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c++.dos.32-bits - dmc and Pharlap

reply "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> writes:
I'm trying to build a Pharlap version of a program, but dmc fails to find
my 386link program. Even though it is on my PATH.

   dmc ident.c ..\lib\wattcpdf.lib x32.lib dosx32.lib  MAKE0000.   

386link ident -tc -l e:\net\watt\lib\..\lib\wattcpdf d:\prog\dmc\lib\x32 d:\phar
70\lib\dosx32 exc_dmc e:\net\watt\lib\..\lib\wattcpdf d:\prog\dmc\lib\x32 d:\pha
r70\lib\dosx32 exc_dmc d:\prog\dmc\lib\sdx

Can't run '386link', check PATH


path



osx\bin;c:\util;c:\util\zip;f:\windows\system32;e:\net\watt\bin;d:\phar70\bin;c:\4dos;
e:\net\ppp;c:\util\norton

386link is in d:\phar70\bin.

Is it a problem with the long 386link cmd-line? If so, how can I make dmc put
that in a response file?

dmc 8.34.12, Pharlap 7.0 SDK

-- 
Gisle V.

# rm /bin/laden
/bin/laden: Not found
Jul 07 2003
next sibling parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Why do you want to use Pharlap?
I have used Pharlap, DOS4GW and DOSX as it came with Zortech/Symantec and now
Digital Mars
C++ and found DOSX to be the clear winner. Unless you have specific reasons for
using
Pharlap, you might be better of using DOSX.



Gisle Vanem wrote:


 I'm trying to build a Pharlap version of a program, but dmc fails to find
 my 386link program. Even though it is on my PATH.

    dmc ident.c ..\lib\wattcpdf.lib x32.lib dosx32.lib  MAKE0000.   

 386link ident -tc -l e:\net\watt\lib\..\lib\wattcpdf d:\prog\dmc\lib\x32
d:\phar
 70\lib\dosx32 exc_dmc e:\net\watt\lib\..\lib\wattcpdf d:\prog\dmc\lib\x32
d:\pha
 r70\lib\dosx32 exc_dmc d:\prog\dmc\lib\sdx

 Can't run '386link', check PATH


path



 osx\bin;c:\util;c:\util\zip;f:\windows\system32;e:\net\watt\bin;d:\phar70\bin;c:\4dos;
 e:\net\ppp;c:\util\norton

 386link is in d:\phar70\bin.

 Is it a problem with the long 386link cmd-line? If so, how can I make dmc put
 that in a response file?

 dmc 8.34.12, Pharlap 7.0 SDK

 --
 Gisle V.

 # rm /bin/laden
 /bin/laden: Not found



--
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Jul 07 2003
parent reply "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote:


 Why do you want to use Pharlap?
 I have used Pharlap, DOS4GW and DOSX as it came with Zortech/Symantec and now
Digital Mars
 C++ and found DOSX to be the clear winner. Unless you have specific reasons
for using
 Pharlap, you might be better of using DOSX.



I assume you mean Flashtek's X32 when you say DOSX.
Why Pharlap? Because it's far superiour to Flashtek and DOS4GW.
Only djgpp/CWSDPMI is better IMHO.

--gv
Jul 07 2003
next sibling parent reply "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> writes:
"Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> wrote:


 I assume you mean Flashtek's X32 when you say DOSX.
 Why Pharlap? Because it's far superiour to Flashtek and DOS4GW.
 Only djgpp/CWSDPMI is better IMHO.



Flashtek is a pile of crap. It fails to run a simple "Hello world" program
under Win-XP DOS-box.


dmc -v2 -mx hello.c x32.lib



Digital Mars C/C++ Compiler Version 8.34.12n
Copyright (C) Digital Mars 2000-2003.  All Rights Reserved.
Written by Walter Bright
www.digitalmars.com
 'hello.c'
  'D:\PROG\DMC\BIN\..\include\stdio.h'
  'D:\PROG\DMC\BIN\..\include\stdlib.h'
   'D:\PROG\DMC\BIN\..\include\heapstat.h'
  'D:\PROG\DMC\BIN\..\include\dos.h'
main
C/C++ Compiler complete. Code: 0x0015 (21) Data: 0x0017 (23) Time: 0.32 seconds

link d:\prog\dmc\lib\cx+hello,hello,,x32/noi;


 hello.exe causes a trap in NTVDM:



OP: ff ff 00 00 00

--gv
Jul 07 2003
next sibling parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Gisle Vanem wrote:


 I assume you mean Flashtek's X32 when you say DOSX.
 Why Pharlap? Because it's far superiour to Flashtek and DOS4GW.
 Only djgpp/CWSDPMI is better IMHO.



