Digital Mars - digitalmars.D - Syntax Highlighting for Kate (KDE)

↑ ↓ ← → Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <c8d150$mfs$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Simon J Mackenzie says...
Hi Guys,
Kate for KDE has now been realeased with inbuilt D syntax highlighting. 
  For more info see http://kate.kde.org/.

Cheers
Simon


Ok, I have to ask this:

Why would you use kate when leds is available?

leds is very stable now (read disclamer on license)

what is missing on leds that is present on kate?
as I remember kate doesn't have the code layout or intelissense available
that alone should be a reason to move to leds,
(even if some constructs confuse leds sometimes).

http://leds.sourceforge.net

just grab the linux binary, unzip it (,rename it) and go.

Ant

May 18 2004

↑ ↓ ← → Scott Michel <scottm cs.ucla.edu> writes:

Ant wrote:

 In article <c8d150$mfs$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Simon J Mackenzie says...
Hi Guys,
Kate for KDE has now been realeased with inbuilt D syntax highlighting.
  For more info see http://kate.kde.org/.

Cheers
Simon


 Ok, I have to ask this:
 
 Why would you use kate when leds is available?


Because kate is integral to KDE, leds isn't (if you use KDE as your *nix
desktop.)

May 18 2004

↑ ↓ ← → Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <c8dmtr$1t60$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Scott Michel says...
Ant wrote:

 In article <c8d150$mfs$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Simon J Mackenzie says...
Hi Guys,
Kate for KDE has now been realeased with inbuilt D syntax highlighting.
  For more info see http://kate.kde.org/.

Cheers
Simon


 Ok, I have to ask this:
 
 Why would you use kate when leds is available?


Because kate is integral to KDE, leds isn't (if you use KDE as your *nix
desktop.)


Do you find to troubleing to see buttons drawn a little bit differently?
(probably you can download a theme for GTK that emulates your KDE theme)
Is KDE so monopolistically blind that doesn't allow users to fire an
external application as if it was a KDE application?
(couldn't spell seamingsly)

Or don't you use a GTK application for some ideoligical reason?
(all distros I tryed had both KDE and Gnome - I don't use any, just GTK)

leds is a much (,much, much) better tool for coding on D then kate,
it's your lost if you impose yourself that artificial limitation.
if you have GTK on you system there is no reason
(that I find valid) not to use leds.
I don't see a reason not to install GTK (unless you don't own the system).

well, is my lost too as I need users with reports and suggestions...

Ant

May 18 2004

↑ ↓ ← → Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <opr77upky75a2sq9 digitalmars.com>, Regan Heath says...
Ant,

It seems to me if you provide keyboard mappings in leds for Kate and 
Eclipse? and any other editor you find people are using for D development 
you will get more converts.


There is support for key mapping in leds
(and it's easy to add others, I just don't use anything else)

http://leds.sourceforge.net/prefEditorKeys.html

these are (were?) similar to the eclipse default (I use eclipse 9 to 5)

Maybe I can have a set of preset definitions
(Once I improve the project's multiple targets UI I should be able use the 
same code for multiple key schemas)

Ant
PS I didn't remember the "Next Element" and "Previous Element"! :}
I wonder if those really work?...

May 18 2004

↑ ↓ ← → Regan Heath <regan netwin.co.nz> writes:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 22:36:16 +0000 (UTC), Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> 
wrote:
 In article <opr77upky75a2sq9 digitalmars.com>, Regan Heath says...
 Ant,

 It seems to me if you provide keyboard mappings in leds for Kate and
 Eclipse? and any other editor you find people are using for D 
 development
 you will get more converts.


 There is support for key mapping in leds
 (and it's easy to add others, I just don't use anything else)

 http://leds.sourceforge.net/prefEditorKeys.html
 these are (were?) similar to the eclipse default (I use eclipse 9 to 5)

 Maybe I can have a set of preset definitions


That is what I was trying to suggest :)

 (Once I improve the project's multiple targets UI I should be able use 
 the same code for multiple key schemas)

 Ant
 PS I didn't remember the "Next Element" and "Previous Element"! :}
 I wonder if those really work?...


I don't know.. to tell the truth I don't actually use leds, I use DIDE on 
windows.

-- 
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May 18 2004

↑ ↓ ← → Ant <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> writes:

On Wed, 19 May 2004 11:30:41 +1200, Regan Heath wrote:

 On Tue, 18 May 2004 22:36:16 +0000 (UTC), Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> 
 wrote:
 http://leds.sourceforge.net/prefEditorKeys.html

 Ant
 PS I didn't remember the "Next Element" and "Previous Element"! :}
 I wonder if those really work?...


 I don't know.. to tell the truth I don't actually use leds, I use DIDE on 
 windows.


They don't, there isn't even code to process those...

