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c++.idde - RS32 crashes in WinME

reply "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> writes:
When I try starting RS32, it crashes with "Abnormal program termination",
and then a page fault in SFC30.DLL.  This happens under WinME (it worked
under Win2k after Walter fixed it, but I had to change my OS).  I have the
CD version, updated to 8.27.5n.

Is there any fix available?

Regards,
  Laurentiu
May 18 2002
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
This is the first I've heard it doesn't work under ME. No, no fix is
available. -Walter

"Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:ac588j$1cnt$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 When I try starting RS32, it crashes with "Abnormal program termination",
 and then a page fault in SFC30.DLL.  This happens under WinME (it worked
 under Win2k after Walter fixed it, but I had to change my OS).  I have the
 CD version, updated to 8.27.5n.

 Is there any fix available?

 Regards,
   Laurentiu

May 18 2002
next sibling parent "Laurentiu Pancescu" <user domain.invalid> writes:
I also tried to launch RS32.EXE directly, by double-clicking on it.  I see a
small window, but it's "not responding"... it cannot even repaint itself.

Did you update the EXE version information after the original fix, that made
it work under Win2k?  It says 1.0.0 on my machine, does this mean I have a
not updated version?  I also tried the version that Jan Knepper sent me a
few months ago (before being updated in the CD update package), but it
behaves the same: completely frozen!  And it displays "Resource Studio 1.1",
just like the other one.

Laurentiu

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:ac5t1a$1tom$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 This is the first I've heard it doesn't work under ME. No, no fix is
 available. -Walter

 "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
 news:ac588j$1cnt$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 When I try starting RS32, it crashes with "Abnormal program


 and then a page fault in SFC30.DLL.  This happens under WinME (it worked
 under Win2k after Walter fixed it, but I had to change my OS).  I have


 CD version, updated to 8.27.5n.


May 20 2002
prev sibling parent reply "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> writes:
It seems that Microsoft is doing something strange!  The Aladdin Ghostscript
for Win32 setup kit froze during copying one file, but it worked fine after
installing MSIE5.5 SP2.  I don't know if RS32 worked before that, but it
works now, after installing the latest security patch for the above
mentioned MSIE...  Should this have affected RS32 in any way, or MSIE is
just so extremely deep in the OS???

Oh well... the good thing is that it works now!!!  Thanks, Walter!  :)


Laurentiu

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:ac5t1a$1tom$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 This is the first I've heard it doesn't work under ME. No, no fix is
 available. -Walter

 "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
 news:ac588j$1cnt$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 When I try starting RS32, it crashes with "Abnormal program


 and then a page fault in SFC30.DLL.  This happens under WinME (it worked
 under Win2k after Walter fixed it, but I had to change my OS).  I have


 CD version, updated to 8.27.5n.

 Is there any fix available?

 Regards,
   Laurentiu


May 21 2002
next sibling parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> writes:
I have heard many programs having problem with earlier version of Win32 .DLL's.
I many of my own programs I wrap the patches into the InstallShield to make sure
they are being installed.

Jan



Laurentiu Pancescu wrote:

 It seems that Microsoft is doing something strange!  The Aladdin Ghostscript
 for Win32 setup kit froze during copying one file, but it worked fine after
 installing MSIE5.5 SP2.  I don't know if RS32 worked before that, but it
 works now, after installing the latest security patch for the above
 mentioned MSIE...  Should this have affected RS32 in any way, or MSIE is
 just so extremely deep in the OS???

 Oh well... the good thing is that it works now!!!  Thanks, Walter!  :)

 Laurentiu

May 21 2002
parent "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> writes:
If you can consider WinME as "early"... :)  I had problems with many
programs that worked strange, or not at all (and worked flawlessly under
Win95 and Win98, not to mention WinNT4 and Win2k).  However, after each
Windows Update, some of them started working.  Now I think all of them are
working properly (although it's hard for me to understand why this can have
anything to do with MSIE DLLs!!), it's just that I'm getting BSODs from time
to time (typically every 5-10 hrs).  Oh well...

Maybe DigitalMars can produce a full CD version that works under WINE? <g>

Regards,
  Laurentiu


"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.cc> wrote in message
news:3CEA3A35.801FA647 smartsoft.cc...
 I have heard many programs having problem with earlier version of Win32

 I many of my own programs I wrap the patches into the InstallShield to

 they are being installed.

