• kinghajj (3/3) Aug 16 2004 Walter: do you ever plan on writing a book on D? K&R had "The C Programm...
• Walter (5/8) Aug 16 2004 Programming
• kinghajj (2/3) Aug 16 2004 Nor are most of us... just try your best!
• Ilya Minkov (4/10) Aug 16 2004 Just that Walter probably has better things to do. Like improving the
• kinghajj (2/12) Aug 16 2004 True, so he probably shouldn't start until the 1.0 release.
• Helmut Leitner (11/19) Aug 17 2004 I think it would be better to spread the load among different persons.
• Walter (17/24) Aug 17 2004 For me also, writing articles and books always reminds me of writing ter...
• antiAlias (7/11) Aug 17 2004 of
• Walter (6/17) Aug 17 2004 be
• Sha Chancellor (12/24) Aug 18 2004 I'm a little confused about array slicing still. Does it make a copy
• Ilya Minkov (4/7) Aug 18 2004 As opposed to Python, slicing never makes a copy of the data, it just
• Walter (3/9) Aug 18 2004 That's right.
• Walter (8/19) Aug 18 2004 No.
• Matthew (5/32) Aug 17 2004 I'll be happy to review D articles.
• Deja Augustine (3/30) Aug 17 2004 Out of curiosity, how does one go about sumitting articles to CUJ or DDJ...
• Walter (3/4) Aug 17 2004 I just email it to them, with a subject line "Article Submission".
• Blue (6/10) Aug 17 2004 That might work for Walter ;) , but for others theirs usually a section ...
• Matthew (18/54) Aug 17 2004 You'll need a proposal, which should be a couple of paragraphs saying wh...
• Matthew (5/21) Aug 17 2004 Well, I don't think it's a state secret that Walter and I are going to b...
• kinghajj (1/3) Aug 17 2004 Really? What books have you written, Matthew?
• Matthew (7/10) Aug 17 2004 Well, the term "professional author" is Helmut's term, not mine.
• kinghajj (3/15) Aug 17 2004 Great! The day a D programming book is on the shelves at B&N will be a g...
• John Reimer (4/13) Aug 17 2004 AHHH! You had to ask him that question!
• Matthew (2/15) Aug 17 2004 Consider me ribbed. :)
• Chris S. (5/13) Aug 16 2004 Better title:
• kinghajj (2/4) Aug 16 2004 No, no. no: "The D Programming Language ... Don't Laugh! Check it out!".
• Gold Dragon (3/13) Aug 22 2004 "D Programming Language in yo Mo fo face! Bitch!" or something.

kinghajj <kinghajj_member pathlink.com> writes:

Walter: do you ever plan on writing a book on D? K&R had "The C Programming
Language", Stroustrup had "The C++ Programming Language". Are you going to write
a "The D Programming Language"? It would be nice if you did :)

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

"kinghajj" <kinghajj_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:cfpvkd$22cc$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Walter: do you ever plan on writing a book on D? K&R had "The C

Programming
 Language", Stroustrup had "The C++ Programming Language". Are you going to

write
 a "The D Programming Language"? It would be nice if you did :)

Yes, it's just that I'm not a very good writer :-(

kinghajj <kinghajj_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <cfqt3v$2nem$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
Yes, it's just that I'm not a very good writer :-(

Nor are most of us... just try your best!

Ilya Minkov <minkov cs.tum.edu> writes:

kinghajj schrieb:

 In article <cfqt3v$2nem$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
 
Yes, it's just that I'm not a very good writer :-(

 
 Nor are most of us... just try your best!

Just that Walter probably has better things to do. Like improving the 
language and the compiler.

-eye

kinghajj <kinghajj_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <cfrd7n$bp$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Ilya Minkov says...
kinghajj schrieb:

 In article <cfqt3v$2nem$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
 
Yes, it's just that I'm not a very good writer :-(

 
 Nor are most of us... just try your best!

Just that Walter probably has better things to do. Like improving the 
language and the compiler.

-eye

True, so he probably shouldn't start until the 1.0 release.

