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reply Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> writes:
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Recently there has been explosion in bug closures.  This has had the
unfortunate side effect of making it difficult to have a conversation in #d
IRC with the bot constantly announcing these changes.  I humbly request
that those responsible slow down this behavior to a more tolerable level so
we can talk uninterrupted in the #d IRC channel.  I hate to call out
someone by name but Walter in particular has been completely out of line
with the volume of notifications he's been generating recently.

I understand some people like bug closures and who am I to judge but there
is a limit to what some of us can tolerate and it has been surpassed.

I'm sorry it had to come to this.

Regards,
Brad Anderson

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 those responsible slow down this behavior to a more tolerable level so we =
can talk uninterrupted in the #d IRC channel. =A0I hate to call out someone=
 by name but Walter in particular has been completely out of line with the =
volume of notifications he&#39;s been generating recently.<div>
<br></div><div>I understand some people like bug closures and who am I to j=
udge but there is a limit to what some of us can tolerate and it has been s=
urpassed.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m sorry it had to come to this.</d=
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<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Brad Anderson</div>

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Jan 23 2012
next sibling parent "Adam Wilson" <flyboynw gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:57:16 -0800, Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> wrote:

 Recently there has been explosion in bug closures.  This has had the
 unfortunate side effect of making it difficult to have a conversation in  
 #d
 IRC with the bot constantly announcing these changes.  I humbly request
 that those responsible slow down this behavior to a more tolerable level  
 so
 we can talk uninterrupted in the #d IRC channel.  I hate to call out
 someone by name but Walter in particular has been completely out of line
 with the volume of notifications he's been generating recently.

 I understand some people like bug closures and who am I to judge but  
 there
 is a limit to what some of us can tolerate and it has been surpassed.

 I'm sorry it had to come to this.

 Regards,
 Brad Anderson

I for one very much like the work that Walter is doing and do not want him to slow down. Cleaning out the accumulated crap can ONLY be a good thing. I'd say the IRC channel can deal. :-) -- Adam Wilson Project Coordinator The Horizon Project http://www.thehorizonproject.org/
Jan 23 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 1/23/2012 5:57 PM, Brad Anderson wrote:
 I understand some people like bug closures and who am I to judge but there is a
 limit to what some of us can tolerate and it has been surpassed.

I live to make IRC users suffer. It's dessert after eating babies.
Jan 23 2012
parent reply bcs <bcs example.com> writes:
On 01/23/2012 06:10 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 1/23/2012 5:57 PM, Brad Anderson wrote:
 I understand some people like bug closures and who am I to judge but
 there is a
 limit to what some of us can tolerate and it has been surpassed.

I live to make IRC users suffer. It's dessert after eating babies.

How appropriate, considering the title.
Jan 23 2012
parent FeepingCreature <default_357-line yahoo.de> writes:
On 01/24/12 05:21, bcs wrote:
 On 01/23/2012 06:10 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 1/23/2012 5:57 PM, Brad Anderson wrote:
 I understand some people like bug closures and who am I to judge but
 there is a
 limit to what some of us can tolerate and it has been surpassed.

I live to make IRC users suffer. It's dessert after eating babies.

How appropriate, considering the title.

ThatsTheJoke.
Jan 24 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Trass3r <un known.com> writes:
Adapt the bot or configure your client to ignore the bot. Plain simple.
Jan 23 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Timon Gehr <timon.gehr gmx.ch> writes:
On 01/24/2012 02:57 AM, Brad Anderson wrote:
 Recently there has been explosion in bug closures.  This has had the
 unfortunate side effect of making it difficult to have a conversation in
 #d IRC with the bot constantly announcing these changes.  I humbly
 request that those responsible slow down this behavior to a more
 tolerable level so we can talk uninterrupted in the #d IRC channel.  I
 hate to call out someone by name but Walter in particular has been
 completely out of line with the volume of notifications he's been
 generating recently.

 I understand some people like bug closures and who am I to judge but
 there is a limit to what some of us can tolerate and it has been surpassed.

 I'm sorry it had to come to this.

 Regards,
 Brad Anderson

=D
Jan 23 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> writes:
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On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Trass3r <un known.com> wrote:

 Adapt the bot or configure your client to ignore the bot. Plain simple.

