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digitalmars.D - .dmg installer for OSX?

reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
There's something missing from the download page (to which I just added 
some nice logos):

http://www.d-programming-language.org/download.html

That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in 
taking up such a project?


Thanks,

Andrei
Dec 11 2011
next sibling parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Sunday, 11 December 2011 at 21:29:17 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:

 There's something missing from the download page (to which I 
 just added some nice logos):

 http://www.d-programming-language.org/download.html

 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community 
 interested in taking up such a project?


Michel Fortin's D for Xcode installer has the option to download 
and install DMD.

http://michelf.com/projects/d-for-xcode/
Dec 11 2011
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/11/11 3:43 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Sunday, 11 December 2011 at 21:29:17 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There's something missing from the download page (to which I just
 added some nice logos):

 http://www.d-programming-language.org/download.html

 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in
 taking up such a project?


 Michel Fortin's D for Xcode installer has the option to download and
 install DMD.

 http://michelf.com/projects/d-for-xcode/


Michel, would you want to adapt and contribute your installer for pure D 
installation?

Thanks,

Andrei
Dec 11 2011
parent reply Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> writes:
On 2011-12-11 23:14:48 +0000, Andrei Alexandrescu 
<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> said:


 On 12/11/11 3:43 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Sunday, 11 December 2011 at 21:29:17 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There's something missing from the download page (to which I just
 added some nice logos):
 
 http://www.d-programming-language.org/download.html
 
 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in
 taking up such a project?


 
 Michel Fortin's D for Xcode installer has the option to download and
 install DMD.
 
 http://michelf.com/projects/d-for-xcode/


 
 Michel, would you want to adapt and contribute your installer for pure 
 D installation?


I could, but first you need to tell me how you want it installed. My 
installer creates a directory at /Library/Compilers/dmd and-or 
/Library/Compilers/dmd2 and installs the package from the zip file 
there. It then creates symlinks in /usr/local so dmd and the other 
tools are on your paths. It also installs a script that let you switch 
the symlinks between the two versions of dmd for D1 and D2 in case you 
have both installed. Also, for dmd itself, instead of a symlink it 
installs two tiny executables that executes dmd in 
/Library/Compilers/dmd{,2} (like a symlink would do) but also changes 
the path of argument zero so that it matches the new path (so that dmd 
finds its corresponding dmd.conf file).

So, how do you want dmd to be installed on OS X?

-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.fortin michelf.com
http://michelf.com/
Dec 11 2011
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 12/11/2011 7:19 PM, Michel Fortin wrote:

 I could, but first you need to tell me how you want it installed. My installer
 creates a directory at /Library/Compilers/dmd and-or /Library/Compilers/dmd2
and
 installs the package from the zip file there. It then creates symlinks in
 /usr/local so dmd and the other tools are on your paths. It also installs a
 script that let you switch the symlinks between the two versions of dmd for D1
 and D2 in case you have both installed. Also, for dmd itself, instead of a
 symlink it installs two tiny executables that executes dmd in
 /Library/Compilers/dmd{,2} (like a symlink would do) but also changes the path
 of argument zero so that it matches the new path (so that dmd finds its
 corresponding dmd.conf file).

 So, how do you want dmd to be installed on OS X?



I don't know - except that it ought to conform to the "Mac Way" of doing things.
Dec 11 2011
parent reply Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> writes:
On 2011-12-12 03:36:47 +0000, Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> said:


 On 12/11/2011 7:19 PM, Michel Fortin wrote:

 I could, but first you need to tell me how you want it installed. My installer
 creates a directory at /Library/Compilers/dmd and-or 
 /Library/Compilers/dmd2 and
 installs the package from the zip file there. It then creates symlinks in
 /usr/local so dmd and the other tools are on your paths. It also installs a
 script that let you switch the symlinks between the two versions of dmd for D1
 and D2 in case you have both installed. Also, for dmd itself, instead of a
 symlink it installs two tiny executables that executes dmd in
 /Library/Compilers/dmd{,2} (like a symlink would do) but also changes the path
 of argument zero so that it matches the new path (so that dmd finds its
 corresponding dmd.conf file).
 
 So, how do you want dmd to be installed on OS X?


