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reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html
Mar 19 2004
next sibling parent "C. Sauls" <ibisbasenji yahoo.com> writes:
Walter wrote:
 I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html
 

I just read through the thing... nice artwork. ;) And I agree, those "funky name lookup rules" had to go. Heh. -C. Sauls -Invironz
Mar 19 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> writes:
Walter wrote:
 I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html

Awesome. I especially like the judicious use of color. The title slide is the best. -- Justin http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/
Mar 19 2004
parent C <dont respond.com> writes:
 The title slide is the best.

Yea it is, would make for a good poster, or maybe shrink it down use it = as = logo :). C On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:22:16 -0600, J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> wrote:
 Walter wrote:
 I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html

Awesome. I especially like the judicious use of color.

-- = D Newsgroup.
Mar 19 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent "Carlos Santander B." <carlos8294 msn.com> writes:
"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
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| I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html

In http://www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/scan0013.jpg, in function parabola,
"function" should be "delegate".
Really nice work, btw!

-----------------------
Carlos Santander Bernal
Mar 19 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:
Walter wrote:

I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html

-- -Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/
Mar 19 2004
parent reply "Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:
I agree, there is a lot of examples for the
upcoming book they are going to write
(nudge nudge wink wink)

Phill.


"J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> wrote in message
news:c3gog4$1tcq$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Walter wrote:

I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html

-- -Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/

Mar 19 2004
parent "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> writes:
Certainly suggestive of a plain, straightforward, structure.

nudged, nudged, winked, winked

"Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> wrote in message
news:c3gpb4$1uok$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I agree, there is a lot of examples for the
 upcoming book they are going to write
 (nudge nudge wink wink)

 Phill.


 "J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> wrote in message
 news:c3gog4$1tcq$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Walter wrote:

I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html

-- -Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/


Mar 19 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> writes:
I'm just reading through the slides, and even though I've been using it for
nearly two years, it almost takes your breath away how good it is in almost
all aspects. Well done, Walter!

"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
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 I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html

Mar 19 2004
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> wrote in message
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 I'm just reading through the slides, and even though I've been using it

 nearly two years, it almost takes your breath away how good it is in

 all aspects. Well done, Walter!

I really want to pull all this stuff together into a slim, seminal book.
Mar 19 2004
parent reply Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Walter wrote:
 "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> wrote in message
 news:c3gp9g$1umr$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 
I'm just reading through the slides, and even though I've been using it

for
nearly two years, it almost takes your breath away how good it is in

almost
all aspects. Well done, Walter!

I really want to pull all this stuff together into a slim, seminal book.

on www.digitalmars.com -- ManiaC++ Jan Knepper But as for me and my household, we shall use Mozilla... www.mozilla.org
Mar 20 2004
parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
news:c3huor$uka$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Well, if you have a PDF writer that would be easy and you could sell it
 on www.digitalmars.com

I like Bruce Eckel's method of having a free downloadable version, and then a physical book one can buy.
Mar 20 2004
next sibling parent Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> writes:
Walter wrote:
 "Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
 news:c3huor$uka$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 
Well, if you have a PDF writer that would be easy and you could sell it
on www.digitalmars.com

I like Bruce Eckel's method of having a free downloadable version, and then a physical book one can buy.

Me too! That's what I tried to refer to... ;-) -- ManiaC++ Jan Knepper But as for me and my household, we shall use Mozilla... www.mozilla.org
Mar 20 2004
prev sibling parent reply "Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:
If you make an E Book, it is going to be more or less free to a lot of
people anyway.
With these file swapping programs around now, it  would be make it hard to
make any money on
the net.

Phill.


"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:c3i5q8$1a2g$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Jan Knepper" <jan smartsoft.us> wrote in message
 news:c3huor$uka$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Well, if you have a PDF writer that would be easy and you could sell it
 on www.digitalmars.com

I like Bruce Eckel's method of having a free downloadable version, and

 a physical book one can buy.

Mar 20 2004
next sibling parent reply Andrew Edwards <remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> writes:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:13:55 +1100, Phill <phill pacific.net.au> wrote:

 If you make an E Book, it is going to be more or less free to a lot of
 people anyway.
 With these file swapping programs around now, it  would be make it hard 
 to
 make any money on
 the net.

 Phill.