Helmut Leitner <leitner hls.via.at> writes:

kinghajj wrote:
 
 In article <cfqt3v$2nem$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
Yes, it's just that I'm not a very good writer :-(

 
 Nor are most of us... just try your best!

I think it would be better to spread the load among different persons.

A professional author (like Matthew for example) can do it much easier
and without negative effects on language development and support.

The problem is perhaps that the language must be stable, otherwise
this "language bible" is quickly outdated. 

There should also be program examples for all important application 
areas to let D really shine. 

-- 
Helmut Leitner    leitner hls.via.at
Graz, Austria   www.hls-software.com

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

"Helmut Leitner" <leitner hls.via.at> wrote in message
news:412200EF.42A6A05B hls.via.at...
 I think it would be better to spread the load among different persons.

 A professional author (like Matthew for example) can do it much easier
 and without negative effects on language development and support.

 The problem is perhaps that the language must be stable, otherwise
 this "language bible" is quickly outdated.

 There should also be program examples for all important application
 areas to let D really shine.

For me also, writing articles and books always reminds me of writing term
papers back in college. Not my favorite task <g>. Matthew and I have written
some articles about D and they've been published in CUJ and DDJ. I have
another one pending with DDJ.

But there's nothing stopping anyone here from writing articles about D. I
know I'm a little weary of reading articles about C++, so much ground has
been repeatedly covered by articles that newer articles seem to be mostly
about esoterica, not much of interest to mainstream C++ coding. But the
article space for D is vast, unexplored territory, and fertile ground for
articles. And CUJ and DDJ actually pay money for articles! Their editorial
staffs have indicated to me they are very receptive to articles about D.

Many of you are expert D programmers and are experts at particular kinds of
D programming applications. Writing articles about your products would be
straightforward, such as articles about unicode programming, gui
programming, threading, templates, etc. How about it?

"antiAlias" <fu bar.com> writes:

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:cftrke$1fg1$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Many of you are expert D programmers and are experts at particular kinds

of
 D programming applications. Writing articles about your products would be
 straightforward, such as articles about unicode programming, gui
 programming, threading, templates, etc. How about it?

How about one regarding the efficiency benefits of array-slicing? I might be
able to cobble something together based on results from mango.http.server &
mango.servlet (once 'primed', they make zero memory-allocations ~ the GC
simply never runs).

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

"antiAlias" <fu bar.com> wrote in message
news:cfu04n$1hq7$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:cftrke$1fg1$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Many of you are expert D programmers and are experts at particular kinds

 of
 D programming applications. Writing articles about your products would


be
 straightforward, such as articles about unicode programming, gui
 programming, threading, templates, etc. How about it?

 How about one regarding the efficiency benefits of array-slicing? I might

be
 able to cobble something together based on results from mango.http.server

&
 mango.servlet (once 'primed', they make zero memory-allocations ~ the GC
 simply never runs).

I think that has potential to be a great article!

Sha Chancellor <schancel pacific.net> writes:

In article <cfu04n$1hq7$1 digitaldaemon.com>, "antiAlias" <fu bar.com> 
wrote:

 "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:cftrke$1fg1$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Many of you are expert D programmers and are experts at particular kinds

 of
 D programming applications. Writing articles about your products would be
 straightforward, such as articles about unicode programming, gui
 programming, threading, templates, etc. How about it?

 
 How about one regarding the efficiency benefits of array-slicing? I might be
 able to cobble something together based on results from mango.http.server &
 mango.servlet (once 'primed', they make zero memory-allocations ~ the GC
 simply never runs).

I'm a little confused about array slicing still.   Does it make a copy 
of the data?  Or is it just a pointer to the innards of another array 
and a length?

If so, I can see how this would be a huge performance advantage.  I once 
wrote a parser that would read the file into memory, and make little 
copies of the data it needed from the database all over.  Really silly.

Then I re-implemented it with "slicing" basically. I destroyed the byte 
prior to the data with the length of the data and stored a pointer to it 
in my index.  Basically making a bunch of pascal strings.  The speed 
increase was outrageous.

