## digitalmars.D - std.math - contribution

- Tiago Gasiba (42/42) Nov 18 2005 Hi all,
- Tomás Rossi (6/12) Nov 18 2005 Wouldn't that clash (or create ambiguities) with * token? (pointer, dere...
- Tiago Gasiba (8/17) Nov 18 2005 Agree. That would would create parsing problems. How about something lik...
- Oskar Linde (43/70) Nov 18 2005 Yes. This looks nicer than conj(x).
- Tiago Gasiba (8/26) Nov 18 2005 Oh! Amazing!
- Don Clugston (15/21) Nov 18 2005 Yes, we definitely need to get into the standard before 1.0.
- Tiago Gasiba (9/16) Nov 18 2005 Don, thanks alot for your message.
- J C Calvarese (5/16) Nov 18 2005 If you're afraid of cluttering up the this newsgroup discussing MathExtr...
- Sean Kelly (3/15) Nov 18 2005 Would it be alright if these functions were added to Ares as well?
- Tiago Gasiba (9/11) Nov 18 2005 Yes! Definitively. And I would encourage you to do so.
- Tony (10/20) Nov 19 2005 Ok this really worries me.
- J C Calvarese (7/29) Nov 19 2005 I can't find the post, but I think Walter requested that contributions e...
- =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= (6/14) Nov 19 2005 It used to be a real hodge-podge, but it's getting better...
- Sean Kelly (9/18) Nov 19 2005 Anything accepted into Ares will be covered under a single license,
- Don Clugston (61/80) Nov 21 2005 Sean, everything in mathextra is public domain, and the project
- Sean Kelly (3/10) Nov 21 2005 Thanks! I will.

Hi all, In my work I use a lot of complex number computations. It's great that D has a native support for them but, the std.math is still missing a lot of functions for complex math. Attached you can find a small file with some routines that I hope to be integrated in future std.math versions. These routines might need a bit workout, but they are working fine right now . At least in my code - have not stress tested the routines. Additionally I have the following suggestions to improve the D language: - Allow a native .conj. For example have the following code cdouble x = 1+2i; cdouble y = x.conj; - Allow the power of numbers to be written like ** or something similar, e.g. y = y**2; or even y**=2; (means, square y and store in y) - Allow summations like: cdouble[] x; cdouble s; x.length = 20; ... s = x.sum; (equivalent to for(s=0, i=0; i<x.length; i++ ) s+=x[ii] ) - Allow max/min finding double[] x; double max, min; ... s = x.max; (equivalent to for(max=0, i=0; i<x.length; i++ ) if( max<x[ii] ) max=x[ii]; ) s = x.min; (similar to above) - Allow initializations like (syntax similar to Matlab) double[] x; x[] = 1 : 1e-2 : 10; (equivalent to the following:) x.length = 901; for( idx=0, double t=1.0; t<=10.0; t+=1e-2 ) x[ idx++ ] = t; Since the .sort got incorporated into the language why can't also .sum, .min, .max, etc? The above proposals essentially make scientific programming in D much easier. Finally, the function toString() produces correct, but ugly results. For example: printf("%.*s\n",toString(1-2i)); produces the following output: 1+-2i Wouldn't it be much better to have 1-2i ? As for routines with complex numbers, the more I need during my work, the more contributions I'll be posting! Best, Tiago -- Tiago Gasiba (M.Sc.) - http://www.gasiba.de Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.

Nov 18 2005

In article <dlkl8v$15up$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Tiago Gasiba says...- Allow the power of numbers to be written like ** or something similar, e.g. y = y**2; or even y**=2; (means, square y and store in y)Wouldn't that clash (or create ambiguities) with * token? (pointer, dereference unary operator). Though I always dreamed with that pow operator I have to say (or maybe another symbol if that isn't possible).Finally, the function toString() produces correct, but ugly results. For example: printf("%.*s\n",toString(1-2i)); produces the following output: 1+-2i Wouldn't it be much better to have 1-2i ?Yes, agree. Tom

Nov 18 2005

Tomás Rossi schrieb:In article <dlkl8v$15up$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Tiago Gasiba says...Agree. That would would create parsing problems. How about something like: y ^^ = 2; Syntax looks a bit clumsy but no better idea is occouring me right now. Tiago -- Tiago Gasiba (M.Sc.) - http://www.gasiba.de Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.- Allow the power of numbers to be written like ** or something similar, e.g. y = y**2; or even y**=2; (means, square y and store in y)Wouldn't that clash (or create ambiguities) with * token? (pointer, dereference unary operator). Though I always dreamed with that pow operator I have to say (or maybe another symbol if that isn't possible).

