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reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
It seems it's not possible to post to the dmd.beta/dmd.devel/etc. lists  
via Gmane NNTP. How come? This used to work before, IIRC.
I wanted to report a regression in the latest DMD2 beta (  
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5976 ).

-- 
Best regards,
  Vladimir                            mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net
May 10 2011
next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> wrote in message 
news:op.vvaemvw5tuzx1w cybershadow.mshome.net...

 It seems it's not possible to post to the dmd.beta/dmd.devel/etc. lists 
 via Gmane NNTP. How come? This used to work before, IIRC.
 I wanted to report a regression in the latest DMD2 beta ( 
 http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5976 ).


AFAIK, the dmd beta group is just an email mailing list, not a newsgroup.
May 10 2011
parent "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 02:28:46 +0300, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> wrote in message
 news:op.vvaemvw5tuzx1w cybershadow.mshome.net...

 It seems it's not possible to post to the dmd.beta/dmd.devel/etc. lists
 via Gmane NNTP. How come? This used to work before, IIRC.
 I wanted to report a regression in the latest DMD2 beta (
 http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5976 ).


 AFAIK, the dmd beta group is just an email mailing list, not a newsgroup.


It's accessible via Gmane's NNTP service.

Posting used to work, too. Now it doesn't.

-- 
Best regards,
  Vladimir                            mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net
May 10 2011
prev sibling parent reply Brad Roberts <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:


 It seems it's not possible to post to the dmd.beta/dmd.devel/etc. lists via
 Gmane NNTP. How come? This used to work before, IIRC.
 I wanted to report a regression in the latest DMD2 beta (
 http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5976 ).
 
 -- 
 Best regards,
 Vladimir                            mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net


Sorry, but all the gmane d groups come through my mail gateway of the 
digitalmars news server.  I don't allow posts from non-subscribers.  If 
you want to post, you'll have to subscribe directly.

Later,
Brad
May 10 2011
parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 03:25:02 +0300, Brad Roberts  
<braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:


 Sorry, but all the gmane d groups come through my mail gateway of the
 digitalmars news server.  I don't allow posts from non-subscribers.


Why?

Attempting to post to a Gmane newsgroup for the first time requires e-mail  
validation. Gmane sends an e-mail to confirm your post.


 If you want to post, you'll have to subscribe directly.


I don't see the point, but how do I do that (assuming it'll allow me to  
reply via NNTP)?

-- 
Best regards,
  Vladimir                            mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net
May 10 2011
parent reply Brad Roberts <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:


 On Wed, 11 May 2011 03:25:02 +0300, Brad Roberts
 <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:
 

 Sorry, but all the gmane d groups come through my mail gateway of the
 digitalmars news server.  I don't allow posts from non-subscribers.


 
 Why?
 
 Attempting to post to a Gmane newsgroup for the first time requires e-mail
 validation. Gmane sends an e-mail to confirm your post.
 

 If you want to post, you'll have to subscribe directly.


 
 I don't see the point, but how do I do that (assuming it'll allow me to reply
 via NNTP)?
 
 -- 
 Best regards,
 Vladimir                            mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net


I run a _mail_ gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp 
isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam 
prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as 
it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as 
an open relay point.

You can visit http://lists.puremagic.com/ to see the various lists.

Later,
Brad
May 10 2011
next sibling parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:39:44 +0300, Brad Roberts  
<braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:


 I run a _mail_ gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.


Posting worked at one point. I hope you've disabled it out of practical  
considerations.


 You can visit http://lists.puremagic.com/ to see the various lists.


Bugger that... setting up an e-mail account/client configuration just to  
be able to report an occasional DMD beta bug is not worth it.

-- 
Best regards,
  Vladimir                            mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net
May 10 2011
next sibling parent reply Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:
On 2011-05-10 19:01, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:39:44 +0300, Brad Roberts
 
 <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:

 I run a _mail_ gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.


 
 Posting worked at one point. I hope you've disabled it out of practical
 considerations.
 