 Flashtek is a pile of crap. It fails to run a simple "Hello world" program
 under Win-XP DOS-box.



That might or might not have anything to do with Flashtek.
Why would you want to run a 32 bits DOS application in a Windows XP command line
anyways???
I run DOS 32 bits on DOS and Win 32 bits console from a command line.


dmc -v2 -mx hello.c x32.lib



 Digital Mars C/C++ Compiler Version 8.34.12n
 Copyright (C) Digital Mars 2000-2003.  All Rights Reserved.
 Written by Walter Bright
 www.digitalmars.com
  'hello.c'
   'D:\PROG\DMC\BIN\..\include\stdio.h'
   'D:\PROG\DMC\BIN\..\include\stdlib.h'
    'D:\PROG\DMC\BIN\..\include\heapstat.h'
   'D:\PROG\DMC\BIN\..\include\dos.h'
 main
 C/C++ Compiler complete. Code: 0x0015 (21) Data: 0x0017 (23) Time: 0.32 seconds

 link d:\prog\dmc\lib\cx+hello,hello,,x32/noi;


 hello.exe causes a trap in NTVDM:



 OP: ff ff 00 00 00



Have you tried the version on www.dosextender.com


--
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Jul 07 2003
parent reply "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote:


 That might or might not have anything to do with Flashtek.
 Why would you want to run a 32 bits DOS application in a Windows XP command
line
 anyways???
 I run DOS 32 bits on DOS and Win 32 bits console from a command line.



Why do you answer a question with an unrelated question?
I expect the same exe to run under Win-XP and plain DOS. Why keep
2 exes for the same job? If that's impossible with Flashtek, please
say so.


 Have you tried the version on www.dosextender.com



Do you mean the "*NEW VERSION* Updated May 15, 2001" ?
Yes I do; is there a newer version?

--gv
Jul 07 2003
next sibling parent Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Gisle Vanem wrote:


 "Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote:


 That might or might not have anything to do with Flashtek.
 Why would you want to run a 32 bits DOS application in a Windows XP command
line
 anyways???
 I run DOS 32 bits on DOS and Win 32 bits console from a command line.



 Why do you answer a question with an unrelated question?



Oh, is it unrelated?
I would not perfer to run a Formula-1 race car on a dirt road...


 I expect the same exe to run under Win-XP and plain DOS. Why keep
 2 exes for the same job? If that's impossible with Flashtek, please
 say so.



I do not know if that is possible with DOSX or not. I have used it up to W2K's
command
line where it didn't seem to be a problem. I have not actively used ANY dos
extender
in development for the last 3/4 years.

There is no reason to explain the benefits of running a native executable.

What you can do is write a WINSTUB.exe that executes <program>X.exe (DOSX
version)
when you are NOT running on Win32 and run the native Win32 when you are...


 Have you tried the version on www.dosextender.com



 Yes I do; is there a newer version?



Not that I am aware off.

--
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Jul 07 2003
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> wrote in message
news:becc58$rsq$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 I expect the same exe to run under Win-XP and plain DOS. Why keep
 2 exes for the same job? If that's impossible with Flashtek, please
 say so.



What I've done for years is make a dual executable. I.e. build the DOSX
version, and then make that the 'stub executable' for the win32 version.
That way, if running under dos, the DOSX version runs. If running under
Win32, the Win32 version runs. The two executables are bound into one .exe
file.

I found running DOS programs to be unsuitable under Win32, because:

1) DOS programs can't handle long file names.
2) DOS date/time has too coarse a granularity.
3) Win32 does not pass the environment correctly when a DOS program spawns a
Win32 program and vice versa.
4) Problems with long command lines (as you've pointed out!).

With a dual executable, these problems go away.
Jul 07 2003
parent reply "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> writes:
"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote:


 What I've done for years is make a dual executable. I.e. build the DOSX
 version, and then make that the 'stub executable' for the win32 version.
 That way, if running under dos, the DOSX version runs. If running under
 Win32, the Win32 version runs. The two executables are bound into one .exe
 file.



