• Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> Dec 10 2004
• =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> Dec 10 2004
• Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> Dec 10 2004
• =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> Dec 10 2004
• David L. Davis <SpottedTiger yahoo.com> Dec 10 2004
• Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> Dec 16 2004
• Georg Wrede <Georg_member pathlink.com> Dec 11 2004
• Chris Sauls <Chris_member pathlink.com> Dec 11 2004
• Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> Dec 16 2004
• =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> Dec 16 2004
• Hiroshi Sakurai <Hiroshi_member pathlink.com> Dec 16 2004
• Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> Dec 16 2004
• Hiroshi Sakurai <Hiroshi_member pathlink.com> Dec 16 2004
• Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> Dec 16 2004
• =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> Dec 16 2004

Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> writes:

Announcing Sofud 0.2 (no there's never been version 0.1)

http://sofu.sourceforge.net/

Sofud is a parser library for the file format Sofu (don't confuse the 
names ;) ).

Sofu has been created (by me) to allow reading and storing data, mainly 
for game type applications, in a simple and painless way. I believe for 
games it's a viable, more simple alternative to XML.

To find out what Sofu is all about, you can find a tutorial at the above 
web page.

Please tell me what you think :)

-Sebastian

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:

Sebastian Beschke wrote:

 Sofu has been created (by me) to allow reading and storing data, mainly 
 for game type applications, in a simple and painless way. I believe for 
 games it's a viable, more simple alternative to XML.


Looks a whole lot like the old .plist format (now converted to XML) ?
It was used by NeXTSTEP to store various settings, "property list".

--anders

Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> writes:

Anders F Bj�rklund wrote:
 Looks a whole lot like the old .plist format (now converted to XML) ?
 It was used by NeXTSTEP to store various settings, "property list".


Dunno, I've never heard of it. Could you post an example? Maybe I could 
learn from it :)
 
 --anders


-Sebastian

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:

Sebastian Beschke wrote:

 Looks a whole lot like the old .plist format (now converted to XML) ?
 It was used by NeXTSTEP to store various settings, "property list".


 Dunno, I've never heard of it. Could you post an example? Maybe I could 
 learn from it :)


Googled up some example of the old-style .plist file format:
http://www.stone.com/The_Cocoa_Files/Legacy_File_Formats.html

--anders

David L. Davis <SpottedTiger yahoo.com> writes:

In article <cpcrnq$28bn$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Sebastian Beschke says...
Announcing Sofud 0.2 (no there's never been version 0.1)

http://sofu.sourceforge.net/

Sofud is a parser library for the file format Sofu (don't confuse the 
names ;) ).

Sofu has been created (by me) to allow reading and storing data, mainly 
for game type applications, in a simple and painless way. I believe for 
games it's a viable, more simple alternative to XML.

To find out what Sofu is all about, you can find a tutorial at the above 
web page.

Please tell me what you think :)

-Sebastian


Sebastian: I've downloaded Sofud-0.2.zip, but when I try to open it in WinZip
v9.0 I get a invalid zip format error. And even with IZArc it complains as
well...is this file a Linux only file? Shouldn't also work for MS Windows (XP)?

David L.

P.S. I downloaded it three times (hey it's only 12Kb), each time from a
different server location, but the same result each time. 

-------------------------------------------------------------------
"Dare to reach for the Stars...Dare to Dream, Build, and Achieve!"

Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> writes:

David L. Davis wrote:
 
 Sebastian: I've downloaded Sofud-0.2.zip, but when I try to open it in WinZip
 v9.0 I get a invalid zip format error. And even with IZArc it complains as
 well...is this file a Linux only file? Shouldn't also work for MS Windows (XP)?
 


Actually, it's been created under Windows XP ;)

It seems it wasn't uploaded correctly, but it should work now. I 
apologize ^^

Also sorry for the late reply - I went on vacation right after the 
release ;)

 David L.
 

Georg Wrede <Georg_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <cpcrnq$28bn$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Sebastian Beschke says...
Announcing Sofud 0.2 (no there's never been version 0.1)

http://sofu.sourceforge.net/


Very nice!

You might want to check out (for ideas, or comparison)
www.yaml.org

georg

Chris Sauls <Chris_member pathlink.com> writes:

Message = {
Reply = {
Quote = "<cpcrnq$28bn$1 digitaldaemon.com> Sebastian Beschke"
Text  = "Announcing Sofud 0.2 (no there's never been version 0.1)"
}

Content = (
"Be forewarned, this /will/ get some use.  :)"
)

Signature = (
"-- Chris Sauls"
"-- Invironz"
)
}

Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> writes:

Chris Sauls wrote:
 Message = {
 Reply = {
 Quote = "<cpcrnq$28bn$1 digitaldaemon.com> Sebastian Beschke"
 Text  = "Announcing Sofud 0.2 (no there's never been version 0.1)"
 }
 
 Content = (
 "Be forewarned, this /will/ get some use.  :)"
 )
 
 Signature = (
 "-- Chris Sauls"
 "-- Invironz"
 )
 }
 
 



If you find any bugs, please be sure to report them to me. It's not 
*that* excessively tested (which will change this weekend as I'm 
actually using it to make a game :) )

-Sebastian

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:

Sebastian Beschke wrote:

  If you find any bugs, please be sure to report them to me. It's not
 *that* excessively tested (which will change this weekend as I'm 
 actually using it to make a game :) )