Ilya Minkov <minkov cs.tum.edu> writes:

Sha Chancellor schrieb:

 I'm a little confused about array slicing still.   Does it make a copy 
 of the data?  Or is it just a pointer to the innards of another array 
 and a length?

As opposed to Python, slicing never makes a copy of the data, it just 
creates another pointer. But be aware that concatenation always copies.

-eye

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

"Ilya Minkov" <minkov cs.tum.edu> wrote in message
news:cg0dvd$ve3$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Sha Chancellor schrieb:

 I'm a little confused about array slicing still.   Does it make a copy
 of the data?  Or is it just a pointer to the innards of another array
 and a length?

 As opposed to Python, slicing never makes a copy of the data, it just
 creates another pointer. But be aware that concatenation always copies.

That's right.

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

"Sha Chancellor" <schancel pacific.net> wrote in message
news:schancel-484B81.09180718082004 digitalmars.com...
 I'm a little confused about array slicing still.   Does it make a copy
 of the data?

No.

  Or is it just a pointer to the innards of another array
 and a length?

Yes. It explicitly does not copy.

 If so, I can see how this would be a huge performance advantage.  I once
 wrote a parser that would read the file into memory, and make little
 copies of the data it needed from the database all over.  Really silly.

Yup.

 Then I re-implemented it with "slicing" basically. I destroyed the byte
 prior to the data with the length of the data and stored a pointer to it
 in my index.  Basically making a bunch of pascal strings.  The speed
 increase was outrageous.

Yup <g>. One neato thing about gc is it makes slicing practical. So, while
gc can sometimes be slower, your app can overall be sped up quite a bit.
This issue is poorly understood, and so would make a great article.

"Matthew" <admin.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:cftrke$1fg1$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Helmut Leitner" <leitner hls.via.at> wrote in message
 news:412200EF.42A6A05B hls.via.at...
 I think it would be better to spread the load among different persons.

 A professional author (like Matthew for example) can do it much easier
 and without negative effects on language development and support.

 The problem is perhaps that the language must be stable, otherwise
 this "language bible" is quickly outdated.

 There should also be program examples for all important application
 areas to let D really shine.

 For me also, writing articles and books always reminds me of writing term
 papers back in college. Not my favorite task <g>. Matthew and I have written
 some articles about D and they've been published in CUJ and DDJ. I have
 another one pending with DDJ.

 But there's nothing stopping anyone here from writing articles about D. I
 know I'm a little weary of reading articles about C++, so much ground has
 been repeatedly covered by articles that newer articles seem to be mostly
 about esoterica, not much of interest to mainstream C++ coding. But the
 article space for D is vast, unexplored territory, and fertile ground for
 articles. And CUJ and DDJ actually pay money for articles! Their editorial
 staffs have indicated to me they are very receptive to articles about D.

 Many of you are expert D programmers and are experts at particular kinds of
 D programming applications. Writing articles about your products would be
 straightforward, such as articles about unicode programming, gui
 programming, threading, templates, etc. How about it?

I'll be happy to review D articles.

And I'd even be prepared to co-author some, as long as it would be a true
division of labour, rather than me just doing
it all. ;)

Matthew

Deja Augustine <Deja_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <cftrke$1fg1$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
"Helmut Leitner" <leitner hls.via.at> wrote in message
news:412200EF.42A6A05B hls.via.at...
 I think it would be better to spread the load among different persons.

 A professional author (like Matthew for example) can do it much easier
 and without negative effects on language development and support.

 The problem is perhaps that the language must be stable, otherwise
 this "language bible" is quickly outdated.

 There should also be program examples for all important application
 areas to let D really shine.

For me also, writing articles and books always reminds me of writing term
papers back in college. Not my favorite task <g>. Matthew and I have written
some articles about D and they've been published in CUJ and DDJ. I have
another one pending with DDJ.

But there's nothing stopping anyone here from writing articles about D. I
know I'm a little weary of reading articles about C++, so much ground has
been repeatedly covered by articles that newer articles seem to be mostly
about esoterica, not much of interest to mainstream C++ coding. But the
article space for D is vast, unexplored territory, and fertile ground for
articles. And CUJ and DDJ actually pay money for articles! Their editorial
staffs have indicated to me they are very receptive to articles about D.

