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reply Denis Troshin <weiv mail.ru> writes:
It is strange that cool programmers like you
are using Outlook Express 6. :)
Jan 04 2004
parent reply "Rajiv Bhagwat" <dataflow vsnl.com> writes:
"Denis Troshin" <weiv mail.ru> wrote in message
news:opr09jqafuan535p pop.mail.ru...
 It is strange that cool programmers like you
 are using Outlook Express 6. :)

HNY to all.. Ya, just because it works!! Your question prompted me to check my OE. Installed in 1998, it currently holds more than 10,000 emails (no junk mails)(I plan to look and remove into them when I --fully-- retire!), not to count the News items. Every month I get a lot of CDs with freeware-shareware-school projectware-hobbyware software with a lot of computer magazines - I used to feel guilty for not trying them out, till I realised that most of the stuff is 'junkware' as well. Unfortunately, the same is the case with a lot of half cooked s/w on net. So, unless strongly recommended, no new junk for me. It simply takes too much time (and involves risk) to try out things. And in this case, the problem is not with IE, the same Newsgroup behaviour occurs with Netscape and Opera. Till Jan finds time / help to hunt down the problem, we will have to wait. (Are you also going to recommend a newsreader with 'defensive programming' that hides the news server problem?) BTW, I could also locate in my daily library sources a 'c' routine from 1987, a 'c++' class from 1991 (several from 1993) - what to do with the 'old' stuff if it continues to be useful? - Rajiv
Jan 05 2004
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:

 Ya, just because it works!!

<g> That depends on how you define "it works!!" ;-)
 Your question prompted me to check my OE.  Installed in 1998, it currently
 holds more than 10,000 emails (no junk mails)(I plan to look and remove into
 them when I --fully-- retire!), not to count the News items.

Well, the same here, but I 'file' messages in yearly folders... Shortly I will be creating 2003 and 'file' everything send and received that I kept around in this folder...
 Every month I get a lot of CDs with freeware-shareware-school
 projectware-hobbyware software with a lot of computer magazines - I used to
 feel guilty for not trying them out, till I realised that most of the stuff
 is 'junkware' as well. Unfortunately, the same is the case with a lot of
 half cooked s/w on net. So, unless strongly recommended, no new junk for me.
 It simply takes too much time (and involves risk) to try out things.

No risk in trying Mozilla Thunderbird... www.mozilla.org It's a typical programmer type of thing. Just a .zip file you unzip in /Program Files/mozilla.org for instance and than make a shortcut to the .exe. The next thing you do when you are using outlook: - Start Mozilla Thunderbird - Tools -> Import -> Settings. - Tools -> Import -> Address Books - Tools -> Import -> Mail You should not even have to search for places where the data is! Try it... You might like it... Also, if you don't like it you still can go back to OE... It's not like it becomes unusable after the import... ;-) So far I have heard complaints about it... I do not recall much response from people even trying something different...
 And in this case, the problem is not with IE, the same Newsgroup behaviour
 occurs with Netscape and Opera.

Not with Opera, not with Mozilla Thunderbird and Not with Mozilla is what I know so far.
 Till Jan finds time / help  to hunt down the problem, we will have to wait.
 (Are you also going to recommend a newsreader with 'defensive programming'
 that hides the news server problem?)

Well, I have done that and have not been able to find a single solution to the problem. The solution might come with an upgrade of the system when I install the latest INN. Not scheduled for anytime soon. It also might come if I turn on to expire older articles. I do not know... Any INN expert help is welcome. Than again... OE and obviously others attach to much importance to an ESTIMATED article count as the RFC states. Jan -- ManiaC++ Jan Knepper
Jan 05 2004
parent reply Rajiv Bhagwat <brajiv giasbm01.vsnl.net.in> writes:
Jan Knepper wrote:
 Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:
 
 Ya, just because it works!!

<g> That depends on how you define "it works!!" ;-)
 Your question prompted me to check my OE.  Installed in 1998, it 
 currently
 holds more than 10,000 emails (no junk mails)(I plan to look and 
 remove into
 them when I --fully-- retire!), not to count the News items.

Well, the same here, but I 'file' messages in yearly folders... Shortly I will be creating 2003 and 'file' everything send and received that I kept around in this folder...
 Every month I get a lot of CDs with freeware-shareware-school
 projectware-hobbyware software with a lot of computer magazines - I 
 used to
 feel guilty for not trying them out, till I realised that most of the 
 stuff
 is 'junkware' as well. Unfortunately, the same is the case with a lot of
 half cooked s/w on net. So, unless strongly recommended, no new junk 
 for me.
 It simply takes too much time (and involves risk) to try out things.