(there probably millions and millions of people pressing
that key and nothing is hapening... it's all my fault)

 I use DIDE on windows.


if you switch to leds we would double the number of users.

Ant

May 18 2004

↑ ↓ ← → J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> writes:

Ant wrote:

 On Wed, 19 May 2004 11:30:41 +1200, Regan Heath wrote:
 
 
On Tue, 18 May 2004 22:36:16 +0000 (UTC), Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> 
wrote:

http://leds.sourceforge.net/prefEditorKeys.html

Ant
PS I didn't remember the "Next Element" and "Previous Element"! :}
I wonder if those really work?...


I don't know.. to tell the truth I don't actually use leds, I use DIDE on 
windows.


 
 They don't, there isn't even code to process those...
 
 (there probably millions and millions of people pressing
 that key and nothing is hapening... it's all my fault)
 
 
I use DIDE on windows.


 
 if you switch to leds we would double the number of users.


I assume you're referring to the mythical leds running on Windows.

("If you release it, they will test it.")

 
 Ant


-- 
Justin (a/k/a jcc7)
http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/

May 18 2004

↑ ↓ ← → Ant <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> writes:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:34:20 -0500, J C Calvarese wrote:

 Ant wrote:
 
 
 I assume you're referring to the mythical leds running on Windows.
 
 ("If you release it, they will test it.")
 


:)

sorry.

But - I'm already using leds in windows(!) to develop
the leds windows version. 2 problems:
- can't make the GTK Spawn fire a system command (????)
- didn't even got gcc running to compile scintilla

(maybe I shouldn't say this, well Charles is a good guy)
I already prefer leds (windows) to DIDE
but that's expected, I wrote leds...

Ant

May 18 2004

↑ ↓ ← → -scooter- <scottm cs.ucla.edu> writes:

Ant wrote:
 Do you find to troubleing to see buttons drawn a little bit differently?
 (probably you can download a theme for GTK that emulates your KDE theme)
 Is KDE so monopolistically blind that doesn't allow users to fire an
 external application as if it was a KDE application?
 (couldn't spell seamingsly)


I try to steer clear of GTK because it's typical of the bazaar approach to 
building software. KDE and FreeBSD have a similar approach to building 
software that isn't "bazaar" or "bizarre". I know what I'm getting when I 
install KDE from FreeBSD ports, inasmuch as I run FreeBSD instead of Linux 
because I know what I'm getting when I build the world (no wacky glibc 
problems, for one.)

Besides, I use XEmacs for most of my heavy duty editing. Kate's useful for 
viewing source but I don't do project work with it.

 Or don't you use a GTK application for some ideoligical reason?
 (all distros I tryed had both KDE and Gnome - I don't use any, just GTK)


Ah, that's where you made a mistake. You assumed that I run Linux. And, yes, 
I don't use Gnome or GTK partly for ideological reasons enumerated above.

 leds is a much (,much, much) better tool for coding on D then kate,
 it's your lost if you impose yourself that artificial limitation.
 if you have GTK on you system there is no reason
 (that I find valid) not to use leds.
 I don't see a reason not to install GTK (unless you don't own the system).
 
 well, is my lost too as I need users with reports and suggestions...


I'm sure you will find a more receptive audience for your software, but you 
might want to be a little less shrill about advocating your software.

May 19 2004

↑ ↓ ← → Ant <duitoolkit yahoo.ca> writes:

On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:18:55 -0700, -scooter- wrote:

 I try to steer clear of GTK because it's typical of the bazaar approach to 
 building software.


I don't like KDE but I'm gonna take a look a KDevelop,
looks quite interesting.

 
 Besides, I use XEmacs for most of my heavy duty editing. Kate's useful for 
 viewing source but I don't do project work with it.


I tried it, kinda awfull. But I confess I didn't even figured out
how I could take control of how the buffers were used instead
of XEmacs deciding it for me.
I don't like apps that believe they are smarter then the user.

 
 Or don't you use a GTK application for some ideoligical reason? (all
 distros I tryed had both KDE and Gnome - I don't use any, just GTK)


 Ah, that's where you made a mistake. You assumed that I run Linux.


sorry.

 And, yes, 
 I don't use Gnome or GTK partly for ideological reasons enumerated above.


 you might want to be a little less shrill about advocating your software.


http://www.freesearch.co.uk/dictionary/shrill
shrill

adjective
1 having a loud and high sound that is unpleasant or painful to listen to:

- She had a shrill high-pitched voice.

2 DISAPPROVING

describes a way of arguing or criticizing that seems too forceful:

- He launched a shrill attack on the Prime Minister.

thanks for the advice. I'll try.
I know that even this will be seen as sarcastic
but it's not mean to be.

