D - Splitting the newsgroup (finally!) in respect of the increased traffic load

I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the volume, and
I
know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler updates
<G>
because of it.

I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
D.newbies and D.bugs groups.

Votes?

For
---

Matthew

Against
-------

Apr 21 2004

J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:

Matthew wrote:

I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the volume, and
I
know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler updates
<G>
because of it.

I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
D.newbies and D.bugs groups.

Votes?

For
---
  


170 emails in half a day...

Matthew

Against
-------
  




-- 
-Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/

Apr 21 2004

J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> writes:

J Anderson wrote:
 Matthew wrote:
 
 I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the 
 volume, and I
 know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler 
 updates <G>
 because of it.

 I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should 
 have
 D.newbies and D.bugs groups.

 Votes?

 For
 ---
  


 170 emails in half a day...


J C Calvarese - I think the volume is stifling discussion.

 
 Matthew

 Against
 -------






-- 
Justin
http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/

Apr 21 2004

J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:

Matthew wrote:

I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the volume, and
I
know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler updates
<G>
because of it.

I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
D.newbies and D.bugs groups.
  


I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many 
bug-reports.  Parhaps
D.feature
D.newbies
D.bugs

or just D.feature and D.newbies

-- 
-Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/

Apr 21 2004

J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:

J Anderson wrote:

 I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many 
 bug-reports.  Parhaps
 D.feature
 D.newbies
 D.bugs

 or just D.feature and D.newbies

I would suggest something more like "D.howto" and "D.bugs".  If you say
newbie, some people will not go there because "they aren't newbies" even if
they fully intend to ask a newbie question.
  




Now that I think of it a bugs group would be good (you could search it for
common bugs).  
Parhaps bugs could mean -this doesn't work- as well.  That is not just compiler
bugs.  But that may cross the borders of how to.  

*Slightly off topic* It would be good if all error messages had a code.  Then
each bug code could be include in the subject line (a convention).


-- 
-Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/

Apr 21 2004

"Unknown W. Brackets" <unknown at.simplemachines.dot.org> writes:

"J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> wrote in message
news:c66u2g$2kug$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 J Anderson wrote:

 Good idea!


Thanks.  Every once and again I manage one.

 Now that I think of it a bugs group would be good (you could search it for


 Parhaps bugs could mean -this doesn't work- as well.  That is not just



That's a good point.  Legitamize use of bugs for user bugs as well, and it
might go better and cause less headaches.  However, if it is left as bugs...
"feature" might be good to sort out feature requests - that way you could
look to see if it was already requested.

 *Slightly off topic* It would be good if all error messages had a code.



That could be quite useful.

Reminds me - the compiler isn't translatable at all, is it?  It would be
great if you could use an import (or .h file...) for all language entries,
and freely distribute that so localized compilers can be made for Spanish,
German, etc.

With this, adding tags to the error codes would not be as arduous - all the
strings would just be in that file.

-[Unknown]

Apr 21 2004

J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:

Unknown W. Brackets wrote:

 Then each bug code could be include in the subject line (a convention).

That could be quite useful.

Reminds me - the compiler isn't translatable at all, is it?  It would be
great if you could use an import (or .h file...) for all language entries,
and freely distribute that so localized compilers can be made for Spanish,
German, etc.

With this, adding tags to the error codes would not be as arduous - all the
strings would just be in that file.

-[Unknown]
  


Well for C++ I always search google groups by the code.  Users could 
also browse the codes already there and not need to post if the solution 
is already there.

-- 
-Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/

Apr 21 2004

"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:

"J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> wrote in message
news:c66u2g$2kug$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 J Anderson wrote:

 I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many
 bug-reports.  Parhaps
 D.feature
 D.newbies
 D.bugs

 or just D.feature and D.newbies

I would suggest something more like "D.howto" and "D.bugs".  If you say
newbie, some people will not go there because "they aren't newbies" even if
they fully intend to ask a newbie question.