Is that what you did for dmc.exe? If so this method have problems
with 4DOS shells. For every spawning of 386link, one instance of dmc.exe
is left running in the TaskManager. With COMMAND.COM it's okay.
Are you checking the %COMSPEC% value?

--gv
Jul 07 2003
parent "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> wrote in message
news:bednha$255s$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote:

 What I've done for years is make a dual executable. I.e. build the DOSX
 version, and then make that the 'stub executable' for the win32 version.
 That way, if running under dos, the DOSX version runs. If running under
 Win32, the Win32 version runs. The two executables are bound into one







 file.



 with 4DOS shells. For every spawning of 386link, one instance of dmc.exe
 is left running in the TaskManager. With COMMAND.COM it's okay.
 Are you checking the %COMSPEC% value?



Not anymore. dmc.exe is now a win32 only program.
Jul 08 2003
prev sibling parent roland <--rv ronetech.com> writes:
Gisle Vanem wrote:
	.
	.


 Do you mean the "*NEW VERSION* Updated May 15, 2001" ?
 Yes I do; is there a newer version?
 
 --gv
 




The version can change. the date don't..
I personaly Re download it once a year.

If i could help i might help and after say about the same as Jan.
As i can't help i just say about the same as Jan.

ciao

roland
Jul 08 2003
prev sibling next sibling parent "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> wrote in message
news:bec5me$lql$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Why Pharlap? Because it's far superiour to Flashtek and DOS4GW.
 Only djgpp/CWSDPMI is better IMHO.



 under Win-XP DOS-box.



Flashtek works on DOS, and all windows versions except XP, where Microsoft
apparently broke the interface to DPMI. Other than not working under XP,
Flashtek is (in my experience) far better than other DOS extenders,
primarilly because it is an order of magnitude smaller.
Jul 07 2003
prev sibling parent reply "Nic Tiger" <tiger7 progtech.ru> writes:
"Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> wrote in message
news:bec5me$lql$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> wrote:


 I assume you mean Flashtek's X32 when you say DOSX.
 Why Pharlap? Because it's far superiour to Flashtek and DOS4GW.
 Only djgpp/CWSDPMI is better IMHO.



 Flashtek is a pile of crap. It fails to run a simple "Hello world" program
 under Win-XP DOS-box.



I consider WinXP a huge pile of crap. If it doesn't support advanced
technique (which previous versions of M$ Windows supported, by the way) it
doesn't mean that any software that uses this technique is crap.

DOSX is fastest and smallest dos extender. I've used it for 4 years (till
now) for several huge military class software systems, and I have never had
ANY fault related to DOSX.

Nic Tiger.
Jul 08 2003
next sibling parent roland <--rv ronetech.com> writes:
Nic Tiger wrote:


 DOSX is fastest and smallest dos extender. I've used it for 4 years (till
 now) for several huge military class software systems, and I have never had
 ANY fault related to DOSX.
 



we used DOSX for real time embeded machine tools driving up to 5 axis. 
same: NEVER had ANY problem due to DOSX.

roland
Jul 09 2003
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> writes:
"Nic Tiger" <tiger7 progtech.ru> wrote:


 DOSX is fastest and smallest dos extender. I've used it for 4 years (till
 now) for several huge military class software systems, and I have never had
 ANY fault related to DOSX.



Small size is no longer a bonus IMHO. It tells me it was probably
written in asm and with limited features or runtime checks.
Does your X32 programs run i anything but plain DOS?
OS/2, Win32, dosemu DOS-boxes?

--gv
Jul 09 2003
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> wrote in message
news:behc9i$2k04$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Nic Tiger" <tiger7 progtech.ru> wrote:

 DOSX is fastest and smallest dos extender. I've used it for 4 years







 now) for several huge military class software systems, and I have never







 ANY fault related to DOSX.



 written in asm and with limited features or runtime checks.



It was written in asm, and it is full featured.


 Does your X32 programs run i anything but plain DOS?



Yes, it runs under all Win32 versions except XP, when Microsoft broke DPMI
support.


 OS/2, Win32, dosemu DOS-boxes?