Nov 18 2005

In article <dlkl8v$15up$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Tiago Gasiba says...Additionally I have the following suggestions to improve the D language: - Allow a native .conj. For example have the following code cdouble x = 1+2i; cdouble y = x.conj;Yes. This looks nicer than conj(x). I may be in a minority, but I kind of like the current ability to inject methods in array-types: # int myfunc(int[] arr) { return 1; } if x is int[], x.myfunc() is equivalent to myfunc(x). If this could somehow be made possible for non-array types too, a library could define x.conj() (or maybe even x.conj)- Allow the power of numbers to be written like ** or something similar, e.g. y = y**2; or even y**=2; (means, square y and store in y) - Allow summations like: cdouble[] x; cdouble s; x.length = 20; ... s = x.sum; (equivalent to for(s=0, i=0; i<x.length; i++ ) s+=x[ii] )You can implement almost this syntax yourself: #import std.stdio; # #double sum(double[] x) { # double r = 0; # foreach(double d; x) # r += d; # return r; #} # #int main() { # static double t[] = [1.2,2.4,4.8]; # writef("sum of %s is %s\n",t,t.sum()); # return 0; #} (I'm not sure why t.sum() works, but not t.sum)- Allow max/min finding double[] x; double max, min; ... s = x.max; (equivalent to for(max=0, i=0; i<x.length; i++ ) if( max<x[ii] ) max=x[ii]; ) s = x.min; (similar to above)Same as above.- Allow initializations like (syntax similar to Matlab) double[] x; x[] = 1 : 1e-2 : 10; (equivalent to the following:) x.length = 901; for( idx=0, double t=1.0; t<=10.0; t+=1e-2 ) x[ idx++ ] = t;It is currently possible to implement with this syntax: x = ArrayRange!(double)(1,1e-2,10);Since the .sort got incorporated into the language why can't also .sum, .min, .max, etc? The above proposals essentially make scientific programming in D much easier.Those are easy to implement in a library for all basic types: #template _sum(T:T[]) { # T _sum(T[] x) { # T r = 0; # foreach(T v; x) # r += v; # return r; # } #} # #// Implicit template instantiation for a predefined subset of parameters :) #alias _sum!(cdouble[]) sum; #alias _sum!(double[]) sum; #alias _sum!(int[]) sum; #// etc... /Oskar

Nov 18 2005

Oskar Linde schrieb:You can implement almost this syntax yourself: #import std.stdio; # #double sum(double[] x) { # double r = 0; # foreach(double d; x) # r += d; # return r; #} # #int main() { # static double t[] = [1.2,2.4,4.8]; # writef("sum of %s is %s\n",t,t.sum()); # return 0; #}Oh! Amazing! The more I learn D, the more I can not imagine myself without it :) Thanks! Tiago -- Tiago Gasiba (M.Sc.) - http://www.gasiba.de Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.

Nov 18 2005

Tiago Gasiba wrote:Hi all, In my work I use a lot of complex number computations. It's great that D has a native support for them but, the std.math is still missing a lot of functions for complex math. Attached you can find a small file with some routines that I hope to be integrated in future std.math versions. These routines might need a bit workout, but they are working fine right now . At least in my code - have not stress tested the routines.Yes, we definitely need to get into the standard before 1.0. I've also got some complex number stuff in http://www.dsource.org/projects/mathextra/ go to the SVN repository, and look at complex.html, code in complex.d. Some of the functions are not yet implemented (although all the statistics stuff is). Needs some more unit tests too. Might be good to combine our code (and confirm they both give the same results!), and get it up to submission standard. I could definitely use nChoosek in some of my statistics unit tests. One issue you'll find is that there is currently a problem with D implicit conversions of literals. sin(1.0) could be sin(real) or sin(creal). I've requested implicit conversion real -> creal be removed, but it hasn't happened yet. Hopefully my code will give you a boost.

