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reply Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic gmail.com> writes:
There are many issues in Phobos we developers should discuss so I decided to
ask for a new discussion group, digitalmars.D.Phobos, where we can discuss
problems, possible additions/improvements to the excellent Phobos library.

Kind regards
Dejan
May 23 2007
next sibling parent reply Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> writes:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:28:38 -0400
Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic gmail.com> wrote:

 There are many issues in Phobos we developers should discuss so I
 decided to ask for a new discussion group, digitalmars.D.Phobos,
 where we can discuss problems, possible additions/improvements to the
 excellent Phobos library.

*hint* I think a d.D.Tango newsgroup would be appreciated, too! *hint* ;)
May 23 2007
next sibling parent Daniel Keep <daniel.keep.lists gmail.com> writes:
Alexander Panek wrote:
 On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:28:38 -0400
 Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic gmail.com> wrote:
 
 There are many issues in Phobos we developers should discuss so I
 decided to ask for a new discussion group, digitalmars.D.Phobos,
 where we can discuss problems, possible additions/improvements to the
 excellent Phobos library.

*hint* I think a d.D.Tango newsgroup would be appreciated, too! *hint* ;)

for WORD in `cat /usr/local/dict`; do touch /var/news/d/D/$WORD; done There, problem "solved". :P -- int getRandomNumber() { return 4; // chosen by fair dice roll. // guaranteed to be random. } http://xkcd.com/ v2sw5+8Yhw5ln4+5pr6OFPma8u6+7Lw4Tm6+7l6+7D i28a2Xs3MSr2e4/6+7t4TNSMb6HTOp5en5g6RAHCP http://hackerkey.com/
May 23 2007
prev sibling parent reply =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:
Alexander Panek wrote:

 *hint* I think a d.D.Tango newsgroup would be appreciated, too! *hint*

But Tango already has a forum ? http://dsource.org/projects/tango/forums --anders
May 24 2007
next sibling parent reply BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Anders,

 Alexander Panek wrote:
 
 *hint* I think a d.D.Tango newsgroup would be appreciated, too!
 *hint*
 

http://dsource.org/projects/tango/forums --anders

And off we go again to debate the reason that NG's/forums are the stupidest/only way to go for on-line dialog. As for me and my self, I will not use forums.
May 24 2007
next sibling parent "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"BCS" <ao pathlink.com> wrote in message 
news:ce0a3343a6b88c96c02be800c24 news.digitalmars.com...
 As for me and my self, I will not use forums.

Wah, wah, wah. I use whatever someone else decides to, because communication is communication. It's all for the same purpose, and I'm not about to complain about how it's done.
May 24 2007
prev sibling parent reply pragma <ericanderton yahoo.com> writes:
BCS wrote:
 Reply to Anders,
 
 Alexander Panek wrote:

 *hint* I think a d.D.Tango newsgroup would be appreciated, too!
 *hint*

http://dsource.org/projects/tango/forums --anders

And off we go again to debate the reason that NG's/forums are the stupidest/only way to go for on-line dialog. As for me and my self, I will not use forums.

Oh c'mon BCS... /everyone's/ doing it. ;) Out of curiosity, why the strong dislike of the forum system? Is it too log-in happy, or is it more of the "my interface or the highway" disposition of the beast? The reason why I ask is I'd like to write RSS output for TracForums sometime in the future. If there's actually some people that dsource isn't reaching for lack of an alternate interface, then I'm all for pushing up the priority a bit. :)
May 24 2007
next sibling parent reply Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
pragma wrote:
 BCS wrote:
 Reply to Anders,

 Alexander Panek wrote:

 *hint* I think a d.D.Tango newsgroup would be appreciated, too!
 *hint*

http://dsource.org/projects/tango/forums --anders

And off we go again to debate the reason that NG's/forums are the stupidest/only way to go for on-line dialog. As for me and my self, I will not use forums.

