D - new D newsgroups
- "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> Apr 26 2004
- "Carlos Santander B." <carlos8294 msn.com> Apr 26 2004
- "Carlos Santander B." <carlos8294 msn.com> Apr 26 2004
- Jan Knepper <jan smartsoft.us> Apr 26 2004
- "Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> Apr 26 2004
- "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> Apr 26 2004
- "AJ" <aj nospam.net> Nov 21 2009
- Norbert Nemec <Norbert.Nemec gmx.de> Apr 26 2004
- "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> Apr 26 2004
- David Friedman <d3rdclsmail earthlink.net> Apr 28 2004
- "Marc" <mcote333 sympatico.ca> Apr 27 2004
- Brad Anderson <brad sankaty.dot.com> Apr 27 2004
- "Marc" <mcote333 sympatico.ca> Apr 27 2004
- Brad Anderson <brad dsource.dot.org> Apr 27 2004
- Norbert Nemec <Norbert.Nemec gmx.de> Apr 29 2004
- J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> Apr 29 2004
- John Reimer <brk_6502 NOSP_AM.yahoo.com> May 04 2004
- Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> May 05 2004
- John Reimer <brk_6502 NOSP_AM.yahoo.com> May 08 2004
- "AJ" <aj nospam.net> Nov 21 2009
- "AJ" <aj nospam.net> Nov 21 2009
It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here propagated is they have to be renamed. "D" just wasn't unique enough <g>. But renaming the D newsgroup will screw up a lot of things. So, two new newsgroups have been created: digitalmars.D digitalmars.D.bugs In digitalmars.D.bugs should go bug reports and followups to them. Please don't put in here questions about D, or proposed new features, etc. It should be bug reports only, which will make it much easier for people to peruse to see if they are experiencing a reported bug or not. In digitalmars.D should go everything else about D that formerly went into the D newsgroup. For ongoing existing threads in the D newsgroup, continue posting in D but please just add digitalmars.D to the newsgroup list it will be posted to. The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g> that would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire the group and b) it will be indexed by Google. Thanks, -Walter
Apr 26 2004
"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:c6k7pr$20qs$1 digitaldaemon.com | It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here propagated | is they have to be renamed. "D" just wasn't unique enough <g>. But renaming | the D newsgroup will screw up a lot of things. So, two new newsgroups have | been created: | | digitalmars.D | digitalmars.D.bugs | | In digitalmars.D.bugs should go bug reports and followups to them. Please | don't put in here questions about D, or proposed new features, etc. It | should be bug reports only, which will make it much easier for people to | peruse to see if they are experiencing a reported bug or not. | | In digitalmars.D should go everything else about D that formerly went into | the D newsgroup. | | For ongoing existing threads in the D newsgroup, continue posting in D but | please just add digitalmars.D to the newsgroup list it will be posted to. | | The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some | software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g> that | would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire | the group and b) it will be indexed by Google. | | Thanks, | -Walter I guess you and Jan are the ones to thank. Hey! First one to post here! Yay! ----------------------- Carlos Santander Bernal
Apr 26 2004
"Carlos Santander B." <carlos8294 msn.com> "Carlos Santander B." <carlos8294 msn.com> wrote in message news:c6k8pj$22f4$1 digitaldaemon.com | | I guess you and Jan are the ones to thank. | Hey! First one to post here! Yay! | ... besides Walter and Jan, that is. ----------------------- Carlos Santander Bernal
Apr 26 2004
Walter wrote:The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g> that would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire the group and b) it will be indexed by Google.
The articles are convertable, it is just a LOT of work. When Linda is in Vegas/Mexico by the end of next month I might get to it. Thanks! Jan -- ManiaC++ Jan Knepper But as for me and my household, we shall use Mozilla... www.mozilla.org
Apr 26 2004
Why does the original D have to die (or be ignored)? I don't get it. It seems like a mistake to me. "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message news:c6k7pr$20qs$1 digitaldaemon.com...It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here propagated is they have to be renamed. "D" just wasn't unique enough <g>. But renaming the D newsgroup will screw up a lot of things. So, two new newsgroups have been created: digitalmars.D digitalmars.D.bugs In digitalmars.D.bugs should go bug reports and followups to them. Please don't put in here questions about D, or proposed new features, etc. It should be bug reports only, which will make it much easier for people to peruse to see if they are experiencing a reported bug or not. In digitalmars.D should go everything else about D that formerly went into the D newsgroup. For ongoing existing threads in the D newsgroup, continue posting in D but please just add digitalmars.D to the newsgroup list it will be posted to. The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g> that would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire the group and b) it will be indexed by Google. Thanks, -Walter
Apr 26 2004
"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message news:c6kf86$2d9r$1 digitaldaemon.com...Why does the original D have to die (or be ignored)? I don't get it. It
like a mistake to me.
Because with a one letter name for the forum, it will never get propagated and (as far as I can tell) google will not index it. It's normal practice in the industry to prefix the company name to private newsgroups, and then sometimes others will pick them up and propagate them. Some examples are: microsoft.* borland.* openwatcom.* etc. Basically, it's being a good news citizen to name them this way.