 You can visit http://lists.puremagic.com/ to see the various lists.


 
 Bugger that... setting up an e-mail account/client configuration just to
 be able to report an occasional DMD beta bug is not worth it.


Do whatever works best for you, but I've found that using the mailing list 
verisons of all of the various D lists works better than using a newsgroup 
reader, because then I can have all of the newsgroup posts synced via imap. 
When using a newsgroup client, it was much harder to know which posts I had 
read and replied to and whatnot when switching machines. I don't have those 
problems when using an e-mail address with an e-mail client. I am a bit 
surprised that dmd-beta functions differently from the other groups though. I 
would have thought that it would be the same.

- Jonathan M Davis
May 10 2011
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-05-11 04:12, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

 On 2011-05-10 19:01, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:39:44 +0300, Brad Roberts

 <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com>  wrote:

 I run a _mail_ gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.


 Posting worked at one point. I hope you've disabled it out of practical
 considerations.


 You can visit http://lists.puremagic.com/ to see the various lists.


 Bugger that... setting up an e-mail account/client configuration just to
 be able to report an occasional DMD beta bug is not worth it.


 Do whatever works best for you, but I've found that using the mailing list
 verisons of all of the various D lists works better than using a newsgroup
 reader, because then I can have all of the newsgroup posts synced via imap.
 When using a newsgroup client, it was much harder to know which posts I had
 read and replied to and whatnot when switching machines. I don't have those
 problems when using an e-mail address with an e-mail client. I am a bit
 surprised that dmd-beta functions differently from the other groups though. I
 would have thought that it would be the same.

 - Jonathan M Davis


I prefer to use the newsgroup versions and I've setup Thunderbird to 
store its newsgroups folders/settings in my dropbox folder via symlinks. 
Maybe not the best solution but it works.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
May 11 2011
parent Daniel Gibson <metalcaedes gmail.com> writes:
Am 11.05.2011 09:31, schrieb Jacob Carlborg:

 On 2011-05-11 04:12, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

 On 2011-05-10 19:01, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:39:44 +0300, Brad Roberts

 <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:

 I run a _mail_ gateway, not a news gateway. So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work. As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention. I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense. I'm also not eager to trust
 gmane as
 an open relay point.


 Posting worked at one point. I hope you've disabled it out of practical
 considerations.


 You can visit http://lists.puremagic.com/ to see the various lists.


 Bugger that... setting up an e-mail account/client configuration just to
 be able to report an occasional DMD beta bug is not worth it.


 Do whatever works best for you, but I've found that using the mailing
 list
 verisons of all of the various D lists works better than using a
 newsgroup
 reader, because then I can have all of the newsgroup posts synced via
 imap.
 When using a newsgroup client, it was much harder to know which posts
 I had
 read and replied to and whatnot when switching machines. I don't have
 those
 problems when using an e-mail address with an e-mail client. I am a bit
 surprised that dmd-beta functions differently from the other groups
 though. I
 would have thought that it would be the same.

 - Jonathan M Davis


 I prefer to use the newsgroup versions and I've setup Thunderbird to
 store its newsgroups folders/settings in my dropbox folder via symlinks.
 Maybe not the best solution but it works.


I prefer the NG versions because they're faster, i.e. it usually takes 
some minutes until a reply is sent by the ML while it's almost instantly 
available via NG.
Obviously this doesn't help if the NG is just a frontend to a ML ;)
May 11 2011
prev sibling parent reply Brad Roberts <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:


 On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:39:44 +0300, Brad Roberts
 <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:
 

 I run a _mail_ gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.


 
 Posting worked at one point. I hope you've disabled it out of practical
 considerations.


I've occasionally manually approved a few posts that have come through, 
but posting from non-subscribers has, as far as I recall, never worked.  
It would have been a misconfiguration.  The practical consideration is the 
one I described above, spam prevention.  It's necessary.  There are many 
attempted posts per day to each of the lists I carry.


