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reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
It seems it's not possible to post to the dmd.beta/dmd.devel/etc. lists  
via Gmane NNTP. How come? This used to work before, IIRC.
I wanted to report a regression in the latest DMD2 beta (  
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5976 ).

-- 
Best regards,
  Vladimir                            mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net
May 10 2011
next sibling parent "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> wrote in message 
news:op.vvaemvw5tuzx1w cybershadow.mshome.net...
 It seems it's not possible to post to the dmd.beta/dmd.devel/etc. lists 
 via Gmane NNTP. How come? This used to work before, IIRC.
 I wanted to report a regression in the latest DMD2 beta ( 
 http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5976 ).

AFAIK, the dmd beta group is just an email mailing list, not a newsgroup.
May 10 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 02:28:46 +0300, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:

 "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> wrote in message
 news:op.vvaemvw5tuzx1w cybershadow.mshome.net...
 It seems it's not possible to post to the dmd.beta/dmd.devel/etc. lists
 via Gmane NNTP. How come? This used to work before, IIRC.
 I wanted to report a regression in the latest DMD2 beta (
 http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5976 ).

AFAIK, the dmd beta group is just an email mailing list, not a newsgroup.

It's accessible via Gmane's NNTP service. Posting used to work, too. Now it doesn't. -- Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net
May 10 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Brad Roberts <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 It seems it's not possible to post to the dmd.beta/dmd.devel/etc. lists via
 Gmane NNTP. How come? This used to work before, IIRC.
 I wanted to report a regression in the latest DMD2 beta (
 http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5976 ).
 
 -- 
 Best regards,
 Vladimir                            mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net

Sorry, but all the gmane d groups come through my mail gateway of the digitalmars news server. I don't allow posts from non-subscribers. If you want to post, you'll have to subscribe directly. Later, Brad
May 10 2011
parent reply Brad Roberts <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Wed, 11 May 2011 03:25:02 +0300, Brad Roberts
 <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:
 
 Sorry, but all the gmane d groups come through my mail gateway of the
 digitalmars news server.  I don't allow posts from non-subscribers.

Why? Attempting to post to a Gmane newsgroup for the first time requires e-mail validation. Gmane sends an e-mail to confirm your post.
 If you want to post, you'll have to subscribe directly.

I don't see the point, but how do I do that (assuming it'll allow me to reply via NNTP)? -- Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net

I run a _mail_ gateway, not a news gateway. So, no, posting via nntp isn't going to work. As to why I require registration, it's spam prevention. I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as it's a very strong line of defense. I'm also not eager to trust gmane as an open relay point. You can visit http://lists.puremagic.com/ to see the various lists. Later, Brad
May 10 2011
next sibling parent reply Brad Roberts <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:39:44 +0300, Brad Roberts
 <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:
 
 I run a _mail_ gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.

Posting worked at one point. I hope you've disabled it out of practical considerations.

I've occasionally manually approved a few posts that have come through, but posting from non-subscribers has, as far as I recall, never worked. It would have been a misconfiguration. The practical consideration is the one I described above, spam prevention. It's necessary. There are many attempted posts per day to each of the lists I carry.
 You can visit http://lists.puremagic.com/ to see the various lists.

Bugger that... setting up an e-mail account/client configuration just to be able to report an occasional DMD beta bug is not worth it.

Bugs are best reported to bugzilla. The lists are for discussion. Sorry you feel that subscribing is too high a bar. Later, Brad
May 10 2011
parent Robert Clipsham <robert octarineparrot.com> writes:
On 11/05/2011 03:17, Brad Roberts wrote:
 Sorry you feel that subscribing is too high a bar.

I like having threaded messages actually be threaded so I know what's going on - which is why I like using a newsgroup, even for the mailing lists. What it does mean though is that I have to have my email inbox flooded with spam I don't want to read, just in the off chance I want to reply... And I can't reply in the place I'm reading it, I have to search through my email, find the post I want to reply to, then reply. Would it not be possible to allow gmane to be bidirectional but still require registration? That way I can post via gmane and you don't have to worry about spam. -- Robert http://octarineparrot.com/
May 11 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent reply KennyTM~ <kennytm gmail.com> writes:
On May 11, 11 09:39, Brad Roberts wrote:
 I run a_mail_  gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.

 You can visithttp://lists.puremagic.com/  to see the various lists.

 Later,
 Brad

*This* very newsgroup doesn't require registration and yet almost doesn't have spam. I don't see why posting via gmane is disallowed if spam prevention is the only reason.
May 10 2011
parent KennyTM~ <kennytm gmail.com> writes:
On May 11, 11 15:14, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
 On 2011-05-10 23:26, KennyTM~ wrote:
 On May 11, 11 09:39, Brad Roberts wrote:
 I run a_mail_  gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.

 You can visithttp://lists.puremagic.com/  to see the various lists.

 Later,
 Brad

*This* very newsgroup doesn't require registration and yet almost doesn't have spam. I don't see why posting via gmane is disallowed if spam prevention is the only reason.

Really? I haven't a clue how you could do that. I thought that all of the lists required registration. - Jonathan M Davis

I mean the digitalmars.D newsgroup in the news.digitalmars.com NNTP server, not the mailing lists.
May 11 2011
prev sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-05-11 04:12, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
 On 2011-05-10 19:01, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
 On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:39:44 +0300, Brad Roberts

 <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com>  wrote:
 I run a _mail_ gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.