It should. I haven't powered up my OS/2 box in over a decade <g>.
Jul 09 2003
parent "Nic Tiger" <tiger7 progtech.ru> writes:
It works fine on OS/2. I used it for 1/2 year and I liked the way OS/2
implemented DPMI. Problems with my new video card drivers prevented me from
using OS/2 further.

Also I tried DOSX on Linux' dos-emu. It works, but my specific program
didn't work because of lack of VESA BIOS support.

Nic Tiger.

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:behdn0$2ldk$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> wrote in message
 news:behc9i$2k04$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Nic Tiger" <tiger7 progtech.ru> wrote:

 DOSX is fastest and smallest dos extender. I've used it for 4 years







 now) for several huge military class software systems, and I have










 had

 ANY fault related to DOSX.



 written in asm and with limited features or runtime checks.



 It was written in asm, and it is full featured.


 Does your X32 programs run i anything but plain DOS?



 Yes, it runs under all Win32 versions except XP, when Microsoft broke DPMI
 support.


 OS/2, Win32, dosemu DOS-boxes?



 It should. I haven't powered up my OS/2 box in over a decade <g>.
Jul 09 2003
prev sibling parent "Javier Gutiérrez" <nikkho NOSPAM hotmail.com> writes:
"Nic Tiger" <tiger7 progtech.ru> escribió en el mensaje
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 "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> wrote in message
 news:bec5me$lql$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> wrote:


 I assume you mean Flashtek's X32 when you say DOSX.
 Why Pharlap? Because it's far superiour to Flashtek and DOS4GW.
 Only djgpp/CWSDPMI is better IMHO.



 Flashtek is a pile of crap. It fails to run a simple "Hello world"







 under Win-XP DOS-box.



 I consider WinXP a huge pile of crap. If it doesn't support advanced
 technique (which previous versions of M$ Windows supported, by the way) it
 doesn't mean that any software that uses this technique is crap.

 DOSX is fastest and smallest dos extender. I've used it for 4 years (till
 now) for several huge military class software systems, and I have never




 ANY fault related to DOSX.

 Nic Tiger.



    PMode/W, ZRDX and DOS32/A are smaller.
    DOS32/A is probably faster.
Jul 10 2003
prev sibling parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Gisle Vanem wrote:


 "Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote:


 Why do you want to use Pharlap?
 I have used Pharlap, DOS4GW and DOSX as it came with Zortech/Symantec and now
Digital Mars
 C++ and found DOSX to be the clear winner. Unless you have specific reasons
for using
 Pharlap, you might be better of using DOSX.



 I assume you mean Flashtek's X32 when you say DOSX.



Yup.


 Why Pharlap? Because it's far superiour to Flashtek and DOS4GW.
 Only djgpp/CWSDPMI is better IMHO.



Oh yeah?
How long have you been using either one of them?

--
ManiaC++
Jan Knepper
Jul 07 2003
parent "Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote:


 Why Pharlap? Because it's far superiour to Flashtek and DOS4GW.
 Only djgpp/CWSDPMI is better IMHO.



 Oh yeah?
 How long have you been using either one of them?



Pharlap since 1992, djgpp since 1994.

--gv
Jul 07 2003
prev sibling parent "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
Yes, the problem is the command line length is too long. It has to be 127
characters or less. To use a response file, you'll probably need to do the
link separately. -Walter

"Gisle Vanem" <giva users.sourceforge.net> wrote in message
news:bebv4p$en8$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 I'm trying to build a Pharlap version of a program, but dmc fails to find
 my 386link program. Even though it is on my PATH.

    dmc ident.c ..\lib\wattcpdf.lib x32.lib dosx32.lib  MAKE0000.   

 386link ident -tc -l e:\net\watt\lib\..\lib\wattcpdf d:\prog\dmc\lib\x32




 70\lib\dosx32 exc_dmc e:\net\watt\lib\..\lib\wattcpdf d:\prog\dmc\lib\x32




 r70\lib\dosx32 exc_dmc d:\prog\dmc\lib\sdx

 Can't run '386link', check PATH


path






g\wd



n;c:\4dos;

 e:\net\ppp;c:\util\norton

 386link is in d:\phar70\bin.

 Is it a problem with the long 386link cmd-line? If so, how can I make dmc




 that in a response file?

 dmc 8.34.12, Pharlap 7.0 SDK

 --
 Gisle V.

 # rm /bin/laden
 /bin/laden: Not found






 Jul 07 2003