Oh c'mon BCS... /everyone's/ doing it. ;) Out of curiosity, why the strong dislike of the forum system? Is it too log-in happy, or is it more of the "my interface or the highway" disposition of the beast? The reason why I ask is I'd like to write RSS output for TracForums sometime in the future. If there's actually some people that dsource isn't reaching for lack of an alternate interface, then I'm all for pushing up the priority a bit. :)

For me it's the speed issue. Web pages just take a long time to load. Dsource is much better now after the hardware upgrades, but still there's no way a forum with all its frames and images and fancy layouts can beat the speed of what is basically the download of raw text from a server. And maybe there's an information density issue a bit too. Forums tend to have a lot of empty space on the screen. They fill up the screen with a bunch of blank space, and then are forced to put a big row of links to more pages of the stuff that wouldn't fit [prev|1|2|3|4|5|next] at the bottom. Forums also seem to encourage people to make frivolous 'me too' comments for some reason, also contributing to the lack of information density. --bb
May 24 2007
next sibling parent reply pragma <ericanderton yahoo.com> writes:
Bill Baxter wrote:
 pragma wrote:
 BCS wrote:
 Reply to Anders,

 Alexander Panek wrote:

 *hint* I think a d.D.Tango newsgroup would be appreciated, too!
 *hint*

http://dsource.org/projects/tango/forums --anders

And off we go again to debate the reason that NG's/forums are the stupidest/only way to go for on-line dialog. As for me and my self, I will not use forums.

Oh c'mon BCS... /everyone's/ doing it. ;) Out of curiosity, why the strong dislike of the forum system? Is it too log-in happy, or is it more of the "my interface or the highway" disposition of the beast? The reason why I ask is I'd like to write RSS output for TracForums sometime in the future. If there's actually some people that dsource isn't reaching for lack of an alternate interface, then I'm all for pushing up the priority a bit. :)

For me it's the speed issue. Web pages just take a long time to load. Dsource is much better now after the hardware upgrades, but still there's no way a forum with all its frames and images and fancy layouts can beat the speed of what is basically the download of raw text from a server. And maybe there's an information density issue a bit too. Forums tend to have a lot of empty space on the screen. They fill up the screen with a bunch of blank space, and then are forced to put a big row of links to more pages of the stuff that wouldn't fit [prev|1|2|3|4|5|next] at the bottom. Forums also seem to encourage people to make frivolous 'me too' comments for some reason, also contributing to the lack of information density.

Point well taken. It's kind of like saying that "All web forums are just broken implementations of NNTP", which isn't entirely untrue. I've seen very well designed forums that are basically online newsreaders. Then again I've also seen forums that looked like Myspace threw up all over the screen: 80% signature banners*, 15% "F1rst p0$t", 5% actual content. (* Today we salute you, Mr. Anime Forum Poster Guy. Not enough people believe that Naruto is "da bomb", or that cabbits are so darn cute. That's why you have a blazing 500x200 pixel animated Gif in your signature; besides, small files are for wimps. Now, the rest of us can bask in the glory of your homage to Pokemon, every... single... time... you... post. So here's to you, Mr. Anime Forum Poster Guy. )
May 24 2007
parent reply "David B. Held" <dheld codelogicconsulting.com> writes:
pragma wrote:
 [...]
 (* Today we salute you, Mr. Anime Forum Poster Guy.  Not enough people 
 believe that Naruto is "da bomb", or that cabbits are so darn cute. 
 That's why you have a blazing 500x200 pixel animated Gif in your 
 signature; besides, small files are for wimps.  Now, the rest of us can 
 bask in the glory of your homage to Pokemon, every... single... time... 
 you... post.  So here's to you, Mr. Anime Forum Poster Guy. )

LOL!!! Awesome!!! I could even hear the cheesy music playing in the background! Dave
May 24 2007
parent Pragma <ericanderton yahoo.removeme.com> writes:
David B. Held wrote:
 pragma wrote:
 [...]
 (* Today we salute you, Mr. Anime Forum Poster Guy.  Not enough people 
 believe that Naruto is "da bomb", or that cabbits are so darn cute. 
 That's why you have a blazing 500x200 pixel animated Gif in your 
 signature; besides, small files are for wimps.  Now, the rest of us 
 can bask in the glory of your homage to Pokemon, every... single... 
 time... you... post.  So here's to you, Mr. Anime Forum Poster Guy. )

LOL!!! Awesome!!! I could even hear the cheesy music playing in the background! Dave

Not to kill the joke, but for those on the forum that are wondering why you're laughing: Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Men_Of_Genius Audio: http://www.contemporaryinsanity.org/audio-video/bud-light-real-men-of-genius.html (I love these radio spots, but I had no clue that they've done 100 of 'em already) -- - EricAnderton at yahoo
May 25 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent Regan Heath <regan netmail.co.nz> writes:
Bill Baxter Wrote:
 Forums also seem to encourage people to make frivolous 'me too' comments 
 for some reason, also contributing to the lack of information density.

me too! (sorry, couldn't resist) Regan
May 25 2007
prev sibling parent Carlos Santander <csantander619 gmail.com> writes:
Bill Baxter escribió:
 pragma wrote:
 BCS wrote:
 Reply to Anders,

 Alexander Panek wrote:

 *hint* I think a d.D.Tango newsgroup would be appreciated, too!
 *hint*

http://dsource.org/projects/tango/forums --anders

And off we go again to debate the reason that NG's/forums are the stupidest/only way to go for on-line dialog. As for me and my self, I will not use forums.

