digitalmars.D - Back again
- Helmut Leitner <leitner hls.via.at> Aug 13 2004
- Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> Aug 13 2004
- J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> Aug 13 2004
- Charlie <Charlie_member pathlink.com> Aug 13 2004
- Helmut Leitner <leitner hls.via.at> Aug 14 2004
After a 9-month timeout I report back to duty. :-) Everything seems to have developed quickly, the newgroup is even more vivid than it was, the wiki has developed well, dsource is available, a number of new high quality contributors are active... Would you help me to get up to speed again? - what are the main advances since dmd 0.78 ? - what is Linux situation? - how far has the standard-library advanced? - what is the status of gui library (interfaces) development? - what is the status of namespace / import / symbol collision problems? - has Burton Radons vanished forever? Is CDIG continued by someone? - are there new developments with respect to IDE (make-tools, debugging)? - what are the most promising projects currently? -- Helmut Leitner leitner hls.via.at Graz, Austria www.hls-software.com
Aug 13 2004
Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> In article <411C8B9B.B1C326AD hls.via.at>, Helmut Leitner says...After a 9-month timeout I report back to duty. :-)
welcome backWould you help me to get up to speed again? - what are the main advances since dmd 0.78 ?
? real support for interfaces (the OO interfaces). fixed the OO inheritance idiosyncrasies. mixins. better support for generics. Variadic Function Parameters. rectangular arrays (but array instanciation/initialization is not good yet) less buggy. every thing feels better but it's still an adventure to use dmd for larger projects. Walter isn't include more features - only fixes.- what is Linux situation?
there a quite a few more posts from linux users! it's still missing debug info, support for dinamic libs. There is a linux distro to include DMD and DUI (couldn't find the announcement). (listdir (linux) is finally implemented on phobos)- how far has the standard-library advanced?
a quarter of an inch (maybe less), but check the DTL group. (std.stdio.writef functions replace printf!)- what is the status of gui library (interfaces) development?
I lost contact witht the DWT project (SWT conversion). (hey, DWT guys, you could post the progess more often!) DWT seems to be the only GUI project with more then 1 developer.- what is the status of namespace / import / symbol collision problems?
Still very troublesome. some projects reported some improvements a while back but I didn't notice that. The name resolution lookup rules was corrected and now free functions imported inside the body of classes will silently override the class methods - it's a mess. I give up on free functions alltoghter. The next version of DUI doesn't "import std." at all (uuuuhhh... I think).- has Burton Radons vanished forever?
Burton is alive but not contributing, only just some bug reports.Is CDIG continued by someone? - are there new developments with respect to IDE (make-tools, debugging)?
Charles from DIDE will start a new project (DIDE is gone) seems that existing IDE are geting support for D. Someone is working on a D pluggin for eclise (the one started by Andy) The number of users of leds has doubled but then the other guy move to some other IDE.- what are the most promising projects currently?
don't forget the check D on japan, the guys there are very quiet on these news groups but they are (at least were) light years ahead of what's going on here! Ant
Aug 13 2004
In article <411C8B9B.B1C326AD hls.via.at>, Helmut Leitner says...After a 9-month timeout I report back to duty. :-)
Everything seems to have developed quickly, the newgroup is even more vivid than it was, the wiki has developed well, dsource is available, a number of new high quality contributors are active... Would you help me to get up to speed again? - what are the main advances since dmd 0.78 ?
Mixins, typeof, typeid, typesafe varargs, and package attribute have been added. Walter has fixed some bugs.- what is Linux situation?
first-hand reports.- how far has the standard-library advanced?
in Phobos, but Walter doesn't seem to have to time to review it and include it. The Deimos project at dsource has some of that prospective code.- what is the status of gui library (interfaces) development?
http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?AvailableGuiLibraries DFL (http://www.dprogramming.com/dfl.php) is the newest addition to the list. It looked pretty promising at first glance.- what is the status of namespace / import / symbol collision problems?
Better error messages could be a lot of benefit.- has Burton Radons vanished forever? Is CDIG continued by someone?
The last thing that I heard from Burton on the subject of DIG: "Oh, yeah, I'm here. My plan is to snip up the loose ends in the library, get it so that it can be made portable, and make a final public release." (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/d_lab/message/61) Apparently, he intends to use DIG and D as the basis for a new language he's creating. Or something like that. These posts are from a while back, so he might have changed his mind by now. The unDig project at dsource (run by me, J Anderson, Carlos Santander) is an effort to keep it running (or at least compiling), but few improvement have been made.- are there new developments with respect to IDE (make-tools, debugging)?
Charles Sanders is retiring DIDE and replacing it with his upcoming "Elephant" project.- what are the most promising projects currently? -- Helmut Leitner leitner hls.via.at Graz, Austria www.hls-software.com
jcc7
Aug 13 2004
Hey Helmut welcome back,- how far has the standard-library advanced?
Not much, alot of better unicode support i think, i still think a group needs to take over but it would have to be unofficial and I doubt anyone wants it.- what is the status of namespace / import / symbol collision problems?
This is still my biggest problem with D, its usually easily overcome now ( im at around 1K loc now so relatively small now sure how it scales ) but still a nuisance, and to me theres no clear cause so its a guess work thing.- are there new developments with respect to IDE (make-tools, debugging)?
I have a simple MSVC project for the DMD front end ( if anyone wants it ), which im using to try to make a pro quality IDE with visual assist style code completion ( and sci tools 'understand' style navigation :) ) , and will tie in the debugger thats almost done. I read the NG occasionaly not sure what everyone else is doing :S. Dforms looks cool for a GUI havent yet used it i think Vathix is doing a form designer also. The eclipse plugin i think has made some progress, everyone totes eclipse as the next sliced bread so worth checking out for sure. emacs mode still having indent problems for me :S. Good to have u back! Charlie In article <411C8B9B.B1C326AD hls.via.at>, Helmut Leitner says...After a 9-month timeout I report back to duty. :-) Everything seems to have developed quickly, the newgroup is even more vivid than it was, the wiki has developed well, dsource is available, a number of new high quality contributors are active... Would you help me to get up to speed again? - what are the main advances since dmd 0.78 ? - what is Linux situation? - how far has the standard-library advanced? - what is the status of gui library (interfaces) development? - what is the status of namespace / import / symbol collision problems? - has Burton Radons vanished forever? Is CDIG continued by someone? - are there new developments with respect to IDE (make-tools, debugging)? - what are the most promising projects currently? -- Helmut Leitner leitner hls.via.at Graz, Austria www.hls-software.com
Aug 13 2004
Thank you all for the welcome (here and by e-mail) and the useful information. -- Helmut Leitner leitner hls.via.at Graz, Austria www.hls-software.com
Aug 14 2004