Appeasement? I refuse to make the same mistakes Neville Chamberlain made. Regards, Brad Anderson --14dae9d7121cdf237204b73ce1ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Trass3r <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:un known.com">un known.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Adapt the bot or configure your client to ignore the bot. Plain simple.<br> </blockquote></div><br><div>Appeasement? I refuse to make the same mistakes Neville Chamberlain made.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Brad Anderson</div> --14dae9d7121cdf237204b73ce1ce--
Jan 23 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "Bernard Helyer" <b.helyer gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 24 January 2012 at 02:17:09 UTC, Trass3r wrote:
 Adapt the bot or configure your client to ignore the bot. Plain 
 simple.

You know who else configured their client to ignore bots? Bin Laden. You thought I was going to say Hitler, didn't you? Well that's silly, Hitler was long dead before the invention of ARPANET, let alone the IRC protocol. I don't know how I can take technical advice from someone so confused about the timeline of history.
Jan 23 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 1/23/12 7:57 PM, Brad Anderson wrote:
 Recently there has been explosion in bug closures.  This has had the
 unfortunate side effect of making it difficult to have a conversation in
 #d IRC with the bot constantly announcing these changes.  I humbly
 request that those responsible slow down this behavior to a more
 tolerable level so we can talk uninterrupted in the #d IRC channel.  I
 hate to call out someone by name but Walter in particular has been
 completely out of line with the volume of notifications he's been
 generating recently.

 I understand some people like bug closures and who am I to judge but
 there is a limit to what some of us can tolerate and it has been surpassed.

 I'm sorry it had to come to this.

 Regards,
 Brad Anderson

This is a pretty awesome problem to be had. Andrei
Jan 23 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Derek <ddparnell bigpond.com> writes:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:57:16 +1100, Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> wrote:

 Recently there has been explosion in bug closures.

Damn ... things are getting fixed ... we better put a stop to that sort of thing before it gets totally out of hand. -- Derek Parnell Melbourne, Australia
Jan 23 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
On 24 January 2012 02:37, Bernard Helyer <b.helyer gmail.com> wrote:
 On Tuesday, 24 January 2012 at 02:17:09 UTC, Trass3r wrote:
 Adapt the bot or configure your client to ignore the bot. Plain simple.

You know who else configured their client to ignore bots? Bin Laden. You thought I was going to say Hitler, didn't you? Well that's silly, Hitler was long dead before the invention of ARPANET, let alone the IRC protocol. I don't know how I can take technical advice from someone so confused about the timeline of history.

Godwin's Law. -- Iain Buclaw *(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0';
Jan 24 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Russel Winder <russel russel.org.uk> writes:
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On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 08:40 +0000, Iain Buclaw wrote:
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Jan 24 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply k <nah nah.com> writes:
Brad Anderson Wrote:

 Recently there has been explosion in bug closures.  This has had the
 unfortunate side effect of making it difficult to have a conversation in #d
 IRC with the bot constantly announcing these changes.  I humbly request
 that those responsible slow down this behavior to a more tolerable level so
 we can talk uninterrupted in the #d IRC channel.  I hate to call out
 someone by name but Walter in particular has been completely out of line
 with the volume of notifications he's been generating recently.
 
 I understand some people like bug closures and who am I to judge but there
 is a limit to what some of us can tolerate and it has been surpassed.
 

Couldn't agree more. I've even been forced to increase the scrollback buffer of my IRC client in order to not miss conversation pieces while just fetching coffee, which of course uses up more RAM, not to say the extra tear on my scroll wheel isn't concerning too. I'm very tempted to file a bug that D has a technical memory leak, indirectly, but still, it's a very real problem. I see no other way of fixing this except write-locking the git repos, right? Could anyone fix this? I guess a temporary workaround could be if poeple used shorter names for the bugs. Like instead of "(ice) glue.c (67) : assert failed with exit code 78" perhaps just "assrt fail lol". Or hey, perhaps even insert some conversation starters, like "assrt fail, btw, a developer walked into a foo *eelface*", that would be really great for those awkward silent moments on the IRC. Let's work together on this people! okthxbye!
Jan 24 2012
parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 1/24/2012 2:17 AM, k wrote:
 Couldn't agree more. I've even been forced to increase the scrollback buffer
 of my IRC client in order to not miss conversation pieces while just fetching
 coffee, which of course uses up more RAM, not to say the extra tear on my
 scroll wheel isn't concerning too. I'm very tempted to file a bug that D has
 a technical memory leak, indirectly, but still, it's a very real problem. I
 see no other way of fixing this except write-locking the git repos, right?
 Could anyone fix this? I guess a temporary workaround could be if poeple used
 shorter names for the bugs. Like instead of "(ice) glue.c (67) :  assert
 failed with exit code 78" perhaps just "assrt fail lol". Or hey, perhaps even
 insert some conversation starters, like "assrt fail, btw, a developer walked
 into a foo *eelface*", that would be really great for those awkward silent
 moments on the IRC. Let's work together on this people! okthxbye!