Oh c'mon BCS... /everyone's/ doing it. ;) Out of curiosity, why the strong dislike of the forum system? Is it too log-in happy, or is it more of the "my interface or the highway" disposition of the beast? The reason why I ask is I'd like to write RSS output for TracForums sometime in the future. If there's actually some people that dsource isn't reaching for lack of an alternate interface, then I'm all for pushing up the priority a bit. :)

For me it's the speed issue. Web pages just take a long time to load. Dsource is much better now after the hardware upgrades, but still there's no way a forum with all its frames and images and fancy layouts can beat the speed of what is basically the download of raw text from a server. And maybe there's an information density issue a bit too. Forums tend to have a lot of empty space on the screen. They fill up the screen with a bunch of blank space, and then are forced to put a big row of links to more pages of the stuff that wouldn't fit [prev|1|2|3|4|5|next] at the bottom. Forums also seem to encourage people to make frivolous 'me too' comments for some reason, also contributing to the lack of information density. --bb

That becomes even more important if you're using dial-up. -- Carlos Santander Bernal
May 25 2007
prev sibling parent reply BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Pragma,

 BCS wrote:
 
 Reply to Anders,
 
 Alexander Panek wrote:
 
 *hint* I think a d.D.Tango newsgroup would be appreciated, too!
 *hint*
 

http://dsource.org/projects/tango/forums --anders

stupidest/only way to go for on-line dialog. As for me and my self, I will not use forums.

Out of curiosity, why the strong dislike of the forum system?

 or is it more of the "my interface or the highway"
 disposition of the beast?

That's some of it. Another part is that NNTP just transmits the content, forums send a bunch of junk along with it. The main part though is that NG's allow much richer clients. With a forum, no Internet connection right now == nothing at all. The client I use is just fine running off line. Also it will auto check for new post, download them, sort them, search them, go back and, in one fell swoop, get the last 65K posts.
 
 The reason why I ask is I'd like to write RSS output for TracForums
 sometime in the future.  If there's actually some people that dsource
 isn't reaching for lack of an alternate interface, then I'm all for
 pushing up the priority a bit. :)
 

I would be interested, but I expect a lot of what I would want wouldn't be obtainable from RSS (mostly thread stuff and what not). But I would like to see somthing and would give RSS a try.
May 25 2007
parent BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Benjamin,

 I would be interested, but I expect a lot of what I would want
 wouldn't be obtainable from RSS (mostly thread stuff and what not).
 But I would like to see somthing and would give RSS a try.
 

p.s. If you do RSS make sure that the pages it points to (one page per post I would hope) are really light weight: Link to post this replies to Link to full thread content links to replies No images, CSS, frames or other stuff, just what I want to read
May 25 2007
prev sibling parent Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> writes:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:09:26 +0000 (UTC)
BCS <ao pathlink.com> wrote:

 Reply to Anders,
 
 Alexander Panek wrote:
 
 *hint* I think a d.D.Tango newsgroup would be appreciated, too!
 *hint*
 

http://dsource.org/projects/tango/forums --anders

And off we go again to debate the reason that NG's/forums are the stupidest/only way to go for on-line dialog.

Bah! I actually didn't want to start that kind of a discussion. :\ (I do like both ways, btw. They have their advantages.)
May 26 2007
prev sibling parent Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> writes:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 14:03:25 +1000
Daniel Keep <daniel.keep.lists gmail.com> wrote:

 
 
 Alexander Panek wrote:
 On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:28:38 -0400
 Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic gmail.com> wrote:
 
 There are many issues in Phobos we developers should discuss so I
 decided to ask for a new discussion group, digitalmars.D.Phobos,
 where we can discuss problems, possible additions/improvements to
 the excellent Phobos library.

*hint* I think a d.D.Tango newsgroup would be appreciated, too! *hint* ;)

for WORD in `cat /usr/local/dict`; do touch /var/news/d/D/$WORD; done There, problem "solved". :P

Pffff! Cheap! :P
May 24 2007