 Now that I think of it a bugs group would be good (you could search it for


 Parhaps bugs could mean -this doesn't work- as well.  That is not just compiler


 *Slightly off topic* It would be good if all error messages had a code.  Then



Excellent point!! (Also need line numbers with every msg)

Apr 21 2004

J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> writes:

J Anderson wrote:
 Matthew wrote:
 
 I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the 
 volume, and I
 know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler 
 updates <G>
 because of it.

 I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should 
 have
 D.newbies and D.bugs groups.
  


 I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many 
 bug-reports.  Parhaps
 D.feature
 D.newbies
 D.bugs
 
 or just D.feature and D.newbies


or just D.feature and D.bugs

I'm still optimistic that the newbie "problem" could be alleviated by 
some better web pages. Instead of just listing the newsgroup on the 
front page of the Spec (http://www.digitalmars.com/d/intro.html), the 
FAQs could be mentioned in the same paragraph, such as PLEASE CHECK THE 
F.A.Q.s BEFORE YOU POST!!!

-- 
Justin
http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/

Apr 21 2004

J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:

J C Calvarese wrote:

 J Anderson wrote:

 Matthew wrote:

 I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the 
 volume, and I
 know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly 
 compiler updates <G>
 because of it.

 I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we 
 should have
 D.newbies and D.bugs groups.
  


 I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many 
 bug-reports.  Parhaps
 D.feature
 D.newbies
 D.bugs

 or just D.feature and D.newbies



 or just D.feature and D.bugs

 I'm still optimistic that the newbie "problem" could be alleviated by 
 some better web pages. Instead of just listing the newsgroup on the 
 front page of the Spec (http://www.digitalmars.com/d/intro.html), the 
 FAQs could be mentioned in the same paragraph, such as PLEASE CHECK 
 THE F.A.Q.s BEFORE YOU POST!!!


D.problems.

Another name alternative noob name .... D.help.

-- 
-Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/

Apr 21 2004

"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:

"J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> wrote in message
news:c66ud0$2kug$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 J C Calvarese wrote:

 J Anderson wrote:

 Matthew wrote:

 I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the
 volume, and I
 know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly
 compiler updates <G>
 because of it.

 I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we
 should have
 D.newbies and D.bugs groups.


 I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many
 bug-reports.  Parhaps
 D.feature
 D.newbies
 D.bugs

 or just D.feature and D.newbies



 or just D.feature and D.bugs

 I'm still optimistic that the newbie "problem" could be alleviated by
 some better web pages. Instead of just listing the newsgroup on the
 front page of the Spec (http://www.digitalmars.com/d/intro.html), the
 FAQs could be mentioned in the same paragraph, such as PLEASE CHECK
 THE F.A.Q.s BEFORE YOU POST!!!


 D.problems.

 Another name alternative noob name .... D.help.


d.intro

Apr 21 2004

Ilya Minkov <minkov cs.tum.edu> writes:

Matthew schrieb:
 d.intro


d.invtro, d.intro, d.demo, d.outro

-eye

Apr 22 2004

"Unknown W. Brackets" <unknown at.simplemachines.dot.org> writes:

"J C Calvarese" <jcc7 cox.net> wrote in message
news:c66u3s$2l13$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 the FAQs could be mentioned in the same paragraph, such as PLEASE CHECK


 F.A.Q.s BEFORE YOU POST!!!


This is, of course, the downside to newsgroups, because you cannot have
"rules" - although no one reads them anyway.  Nor would they in this case.

-[Unknown]

Apr 21 2004

J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> writes:

Unknown W. Brackets wrote:

 "J C Calvarese" <jcc7 cox.net> wrote in message
 news:c66u3s$2l13$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 
the FAQs could be mentioned in the same paragraph, such as PLEASE CHECK


 THE
 
F.A.Q.s BEFORE YOU POST!!!