 Jan



 Laurentiu Pancescu wrote:

 It seems that Microsoft is doing something strange!  The Aladdin


 for Win32 setup kit froze during copying one file, but it worked fine


 installing MSIE5.5 SP2.  I don't know if RS32 worked before that, but it
 works now, after installing the latest security patch for the above
 mentioned MSIE...  Should this have affected RS32 in any way, or MSIE is
 just so extremely deep in the OS???

 Oh well... the good thing is that it works now!!!  Thanks, Walter!  :)

 Laurentiu


May 21 2002
prev sibling parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:acctpq$29sf$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 It seems that Microsoft is doing something strange!  The Aladdin

 for Win32 setup kit froze during copying one file, but it worked fine

 installing MSIE5.5 SP2.  I don't know if RS32 worked before that, but it
 works now, after installing the latest security patch for the above
 mentioned MSIE...  Should this have affected RS32 in any way, or MSIE is
 just so extremely deep in the OS???

 Oh well... the good thing is that it works now!!!  Thanks, Walter!  :)

It's good to know there's a fix for it! Anyhow, why not just dump it and get XP? In my experience, it doesn't crash nearly as much.
May 21 2002
next sibling parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> writes:
 It's good to know there's a fix for it! Anyhow, why not just dump it and get
 XP? In my experience, it doesn't crash nearly as much.

Do you run XP as well?
May 21 2002
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.cc> wrote in message
news:3CEA6FB9.607B1D24 smartsoft.cc...
 It's good to know there's a fix for it! Anyhow, why not just dump it and


 XP? In my experience, it doesn't crash nearly as much.

Do you run XP as well?

Yes. I don't have WinME, though. It was time to upgrade everything. The new box is about 5x faster than the old, as measured by the compiler self-building speed. Everything goes faster, even the cd burner (4 minutes instead of 1.5 hours). The cd burner doesn't generate errors, either. XP boots up faster, which is a big help. The only problem is the Iomega USB zip drive. I have to sit there and keep inserting & removing the disk until it randomly syncs up. Never had that trouble with the SCSI zip drives. I had thought I'd waited long enough for the USB vendors to work the bugs out.
May 21 2002
next sibling parent reply "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> writes:
I saw some interesting stuff about Iomega, on Gibson's site
(http://grc.com) - maybe it's related to this?  If it worked before,
probably not...

Laurentiu

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:acfgno$5mt$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.cc> wrote in message
 news:3CEA6FB9.607B1D24 smartsoft.cc...
 It's good to know there's a fix for it! Anyhow, why not just dump it



 get
 XP? In my experience, it doesn't crash nearly as much.

Do you run XP as well?

Yes. I don't have WinME, though. It was time to upgrade everything. The new box is about 5x faster than the old, as measured by the compiler self-building speed. Everything goes faster, even the cd burner (4 minutes instead of 1.5 hours). The cd burner doesn't generate errors, either. XP boots up faster, which is a big help. The only problem is the Iomega USB zip drive. I have to sit there and keep inserting & removing the disk until it randomly syncs up. Never had that trouble with the SCSI zip drives. I had thought I'd waited long enough for the USB vendors to work the bugs out.

May 22 2002
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:acfm8j$auh$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I saw some interesting stuff about Iomega, on Gibson's site
 (http://grc.com) - maybe it's related to this?  If it worked before,
 probably not...

 Laurentiu

Naw, it never worked.
May 22 2002
parent reply "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> writes:
Okay, here's the exact URL from Gibson Research site:
http://grc.com/tip/clickdeath.htm just in case you wanna take look...

Laurentiu

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:acgeu1$11q0$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
 news:acfm8j$auh$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I saw some interesting stuff about Iomega, on Gibson's site
 (http://grc.com) - maybe it's related to this?  If it worked before,
 probably not...

 Laurentiu

Naw, it never worked.

May 22 2002
parent "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
Thanks for the reference. The trouble isn't the click of death. It seems to
be more of a driver/XP bug.

"Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:acgfvh$12q1$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Okay, here's the exact URL from Gibson Research site:
 http://grc.com/tip/clickdeath.htm just in case you wanna take look...