 
 I don't know - except that it ought to conform to the "Mac Way" of 
 doing things.


I think Apple would say that command line programs should be installed 
as it is normally done on UNIX systems. To me that means 
/usr/local/bin/dmd, /usr/local/lib/libphobos2.a and I'm not sure what 
should be the module path inside /usr/local, /usr/local/include?

By putting things there, they'll automatically be on the path.

But you can't have both dmd1 and dmd2 installed with that setup, which 
is why I'm using symlinks all over the place.

How is it installed on Linux?

-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.fortin michelf.com
http://michelf.com/
Dec 11 2011
next sibling parent Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> writes:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com>wrote:


 On 2011-12-12 03:36:47 +0000, Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com>
 said:

  On 12/11/2011 7:19 PM, Michel Fortin wrote:

 I could, but first you need to tell me how you want it installed. My
 installer
 creates a directory at /Library/Compilers/dmd and-or
 /Library/Compilers/dmd2 and
 installs the package from the zip file there. It then creates symlinks in
 /usr/local so dmd and the other tools are on your paths. It also
 installs a
 script that let you switch the symlinks between the two versions of dmd
 for D1
 and D2 in case you have both installed. Also, for dmd itself, instead of
 a
 symlink it installs two tiny executables that executes dmd in
 /Library/Compilers/dmd{,2} (like a symlink would do) but also changes
 the path
 of argument zero so that it matches the new path (so that dmd finds its
 corresponding dmd.conf file).

 So, how do you want dmd to be installed on OS X?


 I don't know - except that it ought to conform to the "Mac Way" of doing
 things.


 I think Apple would say that command line programs should be installed as
 it is normally done on UNIX systems. To me that means /usr/local/bin/dmd,
 /usr/local/lib/libphobos2.a and I'm not sure what should be the module path
 inside /usr/local, /usr/local/include?

 By putting things there, they'll automatically be on the path.

 But you can't have both dmd1 and dmd2 installed with that setup, which is
 why I'm using symlinks all over the place.

 How is it installed on Linux?


 --
 Michel Fortin
 michel.fortin michelf.com
 http://michelf.com/


Another option would be to consider making DVM [1] an official way to get
D.  Downloading, installing, and switching versions is a problem it was
created to solve.

[1] https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm/wiki/Home
Dec 11 2011
prev sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 12/11/2011 8:15 PM, Michel Fortin wrote:

 How is it installed on Linux?


Hello,

dmd deb packages from http://www.digitalmars.com/d/download.html installs files 
as follow:

- binaries at "/usr/bin"
- modules at "/usr/include/d/dmd"
- libraries on 32 bit system "/usr/bin", "/usr/bin64" and "/usr/lib32" symlink 
to "/usr/bin"
- libraries on 64 bit system "/usr/bin32", "/usr/bin" and "/usr/lib64" symlink 
to "/usr/bin"
- dmd configuration file as "/etc/dmd.conf"
- html and samples folders at "/usr/share/dmd"
- commands man pages at "/usr/share/man/man1"
- dmd.conf man page at "/usr/share/man/man5"

This try to follow the debian rules as you can see here:
http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html#USRBINMOSTUSERCOMMANDS

You can't have both dmd1 and dmd2 installed together. To have multiple dmd 
versions installed in a single system, there is a nice project that does:
https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm

Best regards,
-- Jordi Sayol
Dec 12 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Peter Alexander <peter.alexander.au gmail.com> writes:
On 11/12/11 9:29 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There's something missing from the download page (to which I just added
 some nice logos):

 http://www.d-programming-language.org/download.html

 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in
 taking up such a project?


 Thanks,

 Andrei


A .dmg isn't an installer. It's just an archive containing files. 
Usually it contains an application package that the window background 
instructs you to drag into the Applications folder... but that isn't 
applicable to DMD.

Perhaps a .pkg would be more appropriate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.dmg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.pkg
Dec 11 2011
next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 12/11/2011 2:10 PM, Peter Alexander wrote:

 Perhaps a .pkg would be more appropriate?