 
 This is, of course, the downside to newsgroups, because you cannot have
 "rules" - although no one reads them anyway.  Nor would they in this case.
 
 -[Unknown]


That's right. But people are finding out about the newsgroup somehow. 
I'm guessing it's from the Digital Mars website. They may choose to 
ignore the BOLD text. But I can dream . . .

<random brilliant idea>
On the other hand, we could shut down the newsgroup and all go to a 
forum where we wouldn't let anyone post without registering first.
</random brilliant idea>

Any case, I'm just throwing out ideas. Walter's vote is worth a lot more 
than mine.

-- 
Justin
http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/

Apr 21 2004

"Unknown W. Brackets" <unknown at.simplemachines.dot.org> writes:

"J C Calvarese" <jcc7 cox.net> wrote in message
news:c66vp3$2mbs$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 <random brilliant idea>
 On the other hand, we could shut down the newsgroup and all go to a
 forum where we wouldn't let anyone post without registering first.
 </random brilliant idea>


Well, considering I write forum software (www.simplemachines.org) this would
of course be something I think would solve problems, but it also could
increase load, bandwidth, etc.

Of course, with that people still don't read things - but sometimes you do
get lucky, and moderation is easier ;).

-[Unknown]

Apr 21 2004

J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:

Unknown W. Brackets wrote:

"J C Calvarese" <jcc7 cox.net> wrote in message
news:c66vp3$2mbs$2 digitaldaemon.com...
  

<random brilliant idea>
On the other hand, we could shut down the newsgroup and all go to a
forum where we wouldn't let anyone post without registering first.
</random brilliant idea>
    


Well, considering I write forum software (www.simplemachines.org) this would
of course be something I think would solve problems, but it also could
increase load, bandwidth, etc.
  


threaded-forum (that is better then the one on digitalmars)?

Of course, with that people still don't read things - but sometimes you do
get lucky, and moderation is easier ;).

-[Unknown]


-- 
-Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/

Apr 21 2004

"Unknown W. Brackets" <unknown at.simplemachines.dot.org> writes:

J Anderson wrote:

 I don't suppose there's a way to mirror a newsgroup like this in a 
 threaded-forum (that is better then the one on digitalmars)?


I'm not sure if there is, but I would expect there is.  An example of an 
implementation I've seen is this:

http://news.php.net/

But of course it has no searching tool.... this is something that cannot 
be done well without proper database, indexing, etc.  What might be 
possible is to mirror the messages, but then advanced moderation and 
editing tools would be... problematic.

-[Unknown]

Apr 21 2004

"Kris" <someidiot earthlink.dot.dot.dot.net> writes:

"J C Calvarese" <jcc7 cox.net> wrote in message
news:c66vp3$2mbs$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 <random brilliant idea>
 On the other hand, we could shut down the newsgroup and all go to a
 forum where we wouldn't let anyone post without registering first.
 </random brilliant idea>


Well, we should perhaps offload some of this to dsource.org ...

Apr 21 2004

Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <c67023$2o6a$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Kris says...
"J C Calvarese" <jcc7 cox.net> wrote in message
news:c66vp3$2mbs$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 <random brilliant idea>
 On the other hand, we could shut down the newsgroup and all go to a
 forum where we wouldn't let anyone post without registering first.
 </random brilliant idea>


Well, we should perhaps offload some of this to dsource.org ...


the dsource.org forums are unreadable.

Ant

Apr 21 2004

J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> writes:

Ant wrote:
 In article <c67023$2o6a$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Kris says...
 
"J C Calvarese" <jcc7 cox.net> wrote in message
news:c66vp3$2mbs$2 digitaldaemon.com...

<random brilliant idea>
On the other hand, we could shut down the newsgroup and all go to a
forum where we wouldn't let anyone post without registering first.
</random brilliant idea>


Well, we should perhaps offload some of this to dsource.org ...


 Please don't!
 the dsource.org forums are unreadable.
 