A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer screen. Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly not in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and making money will be someone else's problem). Andrew
Mar 20 2004
next sibling parent reply "Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:
Sorry, I wasnt clear, I meant that if he makes
an E Book that he would not be able to make
much money out of the E Book.

Phill.


"Andrew Edwards" <remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:opr46oe9bfs6zaqn news.digitalmars.com...
 On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:13:55 +1100, Phill <phill pacific.net.au> wrote:

 If you make an E Book, it is going to be more or less free to a lot of
 people anyway.
 With these file swapping programs around now, it  would be make it hard
 to
 make any money on
 the net.

 Phill.

A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer screen. Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly not in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and making money will be someone else's problem). Andrew

Mar 20 2004
parent =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sigbj=F8rn_Lund_Olsen?= <sigbjorn lundolsen.net> writes:
Phill wrote:

 Sorry, I wasnt clear, I meant that if he makes
 an E Book that he would not be able to make
 much money out of the E Book.
 
 Phill.

...and he said that if the book was also available in print in a dual-form sort of arrangement (like the C++ ebook on relisoft.com) then he could. For example, I bought the relisoft.com C++ ebook immediately when it came into print simply because I don't like reading 500 pages on a computer screen. My screen is dead sexy (fyi ;-), but it just doesn't beat paper when it comes to reading. Cheers, Sigbjørn Lund Olsen
Mar 21 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply John Reimer <jjreimer telus.net> writes:
 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer screen.
 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html
 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a
 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly not
 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and making
 money will be someone else's problem).
 
 Andrew

This is really true. I actually like collecting free computer science ebooks, but for some reason, never like reading them off the screen. In the past, I've ended up printing the good ones out. There's nothing quite like being able to grab a book, flop out on the couch and use it as a face cover for a good nap (just kidding). Nonetheless, I do find ebooks very useful for quick-lookup references. Where it may eventually get better for ebooks is on pda's. I like that idea except for the fact that pda screens are still pretty small, and the pda battery life does not compare well to paper books :-). Paper books likely will never go out of style. Later, John
Mar 20 2004
next sibling parent John Reimer <jjreimer telus.net> writes:
 
 This is really true.  I actually like collecting free computer science
 ebooks, but for some reason, never like reading them off the screen.  In
 the past, I've ended up printing the good ones out. There's nothing quite
 like being able to grab a book, flop out on the couch and use it as a face
 cover for a good nap (just kidding).  Nonetheless, I do find ebooks very
 useful for quick-lookup references. Where it may eventually get better for
 ebooks is on pda's.  I like that idea except for the fact that pda screens
 are still pretty small, and the pda battery life does not compare well to
 paper books :-).  Paper books likely will never go out of style.
 
 Later,
 John

I should clarify that I'm talking about the trully free ebooks (by this I don't mean the secure ebooks). I mean the ones released as pdf and html to the public.
Mar 20 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> writes:
"John Reimer" <jjreimer telus.net> wrote in message
news:c3io0h$282i$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer


 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html
 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a
 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly


 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and


 money will be someone else's problem).

 Andrew

This is really true. I actually like collecting free computer science ebooks, but for some reason, never like reading them off the screen. In the past, I've ended up printing the good ones out. There's nothing quite like being able to grab a book, flop out on the couch and use it as a face cover for a good nap (just kidding). Nonetheless, I do find ebooks very useful for quick-lookup references. Where it may eventually get better for ebooks is on pda's. I like that idea except for the fact that pda screens are still pretty small, and the pda battery life does not compare well to paper books :-). Paper books likely will never go out of style.

True. Electronic form is useful for reference, but, IMO, nothing else. I've never been able to read even a single chapter of an electronic book, in any form, and am invariably disappointed to find them not available in print. Also, there's the connotation that if a book's available only electronically, then it's not very good. I've yet to come across one that proves this hypothesis wrong, although I'm open-minded on the subject.
 Later,
 John

Mar 20 2004
prev sibling parent =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sigbj=F8rn_Lund_Olsen?= <sigbjorn lundolsen.net> writes:
John Reimer wrote:

A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer screen.
Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html
format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a
printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly not
in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and making
money will be someone else's problem).

Andrew

This is really true. I actually like collecting free computer science ebooks, but for some reason, never like reading them off the screen. In the past, I've ended up printing the good ones out. There's nothing quite like being able to grab a book, flop out on the couch and use it as a face cover for a good nap (just kidding). Nonetheless, I do find ebooks very useful for quick-lookup references. Where it may eventually get better for ebooks is on pda's. I like that idea except for the fact that pda screens are still pretty small, and the pda battery life does not compare well to paper books :-). Paper books likely will never go out of style.