 Laurentiu

 "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:acgeu1$11q0$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
 news:acfm8j$auh$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I saw some interesting stuff about Iomega, on Gibson's site
 (http://grc.com) - maybe it's related to this?  If it worked before,
 probably not...

 Laurentiu

Naw, it never worked.


May 22 2002
prev sibling parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> writes:
Walter wrote:

 Yes. I don't have WinME, though.

Me neither!
 It was time to upgrade everything. The new box is about 5x faster than the
 old, as measured by the compiler self-building speed. Everything goes
 faster, even the cd burner (4 minutes instead of 1.5 hours). The cd burner
 doesn't generate errors, either. XP boots up faster, which is a big help.

What kind of box do you have? 5x is a lot! Mine is only 2x as fast as the old one!
 The only problem is the Iomega USB zip drive. I have to sit there and keep
 inserting & removing the disk until it randomly syncs up. Never had that
 trouble with the SCSI zip drives. I had thought I'd waited long enough for
 the USB vendors to work the bugs out.

I am not too crazy about USB either. Still use a regular keyboard and mouse. Also, my zip drive is IDE (buildin). I just order one with every new computer... Jan
May 22 2002
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.cc> wrote in message
news:3CEB82C8.15D38B19 smartsoft.cc...
 What kind of box do you have? 5x is a lot!

It was assembled from parts. I looked at the configuration options at Dell and Gateway, and basically couldn't make heads or tails of them. Spending 10 minutes yakking with the technician at the local screwdriver shop got me all the information I needed. I got the nice brushed aluminum case. It sure looks a lot better than the beige plastic boxes I am so sick of looking at. It's 5x faster not so much because the new machine is a screamer (1.6GHz), but because my old one is so obsolete (200 MHz).
May 22 2002
parent Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.cc> writes:
Walter wrote:

 "Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.cc> wrote in message
 news:3CEB82C8.15D38B19 smartsoft.cc...
 What kind of box do you have? 5x is a lot!

It was assembled from parts. I looked at the configuration options at Dell and Gateway, and basically couldn't make heads or tails of them. Spending 10 minutes yakking with the technician at the local screwdriver shop got me all the information I needed.

<g>
 I got the nice brushed aluminum case. It sure looks a lot better than the
 beige plastic boxes I am so sick of looking at.

I've got a black plastic box and I love it! Got a black flat-panel screen too!
 It's 5x faster not so much because the new machine is a screamer (1.6GHz),
 but because my old one is so obsolete (200 MHz).

Yeah, that will do it! Jan
May 22 2002
prev sibling parent reply "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> writes:
Errr... because I would have to pay for the upgrade?  I could get 2
DigitalMars CDs for that money!!!  :)

I heard about a lot of incompatibilies with older apps, especially
DOS-extended ones.  DJGPP even has a special workaround project for the bugs
in Win2k/XP NTVDM (I'm not sure it crashes, as other DOS-extenders do, or
just doesn't have any more DPMI selectors.  Perhaps someone with XP will
volunteer to try a small "Hello world" compiled with DJGPP?  :)))

Did you experience any problems with WinXP?  How about 16-bit DOS, Win16 or
X32 apps?


Laurentiu

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:acdplf$1g23$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
 news:acctpq$29sf$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 It seems that Microsoft is doing something strange!  The Aladdin

 for Win32 setup kit froze during copying one file, but it worked fine

 installing MSIE5.5 SP2.  I don't know if RS32 worked before that, but it
 works now, after installing the latest security patch for the above
 mentioned MSIE...  Should this have affected RS32 in any way, or MSIE is
 just so extremely deep in the OS???

 Oh well... the good thing is that it works now!!!  Thanks, Walter!  :)

It's good to know there's a fix for it! Anyhow, why not just dump it and

 XP? In my experience, it doesn't crash nearly as much.

May 22 2002
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:acfmti$bho$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Errr... because I would have to pay for the upgrade?  I could get 2
 DigitalMars CDs for that money!!!  :)

 I heard about a lot of incompatibilies with older apps, especially
 DOS-extended ones.  DJGPP even has a special workaround project for the

 in Win2k/XP NTVDM (I'm not sure it crashes, as other DOS-extenders do, or
 just doesn't have any more DPMI selectors.  Perhaps someone with XP will
 volunteer to try a small "Hello world" compiled with DJGPP?  :)))

 Did you experience any problems with WinXP?  How about 16-bit DOS, Win16

 X32 apps?