Can't test it with GDC since it uses EndianStream from DMD 0.107,
and GDC is currently only up to features from DMD version 0.102 :(

You might want to list DMD 0.107 and Scons as Sofud requirements ?
But the zip file works this time :-) (with Windows/Linux binaries)

--anders

Hiroshi Sakurai <Hiroshi_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <cpsn54$304s$1 digitaldaemon.com>,
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= says...
Sebastian Beschke wrote:

  If you find any bugs, please be sure to report them to me. It's not
 *that* excessively tested (which will change this weekend as I'm 
 actually using it to make a game :) )


Can't test it with GDC since it uses EndianStream from DMD 0.107,
and GDC is currently only up to features from DMD version 0.102 :(

You might want to list DMD 0.107 and Scons as Sofud requirements ?
But the zip file works this time :-) (with Windows/Linux binaries)

--anders


Oh! It's great language!
When I view the Groovy code,
I think sameone C like list language idea.
I love C like language.
I hope D preprocessor is 

D source code -> DPP -> Sofud -> D macro program -> Sofud ->
DPP -> D source code.

Reference

EPP (The extensible Java pre-processor EPP)
http://staff.aist.go.jp/y-ichisugi/epp/index.html

Java source code -> EPP -> S expression(lisp) ->
Java macro program -> S expression -> EPP -> Java source code.

I think S expression is difficult or avoided to normal programer.
but Sofud is good and lovely.

and I hope, Sofud like language can defined D language.

SGML <-> HTML <-> DTD
XML <-> XHTML <-> XMLScheme, Relax NG
? <-> D <-> ?
Sofud <-> D-- <-> ?

Thanks,
Sakurai.

Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> writes:

Hi,

Hiroshi Sakurai wrote:
 In article <cpsn54$304s$1 digitaldaemon.com>,
 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= says...
 
 Oh! It's great language!
 When I view the Groovy code,
 I think sameone C like list language idea.
 I love C like language.
 I hope D preprocessor is 
 
 D source code -> DPP -> Sofud -> D macro program -> Sofud ->
 DPP -> D source code.



Hi,


I'm sorry, but I have no idea what exactly you're saying. ^^ I do 
understand a little Japanese, so if you reposted in Japanese, perhaps I 
could work my way through it with a dictionary.

However, I fear you misunderstand the use and purpose of Sofu. It 
doesn't have anything to do with a Preprocessor, it is merely a data 
format for configuration files, like INI or XML. Of course, if you 
really wanted to, you could use it to generate D code, and it'd be 
pretty interesting to see the results. But that's not what I intended 
during development :)

-Sebastian

Hiroshi Sakurai <Hiroshi_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <cpsupi$7l3$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Sebastian Beschke says...
Hi,

Hiroshi Sakurai wrote:
 In article <cpsn54$304s$1 digitaldaemon.com>,
 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= says...
 
 Oh! It's great language!
 When I view the Groovy code,
 I think sameone C like list language idea.
 I love C like language.
 I hope D preprocessor is 
 
 D source code -> DPP -> Sofud -> D macro program -> Sofud ->
 DPP -> D source code.



Hi,


I'm sorry, but I have no idea what exactly you're saying. ^^ I do 
understand a little Japanese, so if you reposted in Japanese, perhaps I 
could work my way through it with a dictionary.

However, I fear you misunderstand the use and purpose of Sofu. It 
doesn't have anything to do with a Preprocessor, it is merely a data 
format for configuration files, like INI or XML. Of course, if you 
really wanted to, you could use it to generate D code, and it'd be 
pretty interesting to see the results. But that's not what I intended 
during development :)

-Sebastian


I understand Sofu like INI or XML or YAML or S Expression.
Sofu is not Preprocessor.
Preprocessor idea is my Sofu used application idea.

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Sebastian Beschke <s.beschke gmx.de> writes:

Anders F Bj�rklund wrote:
 Sebastian Beschke wrote:
 
 Can't test it with GDC since it uses EndianStream from DMD 0.107,
 and GDC is currently only up to features from DMD version 0.102 :(
 


Sorry about that. I've only used dmd.

 You might want to list DMD 0.107 and Scons as Sofud requirements ?
 But the zip file works this time :-) (with Windows/Linux binaries)


Well, somewhere I stated that I used DMD 0.109 and said it probably 
wouldn't work with any other compiler ^^
But I don't really want to re-implement EndianStream for GDC users, I 
think the best thing would be to wait until the next GDC update. 
Alternatively, you might try c/ping the class from DMD phobos.

scons is only required for building the library, and that's stated in 
the readme. It probably should be on the web page too.

 
 --anders


Thanks for the feedback :)
-Sebastian

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:

Sebastian Beschke wrote:

 You might want to list DMD 0.107 and Scons as Sofud requirements ?


 Well, somewhere I stated that I used DMD 0.109 and said it probably 
 wouldn't work with any other compiler ^^


It didn't. :-)

 But I don't really want to re-implement EndianStream for GDC users, I 
 think the best thing would be to wait until the next GDC update. 


That's what I meant. (no feedback for you until then)

 scons is only required for building the library, and that's stated in 
 the readme. It probably should be on the web page too.


No problem, it was easy enough to install. ("rpm --rebuild")
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/scons/scons-0.96.1-1.src.rpm

--anders