What we want is a one-click installer, whatever that might be on OSX.
Dec 11 2011
parent reply Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> writes:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Walter Bright
<newshound2 digitalmars.com>wrote:


 On 12/11/2011 2:10 PM, Peter Alexander wrote:


 Perhaps a .pkg would be more appropriate?



 What we want is a one-click installer, whatever that might be on OSX.


Apple's official guidelines are to use a .dmg if all the installer needs to
do is copy files.  Otherwise a .pkg is required to run install scripts.  I
don't believe you can write to any folder but /Applications with a .dmg
(which gets an exception for writing by non-root users).

If DMD does need to run scripts or install to somewhere other than
/Applications I highly recommend using Iceberg instead of PackageMaker
(which in my opinion is absolutely terrible).
Dec 11 2011
parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/11/11 4:20 PM, Brad Anderson wrote:

 On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Walter Bright
 <newshound2 digitalmars.com <mailto:newshound2 digitalmars.com>> wrote:

     On 12/11/2011 2:10 PM, Peter Alexander wrote:

         Perhaps a .pkg would be more appropriate?



     What we want is a one-click installer, whatever that might be on OSX.


 Apple's official guidelines are to use a .dmg if all the installer needs
 to do is copy files.  Otherwise a .pkg is required to run install
 scripts.  I don't believe you can write to any folder but /Applications
 with a .dmg (which gets an exception for writing by non-root users).

 If DMD does need to run scripts or install to somewhere other than
 /Applications I highly recommend using Iceberg instead of PackageMaker
 (which in my opinion is absolutely terrible).


We'd need to add dmd to $PATH, I wonder how that could be done with a .pkg.

Andrei
Dec 11 2011
prev sibling parent reply Ruslan Mullakhmetov <tiabaldu gmail.com> writes:
On 2011-12-11 22:10:37 +0000, Peter Alexander said:


 On 11/12/11 9:29 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There's something missing from the download page (to which I just added
 some nice logos):
 
 http://www.d-programming-language.org/download.html
 
 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in
 taking up such a project?
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Andrei


 
 A .dmg isn't an installer. It's just an archive containing files. 
 Usually it contains an application package that the window background 
 instructs you to drag into the Applications folder... but that isn't 
 applicable to DMD.
 
 Perhaps a .pkg would be more appropriate?
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.dmg
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.pkg


Probably, Mac App Store instalation would be the best?

I don't know, do Apple policies allow to install a command line 
utilities via Macc App Store, but at least apple itself install OS X 
Lion and XCode via MAS. So, there is technical posibility to install 
arbitary toolset, not only pure GUI.app located in /Application.

What do you say?
-- 
BR, Ruslan Mullakhmetov
Dec 15 2011
next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-12-15 12:33, Ruslan Mullakhmetov wrote:

 On 2011-12-11 22:10:37 +0000, Peter Alexander said:


 On 11/12/11 9:29 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There's something missing from the download page (to which I just added
 some nice logos):

 http://www.d-programming-language.org/download.html

 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in
 taking up such a project?


 Thanks,

 Andrei


 A .dmg isn't an installer. It's just an archive containing files.
 Usually it contains an application package that the window background
 instructs you to drag into the Applications folder... but that isn't
 applicable to DMD.

 Perhaps a .pkg would be more appropriate?

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.dmg
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.pkg


 Probably, Mac App Store instalation would be the best?

 I don't know, do Apple policies allow to install a command line
 utilities via Macc App Store, but at least apple itself install OS X
 Lion and XCode via MAS. So, there is technical posibility to install
 arbitary toolset, not only pure GUI.app located in /Application.

 What do you say?


I don't think command line tools are allowed.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Dec 15 2011
prev sibling parent reply Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> writes:
On 2011-12-15 11:33:15 +0000, Ruslan Mullakhmetov <tiabaldu gmail.com> said:


 Probably, Mac App Store instalation would be the best?
 
 I don't know, do Apple policies allow to install a command line 
 utilities via Macc App Store, but at least apple itself install OS X 
 Lion and XCode via MAS. So, there is technical posibility to install 
 arbitary toolset, not only pure GUI.app located in /Application.
 
 What do you say?


Not a chance. The App Store is for applications. And applications are 
required to be self-contained, they are not allowed to use an 
installer. Apple is bypassing its own rules for Xcode.