 Ant


How are they "unreadable"?

And there's a search function. That's more than the web interface can claim.

-- 
Justin
http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/

Apr 21 2004

J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:

J C Calvarese wrote:

 Please don't!
 the dsource.org forums are unreadable.

 Ant



 How are they "unreadable"?

 And there's a search function. That's more than the web interface can 
 claim.


I know what you mean, but here's my 2cents anyway.  With all the forums 
I've tried they:
1) are slower then a newsgroup (because it's a webpage of course)
2) don't show as many entries at once.  It would be very hard to view 
the entire D newsgroup quickly as you'd have to keep clicking and 
clicking. (Sometimes you don't want to use find, you just want to browse).

I think forums are good for small groups but not for large ones.

-- 
-Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/

Apr 21 2004

"Unknown W. Brackets" <unknown at.simplemachines.dot.org> writes:

J Anderson wrote:

 J C Calvarese wrote:
 
 Please don't!
 the dsource.org forums are unreadable.

 Ant




 How are they "unreadable"?

 And there's a search function. That's more than the web interface can 
 claim.


 
 I know what you mean, but here's my 2cents anyway.  With all the forums 
 I've tried they:
 1) are slower then a newsgroup (because it's a webpage of course)
 2) don't show as many entries at once.  It would be very hard to view 
 the entire D newsgroup quickly as you'd have to keep clicking and 
 clicking. (Sometimes you don't want to use find, you just want to browse).
 
 I think forums are good for small groups but not for large ones.
 


These are specifically problems with threaded forums, because the way of 
doing it can just be... slower.  This is one of the reasons for more 
flat forum systems.

-[Unknown]

Apr 21 2004

Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <c67533$30e8$1 digitaldaemon.com>, J Anderson says...
J C Calvarese wrote:

 Please don't!
 the dsource.org forums are unreadable.

 Ant



 How are they "unreadable"?

 And there's a search function. That's more than the web interface can 
 claim.


I know what you mean, but here's my 2cents anyway.  With all the forums 
I've tried they:
1) are slower then a newsgroup (because it's a webpage of course)
2) don't show as many entries at once.  It would be very hard to view 
the entire D newsgroup quickly as you'd have to keep clicking and 
clicking. (Sometimes you don't want to use find, you just want to browse).

I think forums are good for small groups but not for large ones.


They lack a simple list of the post headers.

Ant
PS yes I posted this twice

Apr 21 2004

Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <c674a6$2uva$1 digitaldaemon.com>, J C Calvarese says...
Ant wrote:
 In article <c67023$2o6a$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Kris says...
 
"J C Calvarese" <jcc7 cox.net> wrote in message
news:c66vp3$2mbs$2 digitaldaemon.com...

<random brilliant idea>
On the other hand, we could shut down the newsgroup and all go to a
forum where we wouldn't let anyone post without registering first.
</random brilliant idea>


Well, we should perhaps offload some of this to dsource.org ...


 Please don't!
 the dsource.org forums are unreadable.
 
 Ant


How are they "unreadable"?

And there's a search function. That's more than the web interface can claim.


that's good, but.

They lack a simple list of the post headers.

Ant
PS yes I posted this twice

Apr 21 2004

"Unknown W. Brackets" <unknown at.simplemachines.dot.org> writes:

Ant wrote:

 They lack a simple list of the post headers.


Do they, then?

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=8378.0

This is a post by me.  As you can see, it has:
   - my name, and a link to get more information on me.
   - my position and some basic information about me.
   - ways of contacting me such as email, personal message, instant 
message handles, etc.
   - a link to my website.

As well, administrators can see IPs.  I don't see where any of the 
information you'd want in the headers of newgroups is missing from here.

Most other forums provide similar amounts of information.  Further, this 
information - including the signature - can automatically update when 
you change it.  If you change the URL to your website because your host 
dropped you, there won't be a zillion dead links laying everywhere on 
the forum.

