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reply "Harold Braithwaite" <hmb123123 yahoo.com> writes:
How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards
...
Aug 14 2004
next sibling parent reply Arcane Jill <Arcane_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <cflqkj$2lgb$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Harold Braithwaite says...

How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

Oh yes! But I don't play an instrument, I compose.
I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards

I have a strong suspicion that there are likely to be many polymaths in amongst this newsgroup. Creativity is rarely channelled in one direction only (software). I'd expect to find that many of us are also artists, writers, etc.. Jill
Aug 14 2004
next sibling parent Derek <derek psyc.ward> writes:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:47:02 +0000 (UTC), Arcane Jill wrote:

 In article <cflqkj$2lgb$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Harold Braithwaite says...
 
How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

Oh yes! But I don't play an instrument, I compose.

Hey! Me too.
I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards

I have a strong suspicion that there are likely to be many polymaths in amongst this newsgroup. Creativity is rarely channelled in one direction only (software). I'd expect to find that many of us are also artists, writers, etc..

I write RPG scripts too. -- Derek Melbourne, Australia
Aug 14 2004
prev sibling parent reply Matthias Becker <Matthias_member pathlink.com> writes:
How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

Oh yes! But I don't play an instrument, I compose.

You compose without any instruments? Interesting. How do you do that?
Aug 15 2004
parent reply Arcane Jill <Arcane_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <cfnbdf$dg5$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Matthias Becker says...
How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

Oh yes! But I don't play an instrument, I compose.

You compose without any instruments? Interesting. How do you do that?

In exactly the same way that one can write a speech without any microphones. There are plenty of high quality music notation authoring packages out there, and you can feed the output through MIDI to a keyboard or sound module to hear the result. I use standard music notation for most instruments, but I usually switch to some other view for entering the drums, if drums are required. If you're writing a composition for a non-trivial number of instruments then being able to play one of them probably wouldn't help you anyway, because you really do need to be able to hear all of those instruments at once. (Anyway, you hear them in your head long before you write them down). It's also great fun working with a band. I'm not in an active band right now, but I have been in the past, and I wrote songs and did a bit of vocals. My fellow musicians were able to play stuff but couldn't write it down, so we made a good team. Although I wouldn't be able to play live on my own, my equipment is my "instrument", and it's every bit as valid as any other. Plus, there is something incredibly powerful about being able to write and record an entire song, or even an entire album, without having to rely on anyone else. Before I got married or engaged, I wrote and recorded a symphony for my now husband. Okay, so it may not have been performed by a real orchestra, but sound modules are pretty good these days (and I did hire a professional soprano for the aria bit). His reaction upon receiving and hearing this gift is something I shall treasure forever. Jill
Aug 15 2004
parent reply Matthias Becker <Matthias_member pathlink.com> writes:
Oh yes!
But I don't play an instrument, I compose.

You compose without any instruments? Interesting. How do you do that?

In exactly the same way that one can write a speech without any microphones.

That's not the same. If you have a text you can read it every where. But notes are not enough if we talk about modern music. How to note the position of a WahWah (this is an effect for a guitar)? How to note filterstates of synthesisers? In modern music the sound is very important. You aren't restricted to a few instruments like strings, piano, ... . You have an unlimited number of synthetic "instruments". E.g. my song: http://files.limix-games.com/returning/ErsterVersuchLangsam.mp3 Imagine this written down in pure notes. I can do it, no problem, but it won'T be the same, if somebody else plays ist according to the notes wthout any knowledge about the sounds I used. (BTW, I composed this song fo an adventure game like myst/riven).
There are plenty of high quality music notation authoring packages out there,
and you can feed the output through MIDI to a keyboard or sound module to hear
the result. 

Well, today we have things like VST. We normaly combine soft and hardware instead of only using hardware.
I use standard music notation for most instruments, but I usually
switch to some other view for entering the drums, if drums are required.

I olmoast never use standard notation. It's too hard to get the dynamic right. And I can't use this notation to note effect-states, etc.
If
you're writing a composition for a non-trivial number of instruments then being
able to play one of them probably wouldn't help you anyway, because you really
do need to be able to hear all of those instruments at once.

It helps you a lot if you can play piano (I'm very bad at it, but even this little bit helps me a lot). You can use keyboards to play any virtual instrument.
(Anyway, you hear
them in your head long before you write them down). 

I never "hear" my instruments before I play them. There are people that do (well you do it, too). But I experiment with the sound (you can see this in the song I posted above). And what about improvisions? Ever done something like jazz or rock? Do you "here" whole solos before you play them? I can't imagine that.
Although I wouldn't be able to play live on my own, my equipment is my
"instrument", and it's every bit as valid as any other. 

Of course it is.
Plus, there is something
incredibly powerful about being able to write and record an entire song, or even
an entire album, without having to rely on anyone else. 