If there was a device about A4 size, with an LCD touchpad screen, reasonably thing yet reasonably sturdy, then I'd possibly go for reading Ebooks in electronic form. But untill then, it's paper for any lengthy document. Cheers, Sigbjørn Lund Olsen
Mar 21 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Andrew Edwards" <remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:opr46oe9bfs6zaqn news.digitalmars.com...
 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer screen.
 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html
 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a
 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly not
 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and making
 money will be someone else's problem).

Both have their place. The soft version is great for lookups, searches, and quick checking. The hard version is great for settling down to study it.
Mar 20 2004
parent reply "Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:
"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:c3irca$2dak$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Andrew Edwards" <remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> wrote in message
 news:opr46oe9bfs6zaqn news.digitalmars.com...
 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer


 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in html
 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up a
 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly


 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and


 money will be someone else's problem).

Both have their place. The soft version is great for lookups, searches,

 quick checking. The hard version is great for settling down to study it.

I also find that when I am reading the hard version, my wife isnt nagging me for "sitting at the computer for hours" :o))
Mar 20 2004
parent reply "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> writes:
"Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> wrote in message
news:c3j361$2q8p$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:c3irca$2dak$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Andrew Edwards" <remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> wrote in message
 news:opr46oe9bfs6zaqn news.digitalmars.com...
 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer


 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in



 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick up



 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... Certainly


 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and


 money will be someone else's problem).

Both have their place. The soft version is great for lookups, searches,

 quick checking. The hard version is great for settling down to study it.

I also find that when I am reading the hard version, my wife isnt nagging me for "sitting at the computer for hours" :o))

You can't take a laptop in the bath, or standing up on a bus/train/tram/ferry, or while driving. I just hate e-books. :(
Mar 20 2004
next sibling parent reply "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> wrote in message
news:c3jf4j$bhp$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I also find that when I am reading the hard version,
 my wife isnt nagging me for "sitting at the computer for hours" :o))


Invite the guys over for beer, potato chips and an afternoon watching football instead :-)
 You can't take a laptop in the bath, or standing up on a
 bus/train/tram/ferry, or while driving.

I hope you're not reading a paperback while driving, we need you here in one piece <g>.
Mar 20 2004
parent "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> writes:
"Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:c3jhse$ff3$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> wrote in message
 news:c3jf4j$bhp$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 I also find that when I am reading the hard version,
 my wife isnt nagging me for "sitting at the computer for hours" :o))


Invite the guys over for beer, potato chips and an afternoon watching football instead :-)
 You can't take a laptop in the bath, or standing up on a
 bus/train/tram/ferry, or while driving.

I hope you're not reading a paperback while driving, we need you here in

 piece <g>.

I was practising my "exercise for the reader" techniques to see whether anyone was awake. <G>
Mar 21 2004
prev sibling parent "Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:
The coppers are worried about people
sending SMS's while driving, and you
are reading while driving?

LOL

Phill.


"Matthew" <matthew stlsoft.org> wrote in message
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 "Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> wrote in message
 news:c3j361$2q8p$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> wrote in message
 news:c3irca$2dak$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Andrew Edwards" <remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> wrote in message
 news:opr46oe9bfs6zaqn news.digitalmars.com...
 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer


 Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available in



 format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to pick




 a
 printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic books
 replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon...




 not
 in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long gone and


 money will be someone else's problem).

Both have their place. The soft version is great for lookups,



 and
 quick checking. The hard version is great for settling down to study




I also find that when I am reading the hard version, my wife isnt nagging me for "sitting at the computer for hours" :o))

You can't take a laptop in the bath, or standing up on a bus/train/tram/ferry, or while driving. I just hate e-books. :(

Mar 21 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent C <dont respond.com> writes:
Too true, I hate reading a book off the screen.  Plus theres something =

comforting about a physicall book.  I can't find myself getting excited =
to =

buy an ebook and sit at my desk ( where im at 9 hours out of the day =

anyway ) and read it.  I'm already excited about 'D in a nutshell' :).  =

( I hope they don't go with D in 24 hours / 24 days etc. :S )

C

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:19:47 -0500, Andrew Edwards =

<remove_ridimz remove_yahoo.com> wrote:

 On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:13:55 +1100, Phill <phill pacific.net.au> wrote=

 If you make an E Book, it is going to be more or less free to a lot o=


 people anyway.
 With these file swapping programs around now, it  would be make it ha=


 to
 make any money on
 the net.