A friend of mine, Hal Finney, once wrote a Basic interpreter for an embedded system. He was incredibly short on ROM, and used every trick to stuff that Basic interpreter in. One way to reduce size was to use one error message for every error; he chose: EH? Only 3 bytes! We all thought it was awesome. His customer hated it, though.
Jan 24 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Denis Shelomovskij <verylonglogin.reg gmail.com> writes:
24.01.2012 5:57, Brad Anderson пишет:
 Recently there has been explosion in bug closures.  This has had the
 unfortunate side effect of making it difficult to have a conversation in
 #d IRC with the bot constantly announcing these changes.  I humbly
 request that those responsible slow down this behavior to a more
 tolerable level so we can talk uninterrupted in the #d IRC channel.  I
 hate to call out someone by name but Walter in particular has been
 completely out of line with the volume of notifications he's been
 generating recently.

 I understand some people like bug closures and who am I to judge but
 there is a limit to what some of us can tolerate and it has been surpassed.

 I'm sorry it had to come to this.

 Regards,
 Brad Anderson

If people have a problem with #d IRC they should just disable technical messages they don't need. If they can't do that, it's their own problem. They are supposed to be programmers. Have no idea why isn't such post the one and only reply. Didn't want to hurt one's feelings but this will be the reply I would expect if I would ask such question.
Jan 24 2012
parent reply David Nadlinger <see klickverbot.at> writes:
On 1/24/12 4:16 PM, Denis Shelomovskij wrote:
 If people have a problem with #d IRC they should just disable technical
 messages they don't need. If they can't do that, it's their own problem.
 They are supposed to be programmers.

 Have no idea why isn't such post the one and only reply.

And I in turn am amazed by the number of people who didn't notice that Brad's post was … uhm, how do I put that … not entirely serious. For a clue, you might want to look up »A modest proposal«. David, thinking of all the poor babies
Jan 24 2012
next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 1/24/2012 7:28 AM, David Nadlinger wrote:
 On 1/24/12 4:16 PM, Denis Shelomovskij wrote:
 And I in turn am amazed by the number of people who didn't notice that Brad's
 post was … uhm, how do I put that … not entirely serious. For a clue, you
might
 want to look up »A modest proposal«.

These days, I always get downvoted for referring to "steenkin' badges". Apparently, nobody watches Bogart movies anymore. I guess I don't really blame them, his style of cool is obsolete.
Jan 24 2012
next sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 1/24/12 1:34 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 1/24/2012 7:28 AM, David Nadlinger wrote:
 On 1/24/12 4:16 PM, Denis Shelomovskij wrote:
 And I in turn am amazed by the number of people who didn't notice that
 Brad's
 post was … uhm, how do I put that … not entirely serious. For a clue,
 you might
 want to look up »A modest proposal«.

These days, I always get downvoted for referring to "steenkin' badges". Apparently, nobody watches Bogart movies anymore. I guess I don't really blame them, his style of cool is obsolete.

I don't think it is. My prediction: when CGI actors pass the uncanny valley, people will love new movies with Bogart. Andrei
Jan 24 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 1/24/2012 10:36 AM, Brad Anderson wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com
 <mailto:newshound2 digitalmars.com>> wrote:
     These days, I always get downvoted for referring to "steenkin' badges".
     Apparently, nobody watches Bogart movies anymore. I guess I don't really
     blame them, his style of cool is obsolete.


 Bogart?  I'm pretty sure that comes from a Weird Al Yankovic movie.

Al was doing a parody of a parody of the reference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinking_badges
Jan 24 2012
prev sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 1/24/2012 10:36 AM, Brad Anderson wrote:
 Bogart?  I'm pretty sure that comes from a Weird Al Yankovic movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ
Jan 24 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Denis Shelomovskij <verylonglogin.reg gmail.com> writes:
24.01.2012 19:28, David Nadlinger пишет:
 On 1/24/12 4:16 PM, Denis Shelomovskij wrote:
 If people have a problem with #d IRC they should just disable technical
 messages they don't need. If they can't do that, it's their own problem.
 They are supposed to be programmers.

