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digitalmars.D - A programmer economy, D style?

reply Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> writes:
 Bill Baxter wrote:
 
 Mike Parker wrote:

 Sean Kelly wrote:

 Mike Parker wrote:

 Walter Bright wrote:

 I've thought about cash prizes and contests. I just had the nagging feeling
that the result would be a circus rather than serious development.

What about bounties?



Getting some Google summer-of-coders might be good too. Where there any proposals for D this last time around? --bb

Actually there where (one mine), but it was ineligible to participate. The reason was: proposals must be submitted under the respective mentor organizations, and if there is no mentor organization for the proposal, it can be submitted to Google. However this year's SoC (unlike the previous one) such applications without mentor organization must have a high "academic research focus", and when I found that out it was too late for new mentor organizations to sign up (one representing D was needed). :( I think it's an opportunity that should not be missed next year.

I've been thinking about this.......... IF there was as site where companies could specify apps, segments-of-apps, classes, or downright functions that they wanted to have, and if they specified how much they'd pay for them, how many people here would want to sign up as "potential coders"? It's not like this were my dream to host, but given enough encouragement, support, or motivation, then I might really consider it. (And, of course, anyone else is free to set up a competing web site right now, without asking me.) For a customer ready to adopt D, this would be an excellent way of jumping up to speed. And, for a company _not_ yet ready to use D, this could be an opportunity to acquire well programmed, fast and robust prototypes, for a fraction of the cost of ordering them the reagular way from SW-houses. Opinions?
Oct 19 2006
next sibling parent reply Pragma <ericanderton yahoo.removeme.com> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:
 Bill Baxter wrote:

 Mike Parker wrote:

 Sean Kelly wrote:

 Mike Parker wrote:

 Walter Bright wrote:

 I've thought about cash prizes and contests. I just had the 
 nagging feeling that the result would be a circus rather than 
 serious development.

What about bounties?



Getting some Google summer-of-coders might be good too. Where there any proposals for D this last time around? --bb

Actually there where (one mine), but it was ineligible to participate. The reason was: proposals must be submitted under the respective mentor organizations, and if there is no mentor organization for the proposal, it can be submitted to Google. However this year's SoC (unlike the previous one) such applications without mentor organization must have a high "academic research focus", and when I found that out it was too late for new mentor organizations to sign up (one representing D was needed). :( I think it's an opportunity that should not be missed next year.

I've been thinking about this.......... IF there was as site where companies could specify apps, segments-of-apps, classes, or downright functions that they wanted to have, and if they specified how much they'd pay for them, how many people here would want to sign up as "potential coders"? It's not like this were my dream to host, but given enough encouragement, support, or motivation, then I might really consider it. (And, of course, anyone else is free to set up a competing web site right now, without asking me.) For a customer ready to adopt D, this would be an excellent way of jumping up to speed. And, for a company _not_ yet ready to use D, this could be an opportunity to acquire well programmed, fast and robust prototypes, for a fraction of the cost of ordering them the reagular way from SW-houses. Opinions?

I've seen something like this before, but I'll be damned if I can remember any specific URLs. There's a few sites like this online that do in fact farm out piece-meal work. An individual with enough time and skill can make a decent amount of cash out there doing slews of meager (handfuls of hours each) contracts. I'll add that I recall seeing quite a few "write me a COM component which will do X" requests out there that seemed fairly technology agnostic. To those customers, it's about the end-product rather than the codebase. This would be one way someone could guerrilla-market D by making inroads and establishing a profile as a freelance D coder. But I see what you mean. My $0.02: Would you be satisfied with setting up a 'Classifieds' section in the dsource forum? I can't speak to this directly, but I'm sure Brad would go for it. Another option would be to ask Walter if he'd set up a "d.D.classified" newsgroup. Either way, given that the community is still kind of small, a bounty-is-optional model might get things moving a bit faster at first. -- - EricAnderton at yahoo
Oct 19 2006
next sibling parent "Tiberiu Gal" <galtiberiu gmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:06:53 +0300, Pragma  
<ericanderton yahoo.removeme.com> wrote:

 Georg Wrede wrote:
 Bill Baxter wrote:

 Mike Parker wrote:

 Sean Kelly wrote:

 Mike Parker wrote:

 Walter Bright wrote:

 I've thought about cash prizes and contests. I just had the  
 nagging feeling that the result would be a circus rather than  
 serious development.

What about bounties?