Many of you are expert D programmers and are experts at particular kinds of
D programming applications. Writing articles about your products would be
straightforward, such as articles about unicode programming, gui
programming, threading, templates, etc. How about it?


Out of curiosity, how does one go about sumitting articles to CUJ or DDJ?

-Deja

"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:

"Deja Augustine" <Deja_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:cfum32$21ab$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Out of curiosity, how does one go about sumitting articles to CUJ or DDJ?

I just email it to them, with a subject line "Article Submission".

Blue <Blue_member pathlink.com> writes:

That might work for Walter ;) , but for others theirs usually a section in the
magazine on how to submit articles, each month has a topic etc, must be word
document ... dont quote me on that but you get the gist, its near the end
usually.

Blue


In article <cfumqr$21uq$2 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
"Deja Augustine" <Deja_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:cfum32$21ab$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Out of curiosity, how does one go about sumitting articles to CUJ or DDJ?

I just email it to them, with a subject line "Article Submission".

"Matthew" <admin.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:

"Deja Augustine" <Deja_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:cfum32$21ab$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 In article <cftrke$1fg1$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
"Helmut Leitner" <leitner hls.via.at> wrote in message
news:412200EF.42A6A05B hls.via.at...
 I think it would be better to spread the load among different persons.

 A professional author (like Matthew for example) can do it much easier
 and without negative effects on language development and support.

 The problem is perhaps that the language must be stable, otherwise
 this "language bible" is quickly outdated.

 There should also be program examples for all important application
 areas to let D really shine.

For me also, writing articles and books always reminds me of writing term
papers back in college. Not my favorite task <g>. Matthew and I have written
some articles about D and they've been published in CUJ and DDJ. I have
another one pending with DDJ.

But there's nothing stopping anyone here from writing articles about D. I
know I'm a little weary of reading articles about C++, so much ground has
been repeatedly covered by articles that newer articles seem to be mostly
about esoterica, not much of interest to mainstream C++ coding. But the
article space for D is vast, unexplored territory, and fertile ground for
articles. And CUJ and DDJ actually pay money for articles! Their editorial
staffs have indicated to me they are very receptive to articles about D.

Many of you are expert D programmers and are experts at particular kinds of
D programming applications. Writing articles about your products would be
straightforward, such as articles about unicode programming, gui
programming, threading, templates, etc. How about it?


 Out of curiosity, how does one go about sumitting articles to CUJ or DDJ?

You'll need a proposal, which should be a couple of paragraphs saying what's
interesting and/or unique about your

etc.

Since I'm wildly overexposed in both those mags, I have some experience with
the process. If you want to fire a proposal
across my bows before you submit it, that's perfectly fine with me. :)


-- 
Matthew Wilson

Author: "Imperfect C++", Addison-Wesley, 2004
    (http://www.imperfectcplusplus.com)
Contributing editor, C/C++ Users Journal
    (http://www.synesis.com.au/articles.html#columns)
Director, Synesis Software
    (www.synesis.com.au)
STLSoft moderator
    (http://www.stlsoft.org)

"Youth ages, Immaturity is outgrown, Ignorance can be educated, drunkeness
sobered. But stupid lasts forever",
Aristophenes

-----------------------------------------------------

"Matthew" <admin.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:

"Helmut Leitner" <leitner hls.via.at> wrote in message
news:412200EF.42A6A05B hls.via.at...
 kinghajj wrote:
 In article <cfqt3v$2nem$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
Yes, it's just that I'm not a very good writer :-(

 Nor are most of us... just try your best!

 I think it would be better to spread the load among different persons.

 A professional author (like Matthew for example) can do it much easier
 and without negative effects on language development and support.

Well, I don't think it's a state secret that Walter and I are going to be
writing a book on D in the non-too distant
future. We just need to (i) get the time and (ii) ensure that the language is
sufficiently mature and stable such that
the book is not outdated (as Helmut sagely observes below)

 The problem is perhaps that the language must be stable, otherwise
 this "language bible" is quickly outdated.