-[Unknown]

Apr 21 2004

"Kris" <someidiot earthlink.dot.dot.dot.net> writes:

it might be worthwhile specifically calling out something like
"compiler.bugs" and "code.bugs". Sure, there will be some overlap, but
hopefully it would be relatively easy for most folks to distinguish between
the two.

At least "code.bugs" will be listed before "compiler .bugs" (alphabetically)
so it may soak up some newbie stuff.

- Kris


"J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> wrote in message
news:c66t9a$2ivr$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 Matthew wrote:

I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the




know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler




because of it.

I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should




D.newbies and D.bugs groups.


 I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many
 bug-reports.  Parhaps
 D.feature
 D.newbies
 D.bugs

 or just D.feature and D.newbies

 --
 -Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/

Apr 21 2004

J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> writes:

Kris wrote:
 it might be worthwhile specifically calling out something like
 "compiler.bugs" and "code.bugs". Sure, there will be some overlap, but
 hopefully it would be relatively easy for most folks to distinguish between
 the two.
 
 At least "code.bugs" will be listed before "compiler .bugs" (alphabetically)
 so it may soak up some newbie stuff.


Like compile-time vs. run-time?

 
 - Kris
 
 
 "J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> wrote in message
 news:c66t9a$2ivr$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 
Matthew wrote:


I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the




 volume, and I
 
know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler




 updates <G>
 
because of it.

I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should




 have
 
D.newbies and D.bugs groups.


I don't know about these group names.  I mean I don't seen to many
bug-reports.  Parhaps
D.feature
D.newbies
D.bugs

or just D.feature and D.newbies

--
-Anderson: http://badmama.com.au/~anderson/





-- 
Justin
http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/

Apr 21 2004

"Kris" <someidiot earthlink.dot.dot.dot.net> writes:

"J C Calvarese" <jcc7 cox.net> wrote in message
news:c66vr4$2mbs$3 digitaldaemon.com...
 Like compile-time vs. run-time?


I meant "how-to fix my program" versus "the compiler generated bogus code".

It's way, way too easy to read different meanings into short names, isn't it
:-)

Apr 21 2004

J C Calvarese <jcc7 cox.net> writes:

Kris wrote:
 "J C Calvarese" <jcc7 cox.net> wrote in message
 news:c66vr4$2mbs$3 digitaldaemon.com...
 
Like compile-time vs. run-time?


 
 I meant "how-to fix my program" versus "the compiler generated bogus code".


Ok, I get it.

 
 It's way, way too easy to read different meanings into short names, isn't it
 :-)


Maybe. It also could be that my eyes are crossed from trying to read all 
of these messages that suddenly appeared in the newsgroup.

-- 
Justin
http://jcc_7.tripod.com/d/

Apr 21 2004

"Unknown W. Brackets" <unknown at.simplemachines.dot.org> writes:

"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message
news:c66s9i$2hv9$3 digitaldaemon.com...
 I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the


 know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler


 because of it.

 I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
 D.newbies and D.bugs groups.


I would suggest something more like "D.howto" and "D.bugs".  If you say
newbie, some people will not go there because "they aren't newbies" even if
they fully intend to ask a newbie question.

Bugs can be problematic in any form, because it will be used for support as
well... like, bugs in their own code.  I've seen it too often.... but it may
not be avoidable.  Maybe dev would fix that, but it also causes other
problems...

Either way, assuming my vote counts, I agree it should be split up.

Note: just saw "What groups?" by "J Anderson".  It might be best to continue
related discussion there...

-[Unknown]

Apr 21 2004

Ant <Ant_member pathlink.com> writes:

In article <c66s9i$2hv9$3 digitaldaemon.com>, Matthew says...
D.newbies and D.bugs groups.