-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.fortin michelf.com
http://michelf.com/
Dec 15 2011
parent reply Sean Kelly <sean invisibleduck.org> writes:
On Dec 15, 2011, at 4:47 AM, Michel Fortin wrote:


 On 2011-12-15 11:33:15 +0000, Ruslan Mullakhmetov <tiabaldu gmail.com> =


said:

=20

 Probably, Mac App Store instalation would be the best?
 I don't know, do Apple policies allow to install a command line =




utilities via Macc App Store, but at least apple itself install OS X =
Lion and XCode via MAS. So, there is technical posibility to install =
arbitary toolset, not only pure GUI.app located in /Application.

 What do you say?


=20
 Not a chance. The App Store is for applications. And applications are =


required to be self-contained, they are not allowed to use an installer. =
Apple is bypassing its own rules for Xcode.

There is some grey area here though.  TextMate, for example, is an =
application but has a preference that will put a link in /usr/bin to =
launch it from the command-line.  So apps are allowed to configure the =
environment on request.  For DMD you'd probably really have to bundle it =
with an IDE to qualify it as an app store item though.=
Dec 15 2011
next sibling parent Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> writes:
On 2011-12-15 20:53:23 +0000, Sean Kelly <sean invisibleduck.org> said:


 There is some grey area here though.  TextMate, for example, is an
 application but has a preference that will put a link in /usr/bin to
 launch it from the command-line.  So apps are allowed to configure the
 environment on request.  For DMD you'd probably really have to bundle it
 with an IDE to qualify it as an app store item though.


But TextMate is not available on the Mac App Store. It probably 
wouldn't be allowed in the store if the version submitted to Apple had 
this feature.

To give you an idea of the mindset, Apple is currently trying to force 
Mac developers to sandbox their apps (similar to how apps are isolated 
on iOS) as a requirement to be available on the Mac App Store. 
Currently this requirement isn't enforced: it was scheduled to be 
enforced starting in november but this got pushed to march 2012… we'll 
see how well it goes. No doubt many apps will go out of the store when 
this becomes a requirement and they don't relax those rules.

-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.fortin michelf.com
http://michelf.com/
Dec 15 2011
prev sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-12-15 21:53, Sean Kelly wrote:

 On Dec 15, 2011, at 4:47 AM, Michel Fortin wrote:


 On 2011-12-15 11:33:15 +0000, Ruslan Mullakhmetov<tiabaldu gmail.com>  said:


 Probably, Mac App Store instalation would be the best?
 I don't know, do Apple policies allow to install a command line utilities via
Macc App Store, but at least apple itself install OS X Lion and XCode via MAS.
So, there is technical posibility to install arbitary toolset, not only pure
GUI.app located in /Application.
 What do you say?


 Not a chance. The App Store is for applications. And applications are required
to be self-contained, they are not allowed to use an installer. Apple is
bypassing its own rules for Xcode.


 There is some grey area here though.  TextMate, for example, is an application
but has a preference that will put a link in /usr/bin to launch it from the
command-line.  So apps are allowed to configure the environment on request. 
For DMD you'd probably really have to bundle it with an IDE to qualify it as an
app store item though.




An alpha of TextMate 2 has recently been release and TextMate 2 will not 
be in the App Store because it would need to give up features.

The BBEdit editor is available on the App Store but:

"...BBEdit does not support automatic installation and updating of the 
bbedit, bbfind, and bbdiff command-line tools..."

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Dec 15 2011
parent Sean Kelly <sean invisibleduck.org> writes:
Sounds like most of the apps I actually use wouldn't qualify for the app sto=
re.=20

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 15, 2011, at 11:26 PM, Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> wrote:


 On 2011-12-15 21:53, Sean Kelly wrote:

 On Dec 15, 2011, at 4:47 AM, Michel Fortin wrote:
=20

 On 2011-12-15 11:33:15 +0000, Ruslan Mullakhmetov<tiabaldu gmail.com>  s=






aid:

=20

 Probably, Mac App Store instalation would be the best?
 I don't know, do Apple policies allow to install a command line utiliti=








es via Macc App Store, but at least apple itself install OS X Lion and XCode=
 via MAS. So, there is technical posibility to install arbitary toolset, not=
 only pure GUI.app located in /Application.

