibling parent Cosmonaut <yao gmail.com> writes:
Ty Tower escribió:
 Frank Benoit wrote:
 
 Georg Wrede schrieb:
 Not that I'm endorsing his writings/attitude, but one has to give
 Ty credit for not hiding his identity.

I think even with this measurement, he does not deserve credit.

Look above for a list of the real wankers on this NG Don't waste your time Georg just ignore them . I can see at least you don't follow like a sheep. A fox on the edge is a far better way. "We few . We happy few. We band of brothers" Henry V As for Billingsley , another kid starting out with a big mouth and ill-considered values -probably black ? from Pittsburgh. Racism is not an issue until suddenly you experience it with a new neighbour , then values change and the mouth slows down Poor old Dad couldn't resist # By Kris Billingsley on Aug 21, 2007 That’s my boy! Yes, I’m the proud Dad of this Jarrett person. Jarrett surpassed my self taught programming skills when he was 13 or 14. I supported my family for many years using languages we don’t want to get into here. My boy will go far. I’m so proud I could burst my buttons. Please excuse me… And this tells me he tends to fall in love with men ! so watch your backs. Your DSource profile says you are a CS student. Which year are you in now? What is the most interesting course you’ve taken so far? I’m currently a CS student at the University of Pittsburgh. I’ve just completed my second year, so if all goes well I should have two years left, unless I decide to go to graduate school. So far, most of the classes I’ve taken in CS have been introductory classes — programming, some computational theory, logic. They reserve most of the fun classes for the upper-level students ;) If I had to choose from the ones that I’ve taken, though, it would have to be my “Computer Organization and Assembly Language” course (CS 0447 at Pitt). The course was about the basic architecture of computer processors, getting down into the register file and the ALU and microprogramming and such, which I found interesting in and of itself. The main reason I liked the course so much, though, was the professor, Dr. Mark Kahrs. He doesn’t teach the class very often, but I’m very glad I had him. He was one of the few professors I’ve had who seemed genuinely excited about the material he was teaching. He always had a plan, he came up with challenging assignments (write an emulator for an old vector graphics device in MIPS assembly!), his tests actually tested your ability to think and reason rather than memorize, and he knew what he was talking about. I really respect the man and hope I have the opportunity to take another class with him.

Mar 26 2008
prev sibling parent reply Ty Tower <tytower hotmail.com> writes:
Nah I'm wrong on the colour but looks a bit arabic . Then he likes getting
smashed with the mates so alchohol is OK .Probably having a hard time with a
beard and that nose at the moment though with the Iraq war. Perhaps they will
deport him?. 
Mar 26 2008
parent reply Ty Tower <tytower hotmail.com> writes:
Ty Tower Wrote:

 Nah I'm wrong on the colour but looks a bit arabic . Then he likes getting
smashed with the mates so alchohol is OK .Probably having a hard time with a
beard and that nose at the moment though with the Iraq war. Perhaps they will
deport him?. 
 
 

Actually on reflection you have my apologies Jarret I see from my search that you have accomplished much in your short time out of school. I disagree strongly on the issue of race . I am a racist and proud of it for the reason given . However that does not mean I do not admire your work at Uni . Your Dad has every right to be proud I think and the Deans list is a pretty good place to be . $50 bucks ain't much but its better than a punch in the eye. So there you go - this is my post and you are welcome to it.
Mar 26 2008
parent "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Ty Tower" <tytower hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:fsfgja$ecp$1 digitalmars.com...
 Ty Tower Wrote:

 Nah I'm wrong on the colour but looks a bit arabic . Then he likes 
 getting smashed with the mates so alchohol is OK .Probably having a hard 
 time with a beard and that nose at the moment though with the Iraq war. 
 Perhaps they will deport him?.

Actually on reflection you have my apologies Jarret I see from my search that you have accomplished much in your short time out of school. I disagree strongly on the issue of race . I am a racist and proud of it for the reason given . However that does not mean I do not admire your work at Uni . Your Dad has every right to be proud I think and the Deans list is a pretty good place to be . $50 bucks ain't much but its better than a punch in the eye. So there you go - this is my post and you are welcome to it.

I appreciate that you've come to realize that what you did was a very twat thing to do, and in fact I think this is the first time I've seen you do something like this. If I didn't know better I'd think that someone forged your identity, and I would think you would be ashamed to think that people distrust you in this way. It's doing things like that that make people not want to help you. Please then keep in mind the next time you're about to call someone a "drongo" or a "clown" or a "poofter" or a "dago wop" that they really are *people* and not just some faceless entity to be made fun of. We aren't here on the newsgroups to "get up each others arses" or anything like that. We do try to help people as long as they're willing to accept it, and most of us respect other people by default, rather than being distrustful by default. Looking back at your posts, people only started being nasty to you after you were to them. Only after you began to get frustrated and started calling people idiots for not understanding your problems with DWT did people turn against you. Until then people were nothing but helpful. Does that mean anything to you? Remember, Ty: respect is a two way street. You've got to give it to get it.
Mar 27 2008