I would suggest a fourth one "D.apps.devel"
(and later D.apps.announce)

Votes:

For
---

Matthew
Ant

Against
-------

Apr 21 2004

Stephan Wienczny <wienczny web.de> writes:

Matthew wrote:

 I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the volume,
and I
 know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler updates
<G>
 because of it.
 
 I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
 D.newbies and D.bugs groups.
 
 Votes?
 
 For
 ---
 
 Matthew


 
 Against
 -------
 
 


newbies won't asked there if it has that name. Call it D.questions or D.help

Apr 21 2004

"C. Sauls" <ibisbasenji yahoo.com> writes:

 For
 ---

 Matthew




 Against
 -------




And I agree with the 'd.help' name as opposed to 'd.newbies' and its ilk.

-C. Sauls
-Invironz

Apr 21 2004

"Carlos Santander B." <carlos8294 msn.com> writes:

"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message
news:c66s9i$2hv9$3 digitaldaemon.com
| I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the
volume, and I
| know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler
updates <G>
| because of it.
|
| I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
| D.newbies and D.bugs groups.
|
| Votes?
|
| For
| ---
|
| Matthew
|

[adding previous ones]
J Anderson
J C Calvarese
Unknown
Ant
Stephan Wienczny
C. Sauls
Carlos Santander

| Against
| -------


-----------------------
Carlos Santander Bernal

Apr 21 2004

"Kris" <someidiot earthlink.dot.dot.dot.net> writes:

"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message
news:c66s9i$2hv9$3 digitaldaemon.com...
 I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the


 know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler


 because of it.

 I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
 D.newbies and D.bugs groups.

 Votes?


| For
| -------

Matthew
J Anderson
J C Calvarese
Unknown
Ant
Stephan Wienczny
C. Sauls
Carlos Santander
Kris

| Against
| -------

Apr 21 2004

Juan C <Juan_member pathlink.com> writes:

 Votes?


| For
| -------

Matthew
J Anderson
J C Calvarese
Unknown
Ant
Stephan Wienczny
C. Sauls
Carlos Santander
Kris

| Against
| -------


cause _me_ more work so _you_ don't have to? How wude! (picture Jarjar)

Besides, things will be misposted, or double-posted; so you'll have to read both
as well and it'll take longer.

Best solution is for a moderator to direct the messages to the appropriate list
(ugh).

Apr 21 2004

"Scott Egan" <scotte tpg.com.aux> writes:

"Kris" <someidiot earthlink.dot.dot.dot.net> wrote in message
news:c673fo$2u1p$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 "Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message
 news:c66s9i$2hv9$3 digitaldaemon.com...
 I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the


 know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler


 because of it.

 I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should




 D.newbies and D.bugs groups.

 Votes?


 | For
 | -------

 Matthew
 J Anderson
 J C Calvarese
 Unknown
 Ant
 Stephan Wienczny
 C. Sauls
 Carlos Santander
 Kris


 | Against
 | -------


   Need to at least split library & lang and then maybe bugs, hopes ;)  &
questions
d                    <- general
d.lang
d.lang.bugs
d.lang.wishes
d.lib
d.lib.phobos
d.lib.phobos.bugs
etc (room for growth, after all one day this will be bigger than MS)

Apr 22 2004

Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:

Scott Egan wrote:

<snip>
 d                    <- general
 d.lang
 d.lang.bugs


For bugs in the language spec (i.e. Walter wrote what he didn't mean)?

 d.lang.wishes
 d.lib
 d.lib.phobos
 d.lib.phobos.bugs
 etc (room for growth, after all one day this will be bigger than MS)


I'd at least add:

d.dmd
d.dmd.bugs

Or maybe

d.compiler.dmd
d.compiler.dmd.bugs

if we're going to provide a place to discuss other compilers that may 
come into being, comparisions between compilers, and implementation 
theory...

Stewart.