 Have no idea why isn't such post the one and only reply.

And I in turn am amazed by the number of people who didn't notice that Brad's post was … uhm, how do I put that … not entirely serious. For a clue, you might want to look up »A modest proposal«. David, thinking of all the poor babies

Have you just called me an ignorant person? So... Yes, I am. Pity, but looks like everything I can is to code in D and drink Vodka with white bears... Joking aside.
Jan 24 2012
parent David Nadlinger <see klickverbot.at> writes:
On 1/24/12 8:41 PM, Denis Shelomovskij wrote:
 24.01.2012 19:28, David Nadlinger пишет:
 And I in turn am amazed by the number of people who didn't notice that
 Brad's post was … uhm, how do I put that … not entirely serious. For a
 clue, you might want to look up »A modest proposal«.

 David,
 thinking of all the poor babies

Have you just called me an ignorant person? So... Yes, I am. Pity, but looks like everything I can is to code in D and drink Vodka with white bears... Joking aside.

No, sorry, this shouldn't come off as directed specifically at you or anybody else – I was really just amazed by the number of "serious" responses Brad's post triggered. David
Jan 24 2012
prev sibling parent "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"David Nadlinger" <see klickverbot.at> wrote in message 
news:jfmikt$15mn$1 digitalmars.com...
 On 1/24/12 4:16 PM, Denis Shelomovskij wrote:
 If people have a problem with #d IRC they should just disable technical
 messages they don't need. If they can't do that, it's their own problem.
 They are supposed to be programmers.

 Have no idea why isn't such post the one and only reply.

And I in turn am amazed by the number of people who didn't notice that Brad's post was . uhm, how do I put that . not entirely serious. For a clue, you might want to look up A modest proposal.

From post #1 I've been completely unable to tell how much is joke and how much is serious. /me cornfused o_O
Jan 24 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> writes:
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Walter Bright
<newshound2 digitalmars.com>wrote:

 On 1/24/2012 7:28 AM, David Nadlinger wrote:

 On 1/24/12 4:16 PM, Denis Shelomovskij wrote:
 And I in turn am amazed by the number of people who didn't notice that
 Brad's
 post was =85 uhm, how do I put that =85 not entirely serious. For a clue=


 might
 want to look up =BBA modest proposal=AB.

These days, I always get downvoted for referring to "steenkin' badges". Apparently, nobody watches Bogart movies anymore. I guess I don't really blame them, his style of cool is obsolete.

Bogart? I'm pretty sure that comes from a Weird Al Yankovic movie. My age is showing, Brad Anderson --f46d042ef3ff440d5304b74a6e9b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Walter Bright <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:newshound2 digitalmars.com">newshound2 digitalmars.com</a>&gt;= </span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo= te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=

</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l= eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"> On 1/24/12 4:16 PM, Denis Shelomovskij wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"im"> And I in turn am amazed by the number of people who didn&#39;t notice that = Brad&#39;s<br> post was =85 uhm, how do I put that =85 not entirely serious. For a clue, y= ou might<br> want to look up =BBA modest proposal=AB.<br> </div></blockquote> <br> These days, I always get downvoted for referring to &quot;steenkin&#39; bad= ges&quot;. Apparently, nobody watches Bogart movies anymore. I guess I don&= #39;t really blame them, his style of cool is obsolete.<br> </blockquote></div><br><div>Bogart? =A0I&#39;m pretty sure that comes from = a Weird Al Yankovic=A0movie.</div><div><br></div><div>My age is showing,</d= iv><div>Brad Anderson</div> --f46d042ef3ff440d5304b74a6e9b--
Jan 24 2012
prev sibling parent Derek <ddparnell bigpond.com> writes:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 05:42:27 +1100, FeepingCreature  
<default_357-line yahoo.de> wrote:

 On 01/24/12 05:21, bcs wrote:
 On 01/23/2012 06:10 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 1/23/2012 5:57 PM, Brad Anderson wrote:
 I understand some people like bug closures and who am I to judge but
 there is a
 limit to what some of us can tolerate and it has been surpassed.

I live to make IRC users suffer. It's dessert after eating babies.

How appropriate, considering the title.

ThatsTheJoke.

Hmmmm ... not so sure that Brad should give up his day job just yet. -- Derek Parnell Melbourne, Australia
Jan 24 2012