Uh, you mean you do the mastering on your own, too? -- Matthias Becker
Aug 16 2004
parent reply "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
"Matthias Becker" <Matthias_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:cfpvpo$22f8$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 E.g. my song:

 http://files.limix-games.com/returning/ErsterVersuchLangsam.mp3

 Imagine this written down in pure notes. I can do it, no problem, but it

 be the same, if somebody else plays ist according to the notes wthout any
 knowledge about the sounds I used. (BTW, I composed this song fo an

 game like myst/riven).

Would you be interested in doing a sound bite for Empire? (www.classicempire.com) If you hear my rendition of "Taps" on a kid's toy keyboard (for when you lose the game) you'll see it's badly in need of help <g>. I can't pay anything for it, it would be just for fun.
Aug 19 2004
next sibling parent reply J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> writes:
Walter wrote:
 "Matthias Becker" <Matthias_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
 news:cfpvpo$22f8$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 
E.g. my song:

http://files.limix-games.com/returning/ErsterVersuchLangsam.mp3

Imagine this written down in pure notes. I can do it, no problem, but it

won'T
be the same, if somebody else plays ist according to the notes wthout any
knowledge about the sounds I used. (BTW, I composed this song fo an

adventure
game like myst/riven).

Would you be interested in doing a sound bite for Empire? (www.classicempire.com) If you hear my rendition of "Taps" on a kid's toy keyboard (for when you lose the game) you'll see it's badly in need of help <g>. I can't pay anything for it, it would be just for fun.

Here's my stab at "Taps": http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/downloads.html I used a program called MusicTime that I bought several years ago in combination with my Casio CT-680 keyboard which I've had for an even longer time. Enjoy! -- Justin (a/k/a jcc7) http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/
Aug 19 2004
next sibling parent John Reimer <brk_6502 NOSP_AM.yahoo.com> writes:
 Here's my stab at "Taps": http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/downloads.html
 
 I used a program called MusicTime that I bought several years ago in 
 combination with my Casio CT-680 keyboard which I've had for an even 
 longer time.
 
 Enjoy!
 

I like it!
Aug 19 2004
prev sibling parent reply "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
"J C Calvarese" <jcc7 cox.net> wrote in message
news:cg3olf$2p2f$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Would you be interested in doing a sound bite for Empire?
 (www.classicempire.com) If you hear my rendition of "Taps" on a kid's


 keyboard (for when you lose the game) you'll see it's badly in need of


 <g>. I can't pay anything for it, it would be just for fun.

Here's my stab at "Taps": http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/downloads.html I used a program called MusicTime that I bought several years ago in combination with my Casio CT-680 keyboard which I've had for an even longer time. Enjoy!

That's certainly a thousand times better than mine!
Aug 23 2004
parent reply Matthias Becker <Matthias_member pathlink.com> writes:
http://helium.ex0.org/neueTaps.zip

Sounds a bit stupid I know, but I don't realy know what should be played. I'm
not used to do such short sounds.

I think I have to do something better when I find some time.

-- Matthias Becker
Aug 24 2004
parent "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
Thanks!

"Matthias Becker" <Matthias_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:cgg32o$15cr$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 http://helium.ex0.org/neueTaps.zip

 Sounds a bit stupid I know, but I don't realy know what should be played.

 not used to do such short sounds.

 I think I have to do something better when I find some time.

 -- Matthias Becker

Aug 27 2004
prev sibling parent Matthias Becker <Matthias_member pathlink.com> writes:
Would you be interested in doing a sound bite for Empire?
(www.classicempire.com) If you hear my rendition of "Taps" on a kid's toy
keyboard (for when you lose the game) you'll see it's badly in need of help
<g>. I can't pay anything for it, it would be just for fun.

something.
Aug 20 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Norbert Nemec <Norbert Nemec-online.de> writes:
Singing, saxophon, dancing - what do you want? Funny thing though: Even
though I am a completely rational thinker when it comes to physics, math
and computers, I never got along well with music theory. I enjoy it and
feel when it is right or wrong, but I have never really understood the
explanations why it should be that way...


Harold Braithwaite wrote:

 How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?
 
 I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards
 ...

Aug 14 2004
parent Matthias Becker <Matthias_member pathlink.com> writes:
Singing, saxophon, dancing - what do you want? Funny thing though: Even
though I am a completely rational thinker when it comes to physics, math
and computers, I never got along well with music theory. I enjoy it and
feel when it is right or wrong, but I have never really understood the
explanations why it should be that way...