Doug has a new DOSX up that should fix the problems. I've had no trouble with 16 bit DOS or Win16 apps, in fact, they run better than on NT.
May 22 2002
parent reply "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> writes:
I heard some months ago about an updated version for XP, but it's not at
http://www.dosextender.com, the page didn't get updated (or my proxy has a
really bad personality disorder :)...  WDOSX also has problems with XP,
there's a technical explaination at
http://wdosx.homeip.net/wdosx/xpmess.html (link doesn't always work), maybe
it's also the reason behind X32 crashes?

Laurentiu


"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:acgeu2$11q0$3 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
 news:acfmti$bho$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Errr... because I would have to pay for the upgrade?  I could get 2
 DigitalMars CDs for that money!!!  :)

 I heard about a lot of incompatibilies with older apps, especially
 DOS-extended ones.  DJGPP even has a special workaround project for the

 in Win2k/XP NTVDM (I'm not sure it crashes, as other DOS-extenders do,


 just doesn't have any more DPMI selectors.  Perhaps someone with XP will
 volunteer to try a small "Hello world" compiled with DJGPP?  :)))

 Did you experience any problems with WinXP?  How about 16-bit DOS, Win16

 X32 apps?

Doug has a new DOSX up that should fix the problems. I've had no trouble with 16 bit DOS or Win16 apps, in fact, they run better than on NT.

May 22 2002
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
Doug has an update there labeled May 15.

"Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:acggac$131r$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I heard some months ago about an updated version for XP, but it's not at
 http://www.dosextender.com, the page didn't get updated (or my proxy has a
 really bad personality disorder :)...  WDOSX also has problems with XP,
 there's a technical explaination at
 http://wdosx.homeip.net/wdosx/xpmess.html (link doesn't always work),

 it's also the reason behind X32 crashes?

 Laurentiu

May 22 2002
parent reply "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> writes:
Yes, that's what I meant: May 15th 2001!  When I saw the first time the XP
problem reported in DOS32 newsgroup, it was the autumn of 2001, and someone
said he emailed to Doug, and Doug emailed him a fix.  But the page still
didn't get updated!

The May 15th 2001 X32 update only addresses the 2-byte stack alignment
problem when X32 is run under real mode, with no memory manager, AFAIK...


Laurentiu

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:achuq8$2fdt$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 Doug has an update there labeled May 15.

 "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
 news:acggac$131r$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I heard some months ago about an updated version for XP, but it's not at
 http://www.dosextender.com, the page didn't get updated (or my proxy has


 really bad personality disorder :)...  WDOSX also has problems with XP,
 there's a technical explaination at
 http://wdosx.homeip.net/wdosx/xpmess.html (link doesn't always work),

 it's also the reason behind X32 crashes?

 Laurentiu


May 23 2002
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
Oops! I guess we're a little stuck then with DOSX under XP.

"Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:aci668$2no7$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Yes, that's what I meant: May 15th 2001!  When I saw the first time the XP
 problem reported in DOS32 newsgroup, it was the autumn of 2001, and

 said he emailed to Doug, and Doug emailed him a fix.  But the page still
 didn't get updated!

 The May 15th 2001 X32 update only addresses the 2-byte stack alignment
 problem when X32 is run under real mode, with no memory manager, AFAIK...


 Laurentiu

 "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:achuq8$2fdt$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 Doug has an update there labeled May 15.

 "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
 news:acggac$131r$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I heard some months ago about an updated version for XP, but it's not



 http://www.dosextender.com, the page didn't get updated (or my proxy



 a
 really bad personality disorder :)...  WDOSX also has problems with



 there's a technical explaination at
 http://wdosx.homeip.net/wdosx/xpmess.html (link doesn't always work),

 it's also the reason behind X32 crashes?

 Laurentiu



May 23 2002
next sibling parent "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> writes:
Not necessarily... a fix should be available, and it works, as someone
reported on the newsgroup.  I just don't understand why Doug didn't make
this publicly available...