Posting worked at one point. I hope you've disabled it out of practical considerations.
 You can visit http://lists.puremagic.com/ to see the various lists.

Bugger that... setting up an e-mail account/client configuration just to be able to report an occasional DMD beta bug is not worth it.

Do whatever works best for you, but I've found that using the mailing list verisons of all of the various D lists works better than using a newsgroup reader, because then I can have all of the newsgroup posts synced via imap. When using a newsgroup client, it was much harder to know which posts I had read and replied to and whatnot when switching machines. I don't have those problems when using an e-mail address with an e-mail client. I am a bit surprised that dmd-beta functions differently from the other groups though. I would have thought that it would be the same. - Jonathan M Davis

I prefer to use the newsgroup versions and I've setup Thunderbird to store its newsgroups folders/settings in my dropbox folder via symlinks. Maybe not the best solution but it works. -- /Jacob Carlborg
May 11 2011
parent Daniel Gibson <metalcaedes gmail.com> writes:
Am 11.05.2011 09:31, schrieb Jacob Carlborg:
 On 2011-05-11 04:12, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
 On 2011-05-10 19:01, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
 On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:39:44 +0300, Brad Roberts

 <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:
 I run a _mail_ gateway, not a news gateway. So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work. As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention. I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense. I'm also not eager to trust
 gmane as
 an open relay point.

Posting worked at one point. I hope you've disabled it out of practical considerations.
 You can visit http://lists.puremagic.com/ to see the various lists.

Bugger that... setting up an e-mail account/client configuration just to be able to report an occasional DMD beta bug is not worth it.

Do whatever works best for you, but I've found that using the mailing list verisons of all of the various D lists works better than using a newsgroup reader, because then I can have all of the newsgroup posts synced via imap. When using a newsgroup client, it was much harder to know which posts I had read and replied to and whatnot when switching machines. I don't have those problems when using an e-mail address with an e-mail client. I am a bit surprised that dmd-beta functions differently from the other groups though. I would have thought that it would be the same. - Jonathan M Davis

I prefer to use the newsgroup versions and I've setup Thunderbird to store its newsgroups folders/settings in my dropbox folder via symlinks. Maybe not the best solution but it works.

I prefer the NG versions because they're faster, i.e. it usually takes some minutes until a reply is sent by the ML while it's almost instantly available via NG. Obviously this doesn't help if the NG is just a frontend to a ML ;)
May 11 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 03:25:02 +0300, Brad Roberts  
<braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:

 Sorry, but all the gmane d groups come through my mail gateway of the
 digitalmars news server.  I don't allow posts from non-subscribers.

Why? Attempting to post to a Gmane newsgroup for the first time requires e-mail validation. Gmane sends an e-mail to confirm your post.
 If you want to post, you'll have to subscribe directly.

I don't see the point, but how do I do that (assuming it'll allow me to reply via NNTP)? -- Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net
May 10 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:39:44 +0300, Brad Roberts  
<braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:

 I run a _mail_ gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.

Posting worked at one point. I hope you've disabled it out of practical considerations.
 You can visit http://lists.puremagic.com/ to see the various lists.

Bugger that... setting up an e-mail account/client configuration just to be able to report an occasional DMD beta bug is not worth it. -- Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net
May 10 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:
On 2011-05-10 19:01, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
 On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:39:44 +0300, Brad Roberts
 
 <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:
 I run a _mail_ gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.

Posting worked at one point. I hope you've disabled it out of practical considerations.
 You can visit http://lists.puremagic.com/ to see the various lists.

Bugger that... setting up an e-mail account/client configuration just to be able to report an occasional DMD beta bug is not worth it.

Do whatever works best for you, but I've found that using the mailing list verisons of all of the various D lists works better than using a newsgroup reader, because then I can have all of the newsgroup posts synced via imap. When using a newsgroup client, it was much harder to know which posts I had read and replied to and whatnot when switching machines. I don't have those problems when using an e-mail address with an e-mail client. I am a bit surprised that dmd-beta functions differently from the other groups though. I would have thought that it would be the same. - Jonathan M Davis
May 10 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 05:17:41 +0300, Brad Roberts  
<braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:

 It would have been a misconfiguration.

Hmm, thanks for the clarification. The message I posted that got through was on December 15, in the d.runtime group.
 the one I described above, spam prevention.  It's necessary.  There are  
 many
 attempted posts per day to each of the lists I carry.

That's understandable, but may I ask if there are any problematic posts coming from Gmane?
 Sorry you feel that subscribing is too high a bar.

Subscribing is not enough. I'd need to either switch to reading those lists in an e-mail client, or create an e-mail setup just for posting. The alternative is to break threads or mess with e-mail headers manually, so that my replies are threaded. I hope this explains a bit where the bar really is for me. -- Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net
May 10 2011
prev sibling parent Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:
On 2011-05-10 23:26, KennyTM~ wrote:
 On May 11, 11 09:39, Brad Roberts wrote:
 I run a_mail_  gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.
 
 You can visithttp://lists.puremagic.com/  to see the various lists.
 
 Later,
 Brad

*This* very newsgroup doesn't require registration and yet almost doesn't have spam. I don't see why posting via gmane is disallowed if spam prevention is the only reason.

Really? I haven't a clue how you could do that. I thought that all of the lists required registration. - Jonathan M Davis
May 11 2011