Well it can help you a lot, especially if you wnat to work with other people.
Aug 15 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent Derek <derek psyc.ward> writes:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:56:25 -0700, Harold Braithwaite wrote:

 How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

Does composing count?
 I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards

I torture my clarinet from time to time. -- Derek Melbourne, Australia
Aug 14 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent Ant <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> writes:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:56:25 -0700, Harold Braithwaite wrote:

 How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

count me in :) piano (but the square type, Bach, Beethoven, Chopin) violin, absolute beginer! Ant
Aug 14 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply pragma <EricAnderton at yahoo dot com> <pragma_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <cflqkj$2lgb$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Harold Braithwaite says...
How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards

That's scary. I play guitar and keyboards too. Even toured with a local band around here (Washington, DC) for a while last year. Although, I've been writing so much code lately, the strings have been getting a bit rusty. :( - Pragma
Aug 14 2004
next sibling parent "van eeshan" <vanee hotmail.net> writes:
That's odd Eric; I find that D has me playing more often than before ... <g>

(just kidding)


"pragma" <EricAnderton at yahoo dot compragma_member pathlink.com> wrote in
message news:cfmfso$2t4d$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 In article <cflqkj$2lgb$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Harold Braithwaite says...
How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards

That's scary. I play guitar and keyboards too. Even toured with a local

 around here (Washington, DC) for a while last year.  Although, I've been

 so much code lately, the strings have been getting a bit rusty. :(

 - Pragma

Aug 14 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent "van eeshan" <vanee hotmail.net> writes:
Forgot to note that I'm a erstwhile guitarist

"pragma" <EricAnderton at yahoo dot compragma_member pathlink.com> wrote in
message news:cfmfso$2t4d$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 In article <cflqkj$2lgb$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Harold Braithwaite says...
How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards

That's scary. I play guitar and keyboards too. Even toured with a local

 around here (Washington, DC) for a while last year.  Although, I've been

 so much code lately, the strings have been getting a bit rusty. :(

 - Pragma

Aug 14 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply teqDruid <me teqdruid.com> writes:
Speaking of the DC area, I'm start at the University of Maryland in a few
weeks... how's the D user group in that area?

(and yes, I've played piano, violin, guitar, and made feeble attempts at
singing at various times in the past)

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:56:40 +0000, pragma wrote:

 In article <cflqkj$2lgb$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Harold Braithwaite says...
How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards

That's scary. I play guitar and keyboards too. Even toured with a local band around here (Washington, DC) for a while last year. Although, I've been writing so much code lately, the strings have been getting a bit rusty. :( - Pragma

Aug 15 2004
parent pragma <EricAnderton at yahoo dot com> <pragma_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <pan.2004.08.15.09.00.19.258863 teqdruid.com>, teqDruid says...
Speaking of the DC area, I'm start at the University of Maryland in a few
weeks... how's the D user group in that area?

D user group in DC... as far as I know there isn't one. When you get into town, shoot me an email, maybe we can start one up. - Pragma
Aug 15 2004
prev sibling parent reply ninjadroid <ninjadroid_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <cfmfso$2t4d$1 digitaldaemon.com>, pragma <EricAnderton at yahoo dot
com> says...
That's scary.  I play guitar and keyboards too.  Even toured with a local band
around here (Washington, DC) for a while last year.  Although, I've been writing
so much code lately, the strings have been getting a bit rusty. :(

DC area eh? I was in a band in the Baltimore area for a relatively recent while. I'm an industrial/metal guitarist kinda guy myself, although I don't have much to show for it since I've been busy writing a sound app for Linux (http://www.gazuga.net), and teaching myself how to program in the process. Yeah, it's in C, so sue me... http://esm.opensrc.org for the one "song" I threw together to prove that my newbie self could actually write functioning code, if anyone's interested. Oh, yeah, I'm new here, so "greetings to all" and such. Hmm... what can I say to make me seem brash and arrogant in my frist psot? How about, "resist the evil temptation of featuritis." I get afear'd watchin' some of the discussions =-O --Pete
Aug 28 2004
parent reply pragma <pragma_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <cgq7b4$2vca$1 digitaldaemon.com>, ninjadroid says...
In article <cfmfso$2t4d$1 digitaldaemon.com>, pragma <EricAnderton at yahoo dot
com> says...
That's scary.  I play guitar and keyboards too.  Even toured with a local band
around here (Washington, DC) for a while last year.  Although, I've been writing
so much code lately, the strings have been getting a bit rusty. :(

DC area eh? I was in a band in the Baltimore area for a relatively recent while. I'm an industrial/metal guitarist kinda guy myself, although I don't have much to show for it since I've been busy writing a sound app for Linux (http://www.gazuga.net), and teaching myself how to program in the process. Yeah, it's in C, so sue me...

Awesome. Glad to meet some more quasi-local D enthusiasts. Lemme get OT here for a sec. I listened to the sample you had up there for your software... wow. Nifty stuff... and terribly reminiscent of a "demo secene" chiptune (see: www.scenemusic.org).
http://esm.opensrc.org for the one "song" I threw together to prove that my
newbie self could actually write functioning code, if anyone's interested.