 What do you say?


=20
 Not a chance. The App Store is for applications. And applications are re=






quired to be self-contained, they are not allowed to use an installer. Apple=
 is bypassing its own rules for Xcode.

=20
 There is some grey area here though.  TextMate, for example, is an applic=




ation but has a preference that will put a link in /usr/bin to launch it fro=
m the command-line.  So apps are allowed to configure the environment on req=
uest.  For DMD you'd probably really have to bundle it with an IDE to qualif=
y it as an app store item though.

=20
=20
=20
 An alpha of TextMate 2 has recently been release and TextMate 2 will not b=


e in the App Store because it would need to give up features.

=20
 The BBEdit editor is available on the App Store but:
=20
 "...BBEdit does not support automatic installation and updating of the bbe=


dit, bbfind, and bbdiff command-line tools..."

=20
 --=20
 /Jacob Carlborg
Dec 16 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Heywood Floyd <soul8o8 gmail.com> writes:
On 12/11/11 22:29 , Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in
 taking up such a project?



I must take this opportunity and proclaim that a MacPorts package would 
be even more fantastic, to the point of giggleingly exciting even!


Rant follows:

Many unix/web developers use MacPorts. Most other open source software, 
big and small, is there, like GCC, LLVM, Apache, Lighttpd, Nginx, PHP, 
Perl, Python, Ocaml, Mono, Haskell, Scala, Go, Groovy, Erlang, Eiffel, 

Monotone, SCons, SQLite, PostgreSQL, MySQL, MongoDB, MariaDB etc. etc. 
etc. You can find the full list of packages here: 
http://www.macports.org/ports.php (Over 13000!)

MacPorts is a CLI tool. Installation of packages is dead-simple:


 port install dmd


Packages are then downloaded and built locally. MacPorts is great 
because it allows users to conveniently stay up to date and rollback to 
older versions easily should something go wrong. Like:


 port sync
 port outdated


	dmd		2.056 < 2.057

 port upgrade dmd


...

 dmd -run solveWorldProblems


...
... equality.d (7892) : Error: const can not be int when T is 57 and 
delegate has no inout Type!(57) void * [] pure, did you mean "huh"?
...
... "oh noes! bug! argh!!"
...

 port deactivate dmd  2.057
 port activate dmd  2.056


I'm sure all can see how wonderful this would be, given DMD's lack of 
stable/testing branches. Oops, did I type that out loud? :)

By default MacPorts installs everything in the /opt/local-folder which 
in my view is awesome. It means the standard system stays pristine and I 
don't feel scared about installing new versions of OSX and stuff like 
that, and should something act weird I can always just zap the 
/opt-folder altogether and have my computer back to (near) 
out-of-the-box condition.

Given that DMD is first and foremost a command-line tool, at least 
certainly when you install it by itself, I must admit I find it almost 
odd no MacPorts package has been made yet. DMG-files and PKG-files are 
fine, but for software that works on the system-level they are just 
blunt. They lack proper dependency meta-data and above all what they do 
can't be undone.

I have no idea how to make a MacPorts package or what it takes to get 
one approved though. Sorry.

MacPorts is of course the Darwin port of the famous FreeBSD port thing, 
only 10-times better than FreeBSD's chaotic fiftyseven "official" 
non-cooperating package managers, imho.

http://macports.org

My 57 cents
/HF
Dec 12 2011
next sibling parent reply Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> writes:
On 2011-12-12 12:45:10 +0000, Heywood Floyd <soul8o8 gmail.com> said:


 On 12/11/11 22:29 , Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in
 taking up such a project?


 
 I must take this opportunity and proclaim that a MacPorts package would 
 be even more fantastic, to the point of giggleingly exciting even!


The only downside to MacPorts is that it is not installed by default. 
Having to install MacPorts before installing dmd adds an extra barrier 
to those who don't already have MacPorts installed. A MacPorts package 
would be great indeed, but I think there should be a way to *just* 
install DMD if that's what you want.