Apr 26 2004
Walter wrote:"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message news:c6kf86$2d9r$1 digitaldaemon.com...Why does the original D have to die (or be ignored)? I don't get it. It seems like a mistake to me.
Because with a one letter name for the forum, it will never get propagated and (as far as I can tell) google will not index it. It's normal practice in the industry to prefix the company name to private newsgroups, and then sometimes others will pick them up and propagate them. Some examples are: microsoft.* borland.* openwatcom.* etc. Basically, it's being a good news citizen to name them this way.
Walter D: going for volume marketing and sheeple appeal? And what about those wayyyy over-priced conferences of yours? Would do the participants do better with my suggestions for best compiler books? Or giving you boku money? What were you thinking dude? How important do you think you are? Don't disquise your need as value when it is a charity event. Get some humility, bitch.
Nov 21 2009
What about D.gnu? Most appropriate place might be gnu.gdc, but: is the gdc a official GNU project or does it just use the gcc as backend? It would be reasonable to think about making it an official GNU project. GNU has a few conditions for projects that are to become part of GNU, but I believe it would be the right step. Up to the decision of David, of course. The considerations about the naming of the newsgroup should probably be stalled until this is cleared up. Walter wrote:It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here propagated is they have to be renamed. "D" just wasn't unique enough <g>. But renaming the D newsgroup will screw up a lot of things. So, two new newsgroups have been created: digitalmars.D digitalmars.D.bugs In digitalmars.D.bugs should go bug reports and followups to them. Please don't put in here questions about D, or proposed new features, etc. It should be bug reports only, which will make it much easier for people to peruse to see if they are experiencing a reported bug or not. In digitalmars.D should go everything else about D that formerly went into the D newsgroup. For ongoing existing threads in the D newsgroup, continue posting in D but please just add digitalmars.D to the newsgroup list it will be posted to. The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g> that would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire the group and b) it will be indexed by Google. Thanks, -Walter
Apr 26 2004
I'd like gdc to become an official GNU project, which is why I did hold off on renaming it. "Norbert Nemec" <Norbert.Nemec gmx.de> wrote in message news:c6kspi$3dh$1 digitaldaemon.com...What about D.gnu? Most appropriate place might be gnu.gdc, but: is the gdc
official GNU project or does it just use the gcc as backend? It would be reasonable to think about making it an official GNU project.
has a few conditions for projects that are to become part of GNU, but I believe it would be the right step. Up to the decision of David, of
The considerations about the naming of the newsgroup should probably be stalled until this is cleared up.
Apr 26 2004
It's not an official project yet. At the very least, I have to reformat the source code to the GNU style ;-). I do plan on submitting it when it becomes stable. David Norbert Nemec wrote:What about D.gnu? Most appropriate place might be gnu.gdc, but: is the gdc a official GNU project or does it just use the gcc as backend? It would be reasonable to think about making it an official GNU project. GNU has a few conditions for projects that are to become part of GNU, but I believe it would be the right step. Up to the decision of David, of course. The considerations about the naming of the newsgroup should probably be stalled until this is cleared up. Walter wrote:It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here propagated is they have to be renamed. "D" just wasn't unique enough <g>. But renaming the D newsgroup will screw up a lot of things. So, two new newsgroups have been created: digitalmars.D digitalmars.D.bugs In digitalmars.D.bugs should go bug reports and followups to them. Please don't put in here questions about D, or proposed new features, etc. It should be bug reports only, which will make it much easier for people to peruse to see if they are experiencing a reported bug or not. In digitalmars.D should go everything else about D that formerly went into the D newsgroup. For ongoing existing threads in the D newsgroup, continue posting in D but please just add digitalmars.D to the newsgroup list it will be posted to. The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g> that would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire the group and b) it will be indexed by Google. Thanks, -Walter
Apr 28 2004
"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wroteThe old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g>
would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire the group and b) it will be indexed by Google.
Ok, half-way there. What is done: Downlaoded 28647 messages Verified that there is no duplicates Message-ID each message converted to 1 .eml file (using dbxconv, found on the net) each eml file converted to 1 html file (using eml2html.c, which i created for this task) To do: linking them producing an index by date, thread, ... use a style sheet for the presentation better presentation (Color, Font, ...) What to do with attachements 3 files cannot be opened - to be fixed besides From, Date and Subject, want to use other fields ? Walter: I took the liberty to reuse your logo just keep a look similar to your site. The program ( eml2html.c ) is GNU Please give your comments and ideas. Who will hosts the 30000 html files ? Marc
Apr 27 2004
Marc wrote:"Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> wroteThe old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g>
thatwould be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire the group and b) it will be indexed by Google.
Ok, half-way there.