Ant

May 19 2004

↑ ↓ ← → Norbert Nemec <Norbert.Nemec gmx.de> writes:

I have never tried leds. Anyhow: I use many different programming languages
and other text file formats. Kate certainly is not perfect for any
individual one, but it is far more comfortable to stick with one editor
that does everything reasonably well than having to adjust to different
editors all the time.


Ant wrote:

 In article <c8d150$mfs$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Simon J Mackenzie says...
Hi Guys,
Kate for KDE has now been realeased with inbuilt D syntax highlighting.
  For more info see http://kate.kde.org/.

Cheers
Simon


 Ok, I have to ask this:
 
 Why would you use kate when leds is available?
 
 leds is very stable now (read disclamer on license)
 
 what is missing on leds that is present on kate?
 as I remember kate doesn't have the code layout or intelissense available
 that alone should be a reason to move to leds,
 (even if some constructs confuse leds sometimes).
 
 http://leds.sourceforge.net
 
 just grab the linux binary, unzip it (,rename it) and go.
 
 Ant

May 18 2004

↑ ↓ ← → Brad Anderson <brad dsource.dot.org> writes:

That is also my reason for sticking with D and Java development in 
Eclipse.  One tool for both languages.  It also does C/C++ and I hear 
PHP is closing in on a plug-in.  It's a really nice platform for IDE 
creation and use.

BA

Norbert Nemec wrote:
 I have never tried leds. Anyhow: I use many different programming languages
 and other text file formats. Kate certainly is not perfect for any
 individual one, but it is far more comfortable to stick with one editor
 that does everything reasonably well than having to adjust to different
 editors all the time.
 
 
 Ant wrote:
 
 
In article <c8d150$mfs$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Simon J Mackenzie says...

Hi Guys,
Kate for KDE has now been realeased with inbuilt D syntax highlighting.
 For more info see http://kate.kde.org/.

Cheers
Simon


Ok, I have to ask this:

Why would you use kate when leds is available?

leds is very stable now (read disclamer on license)

what is missing on leds that is present on kate?
as I remember kate doesn't have the code layout or intelissense available
that alone should be a reason to move to leds,
(even if some constructs confuse leds sometimes).

http://leds.sourceforge.net

just grab the linux binary, unzip it (,rename it) and go.

Ant

May 18 2004

↑ ↓ ← → Simon J Mackenzie <project.d smackoz.fastmail.fm> writes:

My two bits worth...

Big picture...

Kate (alah KDE) support for D means the the *.d,*.D extensions for D 
source code are accounted for under linux in a high profile way.  This 
in turn adds more weight for the general adoption of D under linux.  Not 
to mention adding support to any claim made by leds or any other Dev 
tool which attempts to support D under linux as a legitimate programming 
language.

Small picture...

Who cares if Kate is better or worse than leds.  I say, the more options 
out there for people the better.  When people see D as a highlighting 
option under Kate they may begin to ask questions...  and that can only 
be good for D... and leds!

My picture...

Kate it a developing product which has real potential...
Kate is integrated into KDevelop which means D is now one step closer to 
being supported by a ?main? stream development environment and this 
would certainly help to increase the exposure of D!

Parting comment...

As an Ex-programmer I see real potential for D and want to see it 
succeed and the Kate highlighting project is a way I feel I've been able 
to contribute towards the goal of Dee success of D.

Shoot me down in flames if you like, but a phonex never says "die".

Cheers
SMack

May 19 2004

↑ ↓ ← → Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <c8f14n$ue1$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Simon J Mackenzie says...


of course, you're right.

I still can't run KDevelop on my machine (I'll reinstall)
but I looked at the kdevelop page.
Can kdevelop understand D?
Can the C++ (or other) mode be tricked to edit D projects?
How easy is to have full support for D on kdevelop?
How would one use kdevelop for D development?

Ant

May 19 2004

↑ ↓ ← → Simon J Mackenzie <project.d smackoz.fastmail.fm> writes:

Ant wrote:
 In article <c8f14n$ue1$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Simon J Mackenzie says...
 
 
 of course, you're right.
 


Yeah thanks Ant.

 I still can't run KDevelop on my machine (I'll reinstall)
 but I looked at the kdevelop page.


1) > Can kdevelop understand D?

2) > Can the C++ (or other) mode be tricked to edit D projects?

3) > How easy is to have full support for D on kdevelop?

4) > How would one use kdevelop for D development?

These are all good questions {:-)}
I'm wondering if some of the dev work from leds be used to add the 
required support to KDevelop...  or would that be too close to 
sacrilege??? (Hmmm, haven't felt any bolts of lightening yet, maybe 
that's a sign...{:-)}

See 
http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdevelop/html/LangSupportStatus.html

I'll try and answer some of these quesitons (see 1234 above) but if 
anyone has already done some of the ground work it would be goooood to 
hear from you!

Now it's time to sleep.
Cheers
SMack

May 19 2004