That said, I think the biggest barriers for D on OS X are the lack of 
Xcode support and the difficulty in accessing half of the system's APIs 
which are in Objective-C. I have made semi-complete solutions 
addressing both of these problems, but I don't have much 
time/inclination to work on them at this time as my current projects do 
not involve D much.

-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.fortin michelf.com
http://michelf.com/
Dec 12 2011
next sibling parent Heywood Floyd <soul8o8 gmail.com> writes:
On 12/12/11 14:11 , Michel Fortin wrote:

 The only downside to MacPorts is that it is not installed by default.
 Having to install MacPorts before installing dmd adds an extra barrier
 to those who don't already have MacPorts installed. A MacPorts package
 would be great indeed, but I think there should be a way to *just*
 install DMD if that's what you want.


You're right.

Btw, I installed D on mac using your D for Xcode plugin. It has worked 
great. Thanks!
Dec 12 2011
prev sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/12/11 7:11 AM, Michel Fortin wrote:

 On 2011-12-12 12:45:10 +0000, Heywood Floyd <soul8o8 gmail.com> said:


 On 12/11/11 22:29 , Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in
 taking up such a project?


 I must take this opportunity and proclaim that a MacPorts package
 would be even more fantastic, to the point of giggleingly exciting even!


 The only downside to MacPorts is that it is not installed by default.
 Having to install MacPorts before installing dmd adds an extra barrier
 to those who don't already have MacPorts installed. A MacPorts package
 would be great indeed, but I think there should be a way to *just*
 install DMD if that's what you want.


Totally agreed. In fact I myself don't have MacPorts installed. 
Furthermore, I've had some trouble installing it and gave up. Now 
whenever I see a MacPorts-installable program I'm curious about, I just 
move on.


Andrei
Dec 12 2011
parent Russel Winder <russel russel.org.uk> writes:
On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 08:57 -0600, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
[...]

 Totally agreed. In fact I myself don't have MacPorts installed.=20
 Furthermore, I've had some trouble installing it and gave up. Now=20
 whenever I see a MacPorts-installable program I'm curious about, I just=


=20

 move on.


Conversely, I install MacPorts and only use Apple stuff or MacPorts
stuff -- if I use the MacBook ever of course.  The only thing I install
from a dmg is MacPorts.  Oh and MacTeX.

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Dec 12 2011
prev sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-12-12 13:45, Heywood Floyd wrote:

 On 12/11/11 22:29 , Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in
 taking up such a project?



 I must take this opportunity and proclaim that a MacPorts package would
 be even more fantastic, to the point of giggleingly exciting even!


I would recommend DVM instead: https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm

It allows you to easily install and switch between multiple versions of DMD.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Dec 12 2011
prev sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-12-11 22:29, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There's something missing from the download page (to which I just added
 some nice logos):

 http://www.d-programming-language.org/download.html

 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in
 taking up such a project?


 Thanks,

 Andrei


I created an installer for Mac OS X over two years ago, when we were 
still using dsource.org. As far as I know it's never been used, I don't 
know why. This is the things I get really disappointed on. Walter 
specifically asked for an installer, I created one, it got uploaded to 
dsoruce, then nothing.

Anyway, it's available at github:

https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/installer/tree/master/osx

A much better way to install D, in my opinion, is DVM:

https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm

A platform independent installer which also you to easily install and 
switch between multiple versions of DMD.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Dec 12 2011
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/12/11 6:51 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2011-12-11 22:29, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There's something missing from the download page (to which I just added
 some nice logos):

 http://www.d-programming-language.org/download.html

 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in
 taking up such a project?


 Thanks,

 Andrei


 I created an installer for Mac OS X over two years ago, when we were
 still using dsource.org. As far as I know it's never been used, I don't
 know why. This is the things I get really disappointed on. Walter
 specifically asked for an installer, I created one, it got uploaded to
 dsoruce, then nothing.


Sorry. Hopefully things have changed significantly since.


 Anyway, it's available at github:

 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/installer/tree/master/osx


Would you consider authoring a pull request for 
D-Programming-Language/Installer?


 A much better way to install D, in my opinion, is DVM:

 https://bitbucket.org/doob/dvm

 A platform independent installer which also you to easily install and
 switch between multiple versions of DMD.