 You can visit http://lists.puremagic.com/ to see the various lists.


 
 Bugger that... setting up an e-mail account/client configuration just to be
 able to report an occasional DMD beta bug is not worth it.


Bugs are best reported to bugzilla.  The lists are for discussion.

Sorry you feel that subscribing is too high a bar.

Later,
Brad
May 10 2011
next sibling parent "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 05:17:41 +0300, Brad Roberts  
<braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> wrote:


 It would have been a misconfiguration.


Hmm, thanks for the clarification. The message I posted that got through  
was on December 15, in the d.runtime group.


 the one I described above, spam prevention.  It's necessary.  There are  
 many
 attempted posts per day to each of the lists I carry.


That's understandable, but may I ask if there are any problematic posts  
coming from Gmane?


 Sorry you feel that subscribing is too high a bar.


Subscribing is not enough. I'd need to either switch to reading those  
lists in an e-mail client, or create an e-mail setup just for posting. The  
alternative is to break threads or mess with e-mail headers manually, so  
that my replies are threaded. I hope this explains a bit where the bar  
really is for me.

-- 
Best regards,
  Vladimir                            mailto:vladimir thecybershadow.net
May 10 2011
prev sibling parent Robert Clipsham <robert octarineparrot.com> writes:
On 11/05/2011 03:17, Brad Roberts wrote:

 Sorry you feel that subscribing is too high a bar.


I like having threaded messages actually be threaded so I know what's 
going on - which is why I like using a newsgroup, even for the mailing 
lists. What it does mean though is that I have to have my email inbox 
flooded with spam I don't want to read, just in the off chance I want to 
reply... And I can't reply in the place I'm reading it, I have to search 
through my email, find the post I want to reply to, then reply.

Would it not be possible to allow gmane to be bidirectional but still 
require registration? That way I can post via gmane and you don't have 
to worry about spam.

-- 
Robert
http://octarineparrot.com/
May 11 2011
prev sibling parent reply KennyTM~ <kennytm gmail.com> writes:
On May 11, 11 09:39, Brad Roberts wrote:

 I run a_mail_  gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.

 You can visithttp://lists.puremagic.com/  to see the various lists.

 Later,
 Brad


*This* very newsgroup doesn't require registration and yet almost 
doesn't have spam. I don't see why posting via gmane is disallowed if 
spam prevention is the only reason.
May 10 2011
parent reply Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:
On 2011-05-10 23:26, KennyTM~ wrote:

 On May 11, 11 09:39, Brad Roberts wrote:

 I run a_mail_  gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.
 
 You can visithttp://lists.puremagic.com/  to see the various lists.
 
 Later,
 Brad


 
 *This* very newsgroup doesn't require registration and yet almost
 doesn't have spam. I don't see why posting via gmane is disallowed if
 spam prevention is the only reason.


Really? I haven't a clue how you could do that. I thought that all of the 
lists required registration.

- Jonathan M Davis
May 11 2011
parent KennyTM~ <kennytm gmail.com> writes:
On May 11, 11 15:14, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

 On 2011-05-10 23:26, KennyTM~ wrote:

 On May 11, 11 09:39, Brad Roberts wrote:

 I run a_mail_  gateway, not a news gateway.  So, no, posting via nntp
 isn't going to work.  As to why I require registration, it's spam
 prevention.  I'm not willing to open up posts to non-registered users as
 it's a very strong line of defense.  I'm also not eager to trust gmane as
 an open relay point.

 You can visithttp://lists.puremagic.com/  to see the various lists.

 Later,
 Brad


 *This* very newsgroup doesn't require registration and yet almost
 doesn't have spam. I don't see why posting via gmane is disallowed if
 spam prevention is the only reason.


 Really? I haven't a clue how you could do that. I thought that all of the
 lists required registration.

 - Jonathan M Davis


I mean the digitalmars.D newsgroup in the news.digitalmars.com NNTP 
server, not the mailing lists.
May 11 2011