No risk in trying Mozilla Thunderbird... www.mozilla.org It's a typical programmer type of thing. Just a .zip file you unzip in /Program Files/mozilla.org for instance and than make a shortcut to the .exe. The next thing you do when you are using outlook: - Start Mozilla Thunderbird - Tools -> Import -> Settings. - Tools -> Import -> Address Books - Tools -> Import -> Mail You should not even have to search for places where the data is! Try it... You might like it... Also, if you don't like it you still can go back to OE... It's not like it becomes unusable after the import... ;-) So far I have heard complaints about it... I do not recall much response from people even trying something different...
 And in this case, the problem is not with IE, the same Newsgroup 
 behaviour
 occurs with Netscape and Opera.

Not with Opera, not with Mozilla Thunderbird and Not with Mozilla is what I know so far.
 Till Jan finds time / help  to hunt down the problem, we will have to 
 wait.
 (Are you also going to recommend a newsreader with 'defensive 
 programming'
 that hides the news server problem?)

Well, I have done that and have not been able to find a single solution to the problem. The solution might come with an upgrade of the system when I install the latest INN. Not scheduled for anytime soon. It also might come if I turn on to expire older articles. I do not know... Any INN expert help is welcome. Than again... OE and obviously others attach to much importance to an ESTIMATED article count as the RFC states. Jan

Thunderbird.. For other interested people: http://www.nidelven-it.no/articles/introduction_to_thunderbird - Rajiv
Jan 06 2004
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:
 Thanks Jan for the recommendation! This message comes to you from 
 Thunderbird..
 For other interested people:
 http://www.nidelven-it.no/articles/introduction_to_thunderbird

Oh, you are more than welcome! I think there is much misplaced fear about changing to Thunderbird... Question... Were you able to import the news articles as well? If so, did Thunderbird keep track of what you had read and what not? Thanks for the link! This is great! Jan -- ManiaC++ Jan Knepper
Jan 06 2004
parent reply Rajiv Bhagwat <brajiv giasbm01.vsnl.net.in> writes:
Jan Knepper wrote:
 Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:
 
 Thanks Jan for the recommendation! This message comes to you from 
 Thunderbird..
 For other interested people:
 http://www.nidelven-it.no/articles/introduction_to_thunderbird

Oh, you are more than welcome! I think there is much misplaced fear about changing to Thunderbird... Question... Were you able to import the news articles as well? If so, did Thunderbird keep track of what you had read and what not? Thanks for the link! This is great! Jan

them are marked as 'unread', I will have to 'read' them (mark them read), but it seems to work ok with this chat group which I 'read'. While importing mails, there was a problem (the process stopped then, so I don't know whether all other messages came in), and a quick check showed that a message with a JPG attachment could not display it nor store the image... (strange, since JPG is a common format). So, holding for mail switchover. Also, could not find the 'outbox' -I don't like each mail being transmitted as soon as 'sent' - so will have to explore a solution for that too.. Will explore further today. - Rajiv
Jan 06 2004
parent Ilya Minkov <minkov cs.tum.edu> writes:
Rajiv Bhagwat wrote:
 Yes, all the news articles came in without a problem. Currently, all of 
 them are marked as 'unread', I will have to 'read' them (mark them 
 read), but it seems to work ok with this chat group which I 'read'.

There was a one-key shortcut for that. Here it is Ctrl+Shift+C
 While importing mails, there was a problem (the process stopped then, so 
 I  don't know whether all other messages came in), and a quick check 
 showed  that a message with a JPG attachment could not display it nor 
 store the image... (strange, since JPG is a common format). So, holding 
 for mail switchover.

This should not happen. Perhaps there is some other problem which hinders it. I had a problem with "/" in a mailbox name. It may also be that the heavyweight Mozilla 1.5 has a few bugs less?
 Also, could not find the 'outbox' -I don't like 
 each mail being transmitted as soon as 'sent' - so will have to explore 
 a solution for that too..

hmmmm... The mozilla mailers are not very offline-friendy. I think this is worth another project. "Offline Mozilla" or something alike. Add deferred send, and dial-exchange-handgup sequence for those without DSL at home. Not that i would like to do it. ;) I got used to being online. -eye
Jan 07 2004