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reply Robert.Atkinson NOSPAM.gmail.com.NOSPAM writes:
Not sure if anyone knows about this, but Sun's scripting language for DTrace is
also called D

http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/dtracehowto.jsp

"See the Solaris Dynamic Tracing Guide at
http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223 for more details on the D language and
DTrace."

Obviously this can cause some confusion, as I was telling my co-worker about D
and he said he hated Sun.  It was only my perplexed look of why he would hate
Sun and what that had to do with D that we investigated and discovered the dual
use of the "D language"

Of course... this may be old news and I'm just out of it :D

Rob
May 26 2006
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
Robert.Atkinson NOSPAM.gmail.com.NOSPAM wrote:
 Not sure if anyone knows about this, but Sun's scripting language for DTrace is
 also called D
 
 http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/dtracehowto.jsp
 
 "See the Solaris Dynamic Tracing Guide at
 http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223 for more details on the D language
and
 DTrace."
 
 Obviously this can cause some confusion, as I was telling my co-worker about D
 and he said he hated Sun.  It was only my perplexed look of why he would hate
 Sun and what that had to do with D that we investigated and discovered the dual
 use of the "D language"
 
 Of course... this may be old news and I'm just out of it :D

Sun's naming their product "D" occurred well after our D language was out.
May 26 2006
parent reply Thomas Kuehne <thomas-dloop kuehne.cn> writes:
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Walter Bright schrieb am 2006-05-26:
 Robert.Atkinson NOSPAM.gmail.com.NOSPAM wrote:
 Not sure if anyone knows about this, but Sun's scripting language for DTrace is
 also called D
 
 http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/dtracehowto.jsp
 
 "See the Solaris Dynamic Tracing Guide at
 http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223 for more details on the D language
and
 DTrace."
 
 Obviously this can cause some confusion, as I was telling my co-worker about D
 and he said he hated Sun.  It was only my perplexed look of why he would hate
 Sun and what that had to do with D that we investigated and discovered the dual
 use of the "D language"
 
 Of course... this may be old news and I'm just out of it :D

Sun's naming their product "D" occurred well after our D language was out.

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May 26 2006
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
Thomas Kuehne wrote:
 Walter Bright schrieb am 2006-05-26:
 Robert.Atkinson NOSPAM.gmail.com.NOSPAM wrote:
 Not sure if anyone knows about this, but Sun's scripting language for DTrace is
 also called D

 http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/dtracehowto.jsp

 "See the Solaris Dynamic Tracing Guide at
 http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223 for more details on the D language
and
 DTrace."

 Obviously this can cause some confusion, as I was telling my co-worker about D
 and he said he hated Sun.  It was only my perplexed look of why he would hate
 Sun and what that had to do with D that we investigated and discovered the dual
 use of the "D language"

 Of course... this may be old news and I'm just out of it :D


Sun's point of view: http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=75217

I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.
May 26 2006
next sibling parent reply "Bob W" <nospam aol.com> writes:
 Sun's point of view:
 http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=75217

I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.

It's probably irrelevant how they have named their scripting language because I can hardly imagine their product drawing big crowds. Your D language, however, has made it in the meanwhile into the top 20 at the TIOBE TPCI, leaving Fortran behind and probably catching Ada next month or so. Well done!
May 26 2006
parent Jeffersonian <Jeffersonian Monticello.com> writes:
Bob:
  D is a successfull derivative of the Eiffel language (developed by
Bertrand Meyers).

Lets here applaud here both the authors of Eiffel and the one of D who could
tap and put all in one fairly well designed language the best of Eiffel,
and C (I would say the low/bit level features).

... and get rid of the worst of C (possibly the C macros and
macroprocessor?).

When very early in the game, I read the D specifications, I thought it could
be a winner.

Now that it is close to this, it could possibly also be a winner in the
embedded system area, but of course it will imply a port to the most
popular processors (ARM, MIPS, OWERPC... and more).
Hopefully the documentation will make this an easy for who whish to endeavor
in this area. (I may be interested).

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Bob W wrote:

 Sun's point of view:
 http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=75217

I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.

It's probably irrelevant how they have named their scripting language because I can hardly imagine their product drawing big crowds. Your D language, however, has made it in the meanwhile into the top 20 at the TIOBE TPCI, leaving Fortran behind and probably catching Ada next month or so. Well done!

Jun 03 2006
prev sibling parent reply Markus Dangl <danglm in.tum.de> writes:
Walter Bright schrieb:
 I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until 
 late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well 
 established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be 
 trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.

I think we don't have to worry about it, because - as you said - the letter "D" cannot be trademarked. Lets see what "D" is the better "D", and i firmly believe in yours.
May 26 2006
parent reply John Demme <me teqdruid.com> writes:
Markus Dangl wrote:

 Walter Bright schrieb:
 I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until
 late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well
 established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be
 trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.

I think we don't have to worry about it, because - as you said - the letter "D" cannot be trademarked. Lets see what "D" is the better "D", and i firmly believe in yours.

I don't see how "better" applies... SUN's D is a scripting language for DTrace, yes? If so, then they are not competing (except for the name.) ... I wonder how SUN deals with the google-search issue. ~John
May 26 2006
next sibling parent Hasan Aljudy <hasan.aljudy gmail.com> writes:
John Demme wrote:
 Markus Dangl wrote:
 
 
Walter Bright schrieb:

I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until
late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well
established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be
trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.

I think we don't have to worry about it, because - as you said - the letter "D" cannot be trademarked. Lets see what "D" is the better "D", and i firmly believe in yours.

I don't see how "better" applies... SUN's D is a scripting language for DTrace, yes? If so, then they are not competing (except for the name.) ... I wonder how SUN deals with the google-search issue. ~John

I think in that context one would search for DTrace, not just D. http://www.google.com/search?q=dtrace
May 26 2006
prev sibling parent Markus Dangl <danglm in.tum.de> writes:
John Demme schrieb:
 Markus Dangl wrote:
 
 Walter Bright schrieb:
 I've heard that before. Sun made no public announcement of their D until
 late 2003 that I've ever been able to locate, and by then our D was well
 established. While they're right that the letter "D" cannot be
 trademarked, they shouldn't have done it.

letter "D" cannot be trademarked. Lets see what "D" is the better "D", and i firmly believe in yours.

I don't see how "better" applies... SUN's D is a scripting language for DTrace, yes? If so, then they are not competing (except for the name.)

Sorry i should've explained - i meant "better" like "having a bigger community" or "being the first thing people think of when they hear the name D". I wouldn't compare the languages, too.
May 28 2006