Laurentiu

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:acj2ut$gpm$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Oops! I guess we're a little stuck then with DOSX under XP.

 "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
 news:aci668$2no7$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Yes, that's what I meant: May 15th 2001!  When I saw the first time the


 problem reported in DOS32 newsgroup, it was the autumn of 2001, and

 said he emailed to Doug, and Doug emailed him a fix.  But the page still
 didn't get updated!

 The May 15th 2001 X32 update only addresses the 2-byte stack alignment
 problem when X32 is run under real mode, with no memory manager,


 Laurentiu

 "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:achuq8$2fdt$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 Doug has an update there labeled May 15.

 "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> wrote in message
 news:acggac$131r$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I heard some months ago about an updated version for XP, but it's




 at
 http://www.dosextender.com, the page didn't get updated (or my proxy



 a
 really bad personality disorder :)...  WDOSX also has problems with



 there's a technical explaination at
 http://wdosx.homeip.net/wdosx/xpmess.html (link doesn't always




 maybe
 it's also the reason behind X32 crashes?

 Laurentiu




May 23 2002
prev sibling parent reply Roland <rv ronetech.com> writes:
Walter a écrit :

 Oops! I guess we're a little stuck then with DOSX under XP.

there is a temporary solution if not nice: multi boot. create a new dos partition (Partition Magic ?) and choose your os at boot time. Partition Magic can do that too (PQBoot). Looks like making a new partition for Linux. If you have Linux installed, Lilo can do the job too. There is an other solution under Linux: a software called Wmware. I don't know exately what it is but i know guys having linux while there client or coleague run Windows and can't afford usual Linux fantasy. So, when needed, they switch to Windows (even XP) running on a "Linux box" thanks to Wmware. It seems to run perfectly and fast if you have big memory. May be you can run DOS under Linux/Wmware as well. I have in mind trying Wmware. I will try it running DOSX as well I will let you know the result. As usual i don't know when so don't expect to me. cheers roland
May 23 2002
parent reply "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> writes:
Why VMWARE?  Doesn't X32 work under DOSEMU?

There's VMWARE for WinNT, also, I heard it works just as well as the Linux
version.  But I'd be more interested in a fix for X32, rather than an OS
emulator.

Laurentiu

"Roland" <rv ronetech.com> wrote in message
news:3CED1E00.836FA0E5 ronetech.com...
 Walter a écrit :

 Oops! I guess we're a little stuck then with DOSX under XP.

there is a temporary solution if not nice: multi boot. create a new dos partition (Partition Magic ?) and choose your os at boot

 Partition Magic can do that too (PQBoot).
 Looks like making a new partition for Linux.
 If you have Linux installed, Lilo can do the job too.

 There is an other solution under Linux: a software called Wmware.
 I don't know exately what it is but i know guys having linux while there

 or coleague run
 Windows and can't afford usual Linux fantasy.
 So, when needed, they switch to Windows (even XP) running on a "Linux box"
 thanks to Wmware.
 It seems to run perfectly and fast if you have big memory.
 May be you can run DOS under Linux/Wmware as well.
 I have in mind trying Wmware. I will try it running DOSX as well
 I will let you know the result.
 As usual i don't know when so don't expect to me.

 cheers

 roland

May 23 2002
parent reply roland <--nancyetroland free.fr> writes:
Laurentiu Pancescu a écrit :
 
 Why VMWARE?  Doesn't X32 work under DOSEMU?
 

no problem to make the right conf file ?
 There's VMWARE for WinNT, also, I heard it works just as well as the Linux
 version.  But I'd be more interested in a fix for X32, rather than an OS
 emulator.

of course roland
May 23 2002
parent "Laurentiu Pancescu" <lpancescu fastmail.fm> writes:
"roland" <--nancyetroland free.fr> wrote in message
news:3CED3BE3.2A3C16D4 free.fr...
 Laurentiu Pancescu a écrit :
 Why VMWARE?  Doesn't X32 work under DOSEMU?

no problem to make the right conf file ?

Okay, I'll try under DOSEmu... making "the right conf" file is not a big problem (I've been doing this since before DOSEmu was 0.66 :). Laurentiu
May 24 2002