Platform-independent installers are great, just not for first users. 
Let's have a hassle-free installation path first.


Andrei
Dec 12 2011
next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-12-12 15:59, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 12/12/11 6:51 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2011-12-11 22:29, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 There's something missing from the download page (to which I just added
 some nice logos):

 http://www.d-programming-language.org/download.html

 That would be an OSX .dmg. Is a member of the community interested in
 taking up such a project?


 Thanks,

 Andrei


 I created an installer for Mac OS X over two years ago, when we were
 still using dsource.org. As far as I know it's never been used, I don't
 know why. This is the things I get really disappointed on. Walter
 specifically asked for an installer, I created one, it got uploaded to
 dsoruce, then nothing.


 Sorry. Hopefully things have changed significantly since.


 Anyway, it's available at github:

 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/installer/tree/master/osx


 Would you consider authoring a pull request for
 D-Programming-Language/Installer?


The installer is already THERE and it's still working (I just tried it 
on DMD 1.072).

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Dec 12 2011
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/12/11 9:44 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2011-12-12 15:59, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 Would you consider authoring a pull request for
 D-Programming-Language/Installer?


 The installer is already THERE and it's still working (I just tried it
 on DMD 1.072).


I understand. The thing is, if we use your installer we'll have our 
pipeline depend on an external project. If we get your code into 
D-Programming-Language/Installer then we own the code, can make 
adjustments to it, etc. Please advise.


Thanks,

Andrei
Dec 12 2011
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-12-12 17:11, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 12/12/11 9:44 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2011-12-12 15:59, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 Would you consider authoring a pull request for
 D-Programming-Language/Installer?


 The installer is already THERE and it's still working (I just tried it
 on DMD 1.072).


 I understand. The thing is, if we use your installer we'll have our
 pipeline depend on an external project. If we get your code into
 D-Programming-Language/Installer then we own the code, can make
 adjustments to it, etc. Please advise.


As I said, it is already THERE. Please read the link:

https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/installer/tree/master/osx

It says "D-Programming-Language/installer".

It was uploaded to dsource two years ago and was moved with the rest of 
the code to github.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Dec 12 2011
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/12/11 3:09 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2011-12-12 17:11, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 12/12/11 9:44 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2011-12-12 15:59, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 Would you consider authoring a pull request for
 D-Programming-Language/Installer?


 The installer is already THERE and it's still working (I just tried it
 on DMD 1.072).


 I understand. The thing is, if we use your installer we'll have our
 pipeline depend on an external project. If we get your code into
 D-Programming-Language/Installer then we own the code, can make
 adjustments to it, etc. Please advise.


 As I said, it is already THERE. Please read the link:

 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/installer/tree/master/osx

 It says "D-Programming-Language/installer".

 It was uploaded to dsource two years ago and was moved with the rest of
 the code to github.


Got it, thanks. I'll follow up on this.

Andrei
Dec 12 2011
parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2011-12-12 23:10, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 12/12/11 3:09 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2011-12-12 17:11, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 12/12/11 9:44 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2011-12-12 15:59, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 Would you consider authoring a pull request for
 D-Programming-Language/Installer?


 The installer is already THERE and it's still working (I just tried it
 on DMD 1.072).


 I understand. The thing is, if we use your installer we'll have our
 pipeline depend on an external project. If we get your code into
 D-Programming-Language/Installer then we own the code, can make
 adjustments to it, etc. Please advise.


 As I said, it is already THERE. Please read the link:

 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/installer/tree/master/osx

 It says "D-Programming-Language/installer".

 It was uploaded to dsource two years ago and was moved with the rest of
 the code to github.


 Got it, thanks. I'll follow up on this.

 Andrei


Finally :)

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Dec 13 2011
prev sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:59:49 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu  
<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 On 12/12/11 6:51 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:


 Anyway, it's available at github:

 https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/installer/tree/master/osx


 Would you consider authoring a pull request for  
 D-Programming-Language/Installer?


I also glossed over this too, Andrei, but reading this part of the thread  
again is almost comical :)

I think we need a line in here about TPS reports...

-Steve
Dec 12 2011