 Phill.

A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer =

 screen. Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely availab=

 in html format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to=

 pick up a printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic =

 books replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... =

 Certainly not in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be lon=

 gone and making money will be someone else's problem).

 Andrew

-- = D Newsgroup.
Mar 20 2004
prev sibling next sibling parent J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:
Andrew Edwards wrote:

 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer 
 screen. Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely 
 available in html format, but as soon as they are published, millions 
 run out to pick up a printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see 
 electronic books replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time 
 soon... Certainly not in my generation (at the end of which Walter 
 will be long gone and making money will be someone else's problem).

 Andrew

true, also I think reading off the screen has proven to be slower (about 40% slower). -- -Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/
Mar 20 2004
prev sibling parent roland <--rv ronetech.com> writes:
Andrew Edwards a écrit :
 A great many people are uncomfortable with reading from a computer 
 screen. Take a look on at Bruce Eckel's books. They are freely available 
 in html format, but as soon as they are published, millions run out to 
 pick up a printed copy. I won't say never, but I don't see electronic 
 books replacing the traditional ink&paper medium any time soon... 
 Certainly not in my generation (at the end of which Walter will be long 
 gone and making money will be someone else's problem).
 
 Andrew

Remember this one ? news://news.digitalmars.com:119/am636v$ii3$1 digitaldaemon.com [QUOTE] -------- Original Message -------- Objet: off topic Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:14:55 +0000 (UTC) De: bw Société: [http://www.pathlink.com] Forums: c++ Introducing the new Bio-Optic Organized Knowledge device, trade-named: BOOK. BOOK is a revolutionary breakthrough in technology: no wires, no electric circuits, no batteries, nothing to be connected or switched on. It's so easy to use, even a child can operate it. Compact and portable, it can be used anywhere-even sitting in an armchair by the fire -- yet it is powerful enough to hold as much information as a CD-ROM disc. Here's how it works: BOOK is constructed of sequentially numbered sheets of paper (recyclable), each capable of holding thousands of bits of information. The pages are locked together with a custom-fit device called a binder which keeps the sheets in their correct sequence. Opaque Paper Technology (OPT) allows manufacturers to use both sides of the sheet, doubling the information density and cutting costs. Each sheet is scanned optically, registering information directly into your brain. A flick of the finger takes you to the next sheet. BOOK may be taken up at any time and used merely by opening it. BOOK never crashes or requires re-booting. The "browse" feature allows you to move instantly to any sheet, and move forward or backward as you wish. Many come with an "index" feature, which pin-points the exact location of any selected information for instant retrieval. An optional "BOOKmark" accessory allows you to open BOOK to the exact place you left it in a previous session - even if the BOOK has been closed. BOOKmarks fit universal design standards; thus a single BOOKmark can be used in BOOKs by various manufacturers. Conversely, numerous BOOKmarkers can be used in a single BOOK if the user wants to store numerous views at once. The number is limited only by the number of pages in the BOOK. You can also make personal notes next to BOOK text entries with an operational programming tool, the Portable Erasable Nib Cryptic Intercommunication Language Stylus (PENCILS). Portable, durable, and affordable, BOOK is being hailed as a precursor of a new entertainment wave. Also, BOOK's appeal seems so certain that thousands of content creators have committed to the platform and investors are reportedly flocking. Look for a flood of new titles soon. [/QUOTE]
Apr 22 2004
prev sibling parent "Walter" <walter digitalmars.com> writes:
"Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> wrote in message
news:c3ic6h$1ka6$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 If you make an E Book, it is going to be more or less free to a lot of
 people anyway.
 With these file swapping programs around now, it  would be make it hard to
 make any money on
 the net.

I have no interest whatsoever in ebooks and their DRM. If we do an online version, it will be either html or pdf. I prefer html.
Mar 20 2004
prev sibling parent Ilya Minkov <minkov cs.tum.edu> writes:
Walter schrieb:
 I just posted it here: www.digitalmars.com/d/sdwest/index.html

Wonderful. It would be also interesting to read the questions from the public and the answers. -eye
Mar 20 2004