Open source insdustiral music? That got my attention - nice touch. I listened to the riffs and beats: your chops beat mine to hell and back (f4.ogg seems to be coming along quite nicely).
Oh, yeah, I'm new here, so "greetings to all" and such.  Hmm... what can I say
to make me seem brash and arrogant in my frist psot?  How about, "resist the
evil temptation of featuritis."  I get afear'd watchin' some of the discussions
=-O

Welcome to the group!
Aug 28 2004
parent ninjadroid <ninjadroid_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <cgqj9l$24o$1 digitaldaemon.com>, pragma says...
I listened to the sample you had up there for your software... wow.  Nifty
stuff... and terribly reminiscent of a "demo secene" chiptune (see:
www.scenemusic.org).

Hey, thanks for the linkage, let me throw one back at ya: www.kohina.com Yeah, it is very chippy, mainly because I wanted to show off how easy it is to get that one-octave square-wave oscillated pitch sound. Uber retro, uber schweet. I also had just discovered www.machinaesupremacy.com and was blown away by their amalgam of SID (which was completely new to me) and metal. Hence, I figured the demo should be a lil' tribute of sorts.
Open source insdustiral music?   That got my attention - nice touch.  I listened
to the riffs and beats: your chops beat mine to hell and back (f4.ogg seems to
be coming along quite nicely).

Don't feel too bad about the chops thing, I'm pretty sure every guitarist is quite unhappy with what he's got (I know I sure as hell am). The song is going to get a *total* overhaul once I finish creating a new GUI for my app. The engine works well, but the interface makes it a pain to be creative and productive with it, hence f4.ogg sounds really unfinished.
Welcome to the group!

Ah, I feel the love.
Aug 30 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
"Harold Braithwaite" <hmb123123 yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cflqkj$2lgb$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

I failed at playing the trumpet. Does that count?
Aug 14 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent Deja Augustine <Deja_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <cflqkj$2lgb$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Harold Braithwaite says...
How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards
...

Right now, I'm primarily a singer (I'm playing Judas in a production of Godspell which opens next weekend) and I can make sounds that are not completely painful and only make one or two babies start crying on a myriad of instruments (Guitar, Piano, Violin, Trumpet, French Horn, Saxophone, Flute, Clarinet, Drums, etc... for a few examples) -Deja
Aug 14 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Helmut Leitner <helmut.leitner wikiservice.at> writes:
Harold Braithwaite wrote:
 
 How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?
 
 I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards
 ...

I'm a mediocre guitar player and a bad singer. It's enough to get rid of my frustrations, but not enough to make others enjoy listening. -- Helmut Leitner leitner hls.via.at Graz, Austria www.hls-software.com
Aug 15 2004
parent Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> writes:
Helmut Leitner wrote:
 
 Harold Braithwaite wrote:
 
How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards
...

I'm a mediocre guitar player and a bad singer. It's enough to get rid of my frustrations, but not enough to make others enjoy listening.

Aug 16 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply John Reimer <brk_6502 NOSP_AM.yahoo.com> writes:
Harold Braithwaite wrote:
 How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?
 
 I take my D frustrations out on poor, unsuspecting, guitars and keyboards
 ...
 

I'm a neophyte guitarist with a hopeless wistfulness for classical guitar playing skill. Also some Russian friends gave me a taste of the spectacular Russian guitar style that's almost been lost to the known world... absolutely beautiful and melodious. They play some incredible Russian hymns with the method. I wish I could learn that style too.... alas I might only dream on.
Aug 15 2004
parent Nick <Nick_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <cfna8b$d0g$1 digitaldaemon.com>, John Reimer says...
I'm a neophyte guitarist with a hopeless wistfulness for classical 
guitar playing skill.

Well that sounds terribly familiar :) Unfortunately I haven't found much time to practice lately. Always having a million things I want to do (or am supposed to do), the things that take much time and effort tend to get down-prioritized... Nick
Aug 15 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent Matthias Becker <Matthias_member pathlink.com> writes:
How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

I play Trumpet and Guitar.
Aug 15 2004
prev sibling parent Ilya Minkov <minkov cs.tum.edu> writes:
Harold Braithwaite schrieb:
 How many of us here are musicians? And what instrument(s)?

Hummm... I wouldn't dare to call myself a musician. I cannot play any instrument well (although i own some), and i sing awfully. However, i have some knowledge in harmony, so i might dare to compose something someday, if i have time. Time, that's what it has failed upon, because it takes unbelievable amounts of time just to learn to play. What i have wonderfully succeded in, is sampling, and (very naturally sounding) MIDI taping. I better like to call myself a learning graphic artist - that takes up much less time, and is much more wanted in the demoscene. Although this might also fail on the lack of time. -eye
Aug 15 2004