 There should also be program examples for all important application
 areas to let D really shine.

Good point.

kinghajj <kinghajj_member pathlink.com> writes:

"Helmut Leitner" <leitner hls.via.at> wrote in message
news:412200EF.42A6A05B hls.via.at...

 A professional author (like Matthew for example) ...


Really? What books have you written, Matthew?

"Matthew" <admin.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:

"kinghajj" <kinghajj_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:cfu9br$1lmj$1 digitaldaemon.com...
"Helmut Leitner" <leitner hls.via.at> wrote in message
news:412200EF.42A6A05B hls.via.at...

 A professional author (like Matthew for example) ...


 Really? What books have you written, Matthew?

Well, the term "professional author" is Helmut's term, not mine.

Nonetheless, I have been doing a lot of writing over the last couple of years.
Check out
http://www.synesis.com.au/articles.html.

My first published book, "Imperfect C++", is out on Sept 9th
(http://www.imperfectcplusplus.com/,
http://www.awprofessional.com/titles/0321228774/).

I am working on three other books, one of which isn't about C++. You guess what
language ...

kinghajj <kinghajj_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <cfu9ip$1lpv$2 digitaldaemon.com>, Matthew says...
"kinghajj" <kinghajj_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:cfu9br$1lmj$1 digitaldaemon.com...
"Helmut Leitner" <leitner hls.via.at> wrote in message
news:412200EF.42A6A05B hls.via.at...

 A professional author (like Matthew for example) ...


 Really? What books have you written, Matthew?

Well, the term "professional author" is Helmut's term, not mine.

Nonetheless, I have been doing a lot of writing over the last couple of years.
Check out
http://www.synesis.com.au/articles.html.

My first published book, "Imperfect C++", is out on Sept 9th
(http://www.imperfectcplusplus.com/,
http://www.awprofessional.com/titles/0321228774/).

I am working on three other books, one of which isn't about C++. You guess what
language ...

Great! The day a D programming book is on the shelves at B&N will be a great
day. 

John Reimer <brk_6502 NOSP_AM.yahoo.com> writes:

kinghajj wrote:

"Helmut Leitner" <leitner hls.via.at> wrote in message
news:412200EF.42A6A05B hls.via.at...

 
 
A professional author (like Matthew for example) ...


 
 
 Really? What books have you written, Matthew?
 
 

AHHH! You had to ask him that question!

<g>

Just ribbing you, Matthew  ;-)

"Matthew" <admin.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:

"John Reimer" <brk_6502 NOSP_AM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cfuqat$22tq$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 kinghajj wrote:

"Helmut Leitner" <leitner hls.via.at> wrote in message
news:412200EF.42A6A05B hls.via.at...


A professional author (like Matthew for example) ...



 Really? What books have you written, Matthew?

 AHHH! You had to ask him that question!

 <g>

 Just ribbing you, Matthew  ;-)

Consider me ribbed. :)

Chris S. <Chris_member pathlink.com> writes:

Better title:

"The D Programming Language... seriously."

-Chris S.
-Invironz

In article <cfqt3v$2nem$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
"kinghajj" <kinghajj_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:cfpvkd$22cc$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Walter: do you ever plan on writing a book on D? K&R had "The C

Programming
 Language", Stroustrup had "The C++ Programming Language". Are you going to

write
 a "The D Programming Language"? It would be nice if you did :)

Yes, it's just that I'm not a very good writer :-(

kinghajj <kinghajj_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <cfr625$2sul$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Chris S. says...
Better title:

"The D Programming Language... seriously."

No, no. no: "The D Programming Language ... Don't Laugh! Check it out!".

Gold Dragon <dragonwing dragonu.net> writes:

"D Programming Language in yo Mo fo face! Bitch!" or something.

It isn't funny but to me it is and sorry to anyone it may or may not have
offended.


kinghajj wrote:
 In article <cfr625$2sul$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Chris S. says...
 
Better title:

"The D Programming Language... seriously."

 
 No, no. no: "The D Programming Language ... Don't Laugh! Check it out!".