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Apr 22 2004

lacs <lacs qwerty.ca> writes:

A lots of classification could be interesting.

d.newbies
d.advanced
d.compilerBugs
d.appBugs
d.inTheNews
d.features

and maybe some hot specific topics like

d.generic
d.gc
d.interoperability
d.linux
d.windows
d.optimization
d.library

Apr 21 2004

J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:

lacs wrote:

 A lots of classification could be interesting.

 d.newbies
 d.advanced
 d.compilerBugs
 d.appBugs
 d.inTheNews
 d.features

 and maybe some hot specific topics like

 d.generic
 d.gc
 d.interoperability
 d.linux
 d.windows
 d.optimization
 d.library



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Apr 21 2004

"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> writes:

I think it needs to be as few as possible, but we *really* need to clear bug
reports, newbie questions and library issues out of the main group.

How about

d - language stuff (already exists)
d.gnu - gnu (already exists)
d.intro - newbies
d.bugs - bugs
d.phobos - library issues

Walter, do you have an opinion on this? (please)

"J Anderson" <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> wrote in message
news:c677cg$1q1$2 digitaldaemon.com...
 lacs wrote:

 A lots of classification could be interesting.

 d.newbies
 d.advanced
 d.compilerBugs
 d.appBugs
 d.inTheNews
 d.features

 and maybe some hot specific topics like

 d.generic
 d.gc
 d.interoperability
 d.linux
 d.windows
 d.optimization
 d.library



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Apr 21 2004

"Unknown W. Brackets" <unknown at.simplemachines.dot.org> writes:

Matthew wrote:

 I think it needs to be as few as possible, but we *really* need to clear bug
 reports, newbie questions and library issues out of the main group.
 
 How about
 
 d - language stuff (already exists)
 d.gnu - gnu (already exists)
 d.intro - newbies
 d.bugs - bugs
 d.phobos - library issues


Personally - I like phobos, but I still think "intro" is too newbie-ish. 
  Even if it's for newbies, they won't use it.  Please see the 
discussion in "What Groups?" under this same thread.

But ultimately, I agree it would be best to hear Walter's opinions on 
this should he have a chance or the time to give them.

-[Unknown]

Apr 21 2004

Derek Parnell <derek psych.ward> writes:

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:36:17 +1000, Matthew wrote:

 I think it needs to be as few as possible, but we *really* need to clear bug
 reports, newbie questions and library issues out of the main group.


Generally I agree, but what about 'oldbie' questions? ;-)
 
 How about
 
 d - language stuff (already exists)
 d.gnu - gnu (already exists)
 d.intro - newbies


I still prefer d.help as its purpose is to discuss things that people
(newbies, oldbies, whatever...) want help about.

 d.bugs - bugs


Its purpose would be to submit bug reports and discuss potential
fixes/workarounds.

-- 
Derek
22/Apr/04 11:47:25 AM

Apr 21 2004

"Phill" <phill pacific.net.au> writes:

"Matthew" <matthew.hat stlsoft.dot.org> wrote in message
news:c66s9i$2hv9$3 digitaldaemon.com...
 I think this is going to have to be done, as I'm drowning under the


 know Walter's having trouble keeping me supplied with hourly compiler


 because of it.

 I don't know what I would suggest, but I think at the least we should have
 D.newbies and D.bugs groups.

 Votes?

 For
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that everyone will post their bugs to D.bugs,
and not everywhere?
Maybe it would be just harder to find them, when
not everyone would be aware of the D.bugs
group?
Phill.

 Matthew

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Apr 22 2004

J Anderson <REMOVEanderson badmama.com.au> writes:

Minor issue
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned is that we 
eventually plan to move D to usenet .  I guess this group would be the 
usenet group.  If we split the group up, there is confusion (at least on 
my part) of where to send the messages. 

Parhaps this group should be kept and the other suggested groups be 
added.  When we move to usenet this group could be closed down, if it is 
possible to upload all the archives.  Or at least promote the use of the 
usenet group.  I wouldn't want the D community to split up.

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Apr 22 2004

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