Sounds good. Also, is there a chance that you could slightly modify the converter tool so that email addresses could be mangled a bit so that spam-bots don't come through and harvest all of the addresses? BAWhat is done: Downlaoded 28647 messages Verified that there is no duplicates Message-ID each message converted to 1 .eml file (using dbxconv, found on the net) each eml file converted to 1 html file (using eml2html.c, which i created for this task) To do: linking them producing an index by date, thread, ... use a style sheet for the presentation better presentation (Color, Font, ...) What to do with attachements 3 files cannot be opened - to be fixed besides From, Date and Subject, want to use other fields ? Walter: I took the liberty to reuse your logo just keep a look similar to your site. The program ( eml2html.c ) is GNU Please give your comments and ideas. Who will hosts the 30000 html files ? Marc
Apr 27 2004
Sounds good. Also, is there a chance that you could slightly modify the converter tool so that email addresses could be mangled a bit so that spam-bots don't come through and harvest all of the addresses?
Yes. Is "brad[AT]sankaty{DOT}dot{DOT}com" mangled enough ? Another way is to simply removed all email adresses. Marc
Apr 27 2004
Marc wrote:Sounds good. Also, is there a chance that you could slightly modify the converter tool so that email addresses could be mangled a bit so that spam-bots don't come through and harvest all of the addresses?
Yes. Is "brad[AT]sankaty{DOT}dot{DOT}com" mangled enough ?
That should be fine. I already did a bit of mangling, but others haven't.Another way is to simply removed all email adresses.
I think leaving them is probably better, because you can then track the person down if you want to ask them a question about the post. Make sense? Thanks for this effort !! BA
Apr 27 2004
How about trying to fade out the use of the old group as fast as possible? How about sending an automatic daily message to the old list telling people no to post any new threads there and move to the new list instead. Walter wrote:It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here propagated is they have to be renamed. "D" just wasn't unique enough <g>. But renaming the D newsgroup will screw up a lot of things. So, two new newsgroups have been created: digitalmars.D digitalmars.D.bugs In digitalmars.D.bugs should go bug reports and followups to them. Please don't put in here questions about D, or proposed new features, etc. It should be bug reports only, which will make it much easier for people to peruse to see if they are experiencing a reported bug or not. In digitalmars.D should go everything else about D that formerly went into the D newsgroup. For ongoing existing threads in the D newsgroup, continue posting in D but please just add digitalmars.D to the newsgroup list it will be posted to. The old D newsgroup will remain. If someone is willing to write some software that would convert it to a linked set of 40,000 html pages <g> that would be cool. Anyone up for that? Doing that would mean we can a) retire the group and b) it will be indexed by Google. Thanks, -Walter
Apr 29 2004
Norbert Nemec wrote:How about trying to fade out the use of the old group as fast as possible? How about sending an automatic daily message to the old list telling people no to post any new threads there and move to the new list instead.
newsgroup by d.d -- -Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/
Apr 29 2004
Norbert Nemec wrote:How about trying to fade out the use of the old group as fast as possible? How about sending an automatic daily message to the old list telling people no to post any new threads there and move to the new list instead.
I think what almost has to be done (eventually) is disable posting to the newsgroup. It could remain read only. Those that do post to the newsgroup could receive an immediate return mail telling them that the newsgroup is no longer available for posting. The message would refer them to the new newsgroup. I don't know how hard it would be to implement this, though.
May 04 2004
John Reimer wrote: <snip>I think what almost has to be done (eventually) is disable posting to the newsgroup. It could remain read only. Those that do post to the newsgroup could receive an immediate return mail telling them that the newsgroup is no longer available for posting.
Immediate return _mail_? You mean a simple server error wouldn't get through? The inefficiency of trying to mail attempted posters'll be obvious if you've ever posted under an anti-spam (either munged or container) address. Stewart. -- My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox, aside from its being the unfortunate victim of intensive mail-bombing at the moment. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit.
May 05 2004
Stewart Gordon wrote:John Reimer wrote: <snip>I think what almost has to be done (eventually) is disable posting to the newsgroup. It could remain read only. Those that do post to the newsgroup could receive an immediate return mail telling them that the newsgroup is no longer available for posting.
Immediate return _mail_? You mean a simple server error wouldn't get through? The inefficiency of trying to mail attempted posters'll be obvious if you've ever posted under an anti-spam (either munged or container) address. Stewart.
Of course you're right... I'm afraid I never thought much deeper than 2 centimeters on that one.
May 08 2004
Walter wrote:It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here propagated is they have to be renamed.
Ah, mass-marketing. A sign of a dead company. Rember Borland? Walter, surely you can relate. Borland circa 1993. Continued the downhill for 2 decades. Are you on the same path? OK, no more consulting for D. That's all I have to say. Good luck. Don't kill yourself or anyone else. When you are ready to shut down this IT project gone awry, you can throw me a million dollars and show you how to make money from the ashes. (I am sooo bad!!!)
Nov 21 2009
AJ wrote:Walter wrote:It turns out, that the first step in getting the newsgroups here propagated is they have to be renamed.
Ah, mass-marketing. A sign of a dead company. Rember Borland? Walter, surely you can relate. Borland circa 1993. Continued the downhill for 2 decades. Are you on the same path? OK, no more consulting for D. That's all I have to say. Good luck. Don't kill yourself or anyone else. When you are ready to shut down this IT project gone awry, you can throw me a million dollars and show you how to make money from the ashes. (I am sooo bad!!!)
I'm serious this time: no more consulting to Mr. D.
Nov 21 2009