Nov 18 2005

Don Clugston schrieb:Yes, we definitely need to get into the standard before 1.0. I've also got some complex number stuff in http://www.dsource.org/projects/mathextra/ go to the SVN repository, and look at complex.html, code in complex.d.Don, thanks alot for your message. I have tried to contact you through your email, but was not successfull. If you do not wish to publish your address online, could you please send me an email so that I can contact you back? Thanks! (Sorry for posting this in the DigitalMars Newsgroup). Tiago -- Tiago Gasiba (M.Sc.) - http://www.gasiba.de Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.

Nov 18 2005

In article <dlktst$1eqq$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Tiago Gasiba says...Don Clugston schrieb:If you're afraid of cluttering up the this newsgroup discussing MathExtra, you might post to the MathExtra forum at dsource: http://www.dsource.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=75 jcc7Yes, we definitely need to get into the standard before 1.0. I've also got some complex number stuff in http://www.dsource.org/projects/mathextra/ go to the SVN repository, and look at complex.html, code in complex.d.Don, thanks alot for your message. I have tried to contact you through your email, but was not successfull. If you do not wish to publish your address online, could you please send me an >email so that I can contact you back? Thanks!

Nov 18 2005

Don Clugston wrote:Tiago Gasiba wrote:Would it be alright if these functions were added to Ares as well? SeanHi all, In my work I use a lot of complex number computations. It's great that D has a native support for them but, the std.math is still missing a lot of functions for complex math. Attached you can find a small file with some routines that I hope to be integrated in future std.math versions. These routines might need a bit workout, but they are working fine right now . At least in my code - have not stress tested the routines.Yes, we definitely need to get into the standard before 1.0.

Nov 18 2005

Sean Kelly schrieb:Would it be alright if these functions were added to Ares as well?Yes! Definitively. And I would encourage you to do so. The routines that I have posted previously are GPL. As for MathExtra Don can tell you about that, licensing, etc! As I said before, I'll post a few more routines after some time. Those you can also add to Ares as well. :) Best, Tiago -- Tiago Gasiba (M.Sc.) - http://www.gasiba.de Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.

Nov 18 2005

"Tiago Gasiba" <tiago.gasiba gmail.com> wrote in message news:dllbpq$1rda$1 digitaldaemon.com...Sean Kelly schrieb:Ok this really worries me. I assumed that all code which is accepted into the standard library would be covered under a single license. In particular, one which allows for commercial, closed-source development. Is this the case, or do we have a hodge podge of different licensing schemes? Tony Melbourne, AustraliaWould it be alright if these functions were added to Ares as well?Yes! Definitively. And I would encourage you to do so. The routines that I have posted previously are GPL. As for MathExtra Don can tell you about that, licensing, etc! As I said before, I'll post a few more routines after some time. Those you can also add to Ares as well. :) Best, Tiago

Nov 19 2005

In article <dlmu0v$3ci$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Tony says..."Tiago Gasiba" <tiago.gasiba gmail.com> wrote in message news:dllbpq$1rda$1 digitaldaemon.com...I can't find the post, but I think Walter requested that contributions either be "contributed to Digital Mars" or "public domain". But I could be remembering it wrong. Since the DMD front-end source is licensed as dual GPL and Artistic something has to be done to keep it consistent. I think Phobos has similar license conditions. jcc7Sean Kelly schrieb:Ok this really worries me. I assumed that all code which is accepted into the standard library would be covered under a single license. In particular, one which allows for commercial, closed-source development. Is this the case, or do we have a hodge podge of different licensing schemes? Tony Melbourne, AustraliaWould it be alright if these functions were added to Ares as well?Yes! Definitively. And I would encourage you to do so. The routines that I have posted previously are GPL. As for MathExtra Don can tell you about that, licensing, etc! As I said before, I'll post a few more routines after some time. Those you can also add to Ares as well. :) Best, Tiago

Nov 19 2005

Tony wrote:Ok this really worries me. I assumed that all code which is accepted into the standard library would be covered under a single license. In particular, one which allows for commercial, closed-source development. Is this the case, or do we have a hodge podge of different licensing schemes?It used to be a real hodge-podge, but it's getting better... Most of it is now under the BSDish "zlib/libpng" license: http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?PhobosLicenseIssues (if there are changes lately, feel free to update that page) --anders