Getting some Google summer-of-coders might be good too. Where there any proposals for D this last time around? --bb

Actually there where (one mine), but it was ineligible to participate. The reason was: proposals must be submitted under the respective mentor organizations, and if there is no mentor organization for the proposal, it can be submitted to Google. However this year's SoC (unlike the previous one) such applications without mentor organization must have a high "academic research focus", and when I found that out it was too late for new mentor organizations to sign up (one representing D was needed). :( I think it's an opportunity that should not be missed next year.

IF there was as site where companies could specify apps, segments-of-apps, classes, or downright functions that they wanted to have, and if they specified how much they'd pay for them, how many people here would want to sign up as "potential coders"? It's not like this were my dream to host, but given enough encouragement, support, or motivation, then I might really consider it. (And, of course, anyone else is free to set up a competing web site right now, without asking me.) For a customer ready to adopt D, this would be an excellent way of jumping up to speed. And, for a company _not_ yet ready to use D, this could be an opportunity to acquire well programmed, fast and robust prototypes, for a fraction of the cost of ordering them the reagular way from SW-houses. Opinions?

I've seen something like this before, but I'll be damned if I can remember any specific URLs. There's a few sites like this online that do in fact farm out piece-meal work. An individual with enough time and skill can make a decent amount of cash out there doing slews of meager (handfuls of hours each) contracts. I'll add that I recall seeing quite a few "write me a COM component which will do X" requests out there that seemed fairly technology agnostic. To those customers, it's about the end-product rather than the codebase. This would be one way someone could guerrilla-market D by making inroads and establishing a profile as a freelance D coder. But I see what you mean. My $0.02: Would you be satisfied with setting up a 'Classifieds' section in the dsource forum? I can't speak to this directly, but I'm sure Brad would go for it. Another option would be to ask Walter if he'd set up a "d.D.classified" newsgroup. Either way, given that the community is still kind of small, a bounty-is-optional model might get things moving a bit faster at first.

I know some sites in this area, but what can we do to attract buyers to D? There are a lot of jobs given out for c/c++ coders that can be done using D. One can bid for the job and do it in D(end users don't realy care about which language is used for development), but the code in most likely to be closed and property of the buyer. That's not a big help for the community(maybe a bit of advertiement on D) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Oct 19 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent =?iso-8859-1?q?Knud_S=F8rensen?= <12tkvvb02 sneakemail.com> writes:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:06:53 -0400, Pragma wrote:

 Georg Wrede wrote:

 My $0.02: Would you be satisfied with setting up a 'Classifieds' section 
 in the dsource forum?  I can't speak to this directly, but I'm sure Brad 
 would go for it.  Another option would be to ask Walter if he'd set up a 
 "d.D.classified" newsgroup.  Either way, given that the community is 
 still kind of small, a bounty-is-optional model might get things moving 
 a bit faster at first.

Maybe make it possible to set bounties on bug an feature reqests on dsource as a start. This will also make it possible for Brad to earn some money for server upgrades when dsource starts to get as much traffic as sourceforge in a 6 month time ;-)
Oct 19 2006
prev sibling parent reply Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
Pragma wrote:
 
 I've seen something like this before, but I'll be damned if I can 
 remember any specific URLs.  There's a few sites like this online that 
 do in fact farm out piece-meal work.  An individual with enough time and 
 skill can make a decent amount of cash out there doing slews of meager 
 (handfuls of hours each) contracts.
 

Rent a Coder(http://www.rentacoder.com) perhaps? , amongst others. -- Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D
Oct 21 2006
parent pragma <ericanderton yahoo.com> writes:
Bruno Medeiros wrote:
 Pragma wrote:
 I've seen something like this before, but I'll be damned if I can 
 remember any specific URLs.  There's a few sites like this online that 
 do in fact farm out piece-meal work.  An individual with enough time 
 and skill can make a decent amount of cash out there doing slews of 
 meager (handfuls of hours each) contracts.

Rent a Coder(http://www.rentacoder.com) perhaps? , amongst others.

Thank you. That's exactly what I was talking about. :)
Oct 22 2006
prev sibling parent Dave <Dave_member pathlink.com> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:
 
 IF there was as site where companies could specify apps, 
 segments-of-apps, classes, or downright functions that they wanted to 
 have, and if they specified how much they'd pay for them, how many 
 people here would want to sign up as "potential coders"?
 

Speaking with my software consumer hat on, I personally would never use it and I'd be willing to bet 95% of companies wouldn't either. It would typically cost as much or more to a) have the code reviewed for security, etc. and b) re-write it to fit the *real* requirements. On the 2nd point, I've *very rarely* seen an initial spec. survive the release of the end-product, and when it did it was a trivial project borrowing parts of (an)other well-proved application(s). Just my $0.02 worth...
Oct 20 2006