Nov 19 2005

Tony wrote:Ok this really worries me. I assumed that all code which is accepted into the standard library would be covered under a single license. In particular, one which allows for commercial, closed-source development. Is this the case, or do we have a hodge podge of different licensing schemes?Anything accepted into Ares will be covered under a single license, which has yet to be determined. I'd expect it to be some variant of the BSD license however. I know Walter has accepted things into Phobos in the past that had their own license requirements (the old std.math), but I don't expect that to continue unless there's something highly specialized that needs to be in which simply has no free implementation available. Sean

Nov 19 2005

Sean Kelly wrote:Don Clugston wrote:Sean, everything in mathextra is public domain, and the project description specifically mentions Ares. (In fact, part of the reason I've made it as a seperate project is to ensure there's a public domain version of it, to make it easy to plug into Ares). Have a look, several of these functions are already there, with a reasonable level of documentation. ----- I would like to see D move a little away from the C/C++ library structure -- "math.h" is a monster, it's ridiculous that the whole of mathematics gets ONE header file! It's particularly bad in D, where implementation and header are stored in one. If I could do it from scratch, I'd make std.math a directory, and do it this way: I see three broad categories: (1) Special interest stuff that is not frequently used; certainly it would be rare for more than one of these to be used in a single source file. Most programmers won't use most of this. std.math.statistics -- functions from mathemematical statistics (almost all of these are already implemented in MathExtra) std.math.discrete -- things like factorials, primes, the nChoosek function just submitted, etc. std.math.special -- Mathematical Special Functions. Bessel functions, Airy functions, hyperfluent geometrics, etc. A couple of these are in MathExtra. ?std.math.random -- random number generators with specific distributions, eg Poissonian. More suitable for Monte-Carlo type simulations than crypotographic ones. Uses the basic random number from somewhere else, eg std.random, (which is used for games, and is also extended by cryptographic stuff). (2) Low level stuff, that is virtually built-in, but is computer hardware-oriented rather than genuinely mathematical. std.math.ieee -- low-level stuff which manipulates bit patterns in IEEE reals. Includes things like isnan(), but also the stuff from "fenv.h" in C, including setting rounding modes. (3) General purpose stuff from the C standard library, except for the things already covered above. Less sure about these. General idea being that anyone who uses these functions doesn't pull in any functions that they didn't learn about in high school. std.math.core (?) -- elementary functions (circular and hyperbolic trig, exp, log, pow, sqrt) and basic operations on built-in types (absolute value, complex conjugates, etc). std.math.matrix -- linear algebra std.math.all (? except that it is NOT everything!) std.math.cmath (?? meaning the stuff that comes in C libraries. ?but it looks like "complex math" Aaargh) -- Wrapper file that publicly imports std.math.core, std.math.ieee. Ideally, this last one would just be called std.math, but it does not seem possible to have a module name with the same as a directory name. Some kind of arrangement like this seems to late for Phobos, but not for Ares. Another possibility, that might work with Phobos, would be to have a subdirectory "advmath", for advanced mathematics. Then we'd have std.advmath.statistics, std.advmath.special, etc. but unfortunately also std.advmath.matrix --- Sorry everyone, I've realised that probably belongs in the Ares forum, (although it is also relevant for Phobos). I just think that this is something that C got badly wrong, and is worth further thought. -Don.Tiago Gasiba wrote:Would it be alright if these functions were added to Ares as well?Hi all, In my work I use a lot of complex number computations. It's great that D has a native support for them but, the std.math is still missing a lot of functions for complex math. Attached you can find a small file with some routines that I hope to be integrated in future std.math versions. These routines might need a bit workout, but they are working fine right now . At least in my code - have not stress tested the routines.Yes, we definitely need to get into the standard before 1.0.

Nov 21 2005

Don Clugston wrote:Sean, everything in mathextra is public domain, and the project description specifically mentions Ares. (In fact, part of the reason I've made it as a seperate project is to ensure there's a public domain version of it, to make it easy to plug into Ares). Have a look, several of these functions are already there, with a reasonable level of documentation.Thanks! I will. Sean

Nov 21 2005