• Mark Evans (5/5) Mar 22 2003 http://www2.parc.com/csl/groups/sda/
• Mark Evans (11/11) Mar 22 2003 More to the point,
• Bill Cox (19/30) Mar 23 2003 Well... these tools are interesting, but DataDraw serves my needs in
• Jeroen van Bemmel (2/2) Mar 24 2003 ...and they have publications on a framework called 'D' dating back to

Mark Evans <Mark_member pathlink.com> writes:

http://www2.parc.com/csl/groups/sda/

"Our goal is simple and long-standing: to make it possible to cleanly capture
complex design structures in software implementations....

"The thread that has been common to our projects is ... that the normal rules of
modularity do not suffice for describing quality software."

Mark Evans <Mark_member pathlink.com> writes:

More to the point,

http://www.cs.ubc.ca/labs/spl/projects/aspectc.html

"AspectC is a simple aspect-oriented extension to C, intended to support
operating systems and embedded systems programming."

Bill Cox should be playing with something like ANGIE or GSLGen, his troubles are
probably better served by such tools.
http://www.delta-software-technology.com/neu/pages/pageseng/common/prod_frmset_nge.htm
http://www.imatix.com/html/gslgen/

Although the aspect folks do make interesting remarks on their Explicit
Programming page,

http://www.cs.ubc.ca/labs/spl/projects/explicit.html

Bill Cox <bill viasic.com> writes:

Mark Evans wrote:
 More to the point,
 
 http://www.cs.ubc.ca/labs/spl/projects/aspectc.html
 
 "AspectC is a simple aspect-oriented extension to C, intended to support
 operating systems and embedded systems programming."
 
 Bill Cox should be playing with something like ANGIE or GSLGen, his troubles
are
 probably better served by such tools.
 http://www.delta-software-technology.com/neu/pages/pageseng/common/prod_frmset_nge.htm
 http://www.imatix.com/html/gslgen/

Well... these tools are interesting, but DataDraw serves my needs in 
this area better.  Aspect programming, while interesting, is also not 
what I've been looking for.

I've come to the following conclusion:  no language, is going to include 
all extensions I need.  D is the closest thing out there from a 
traditional compiler point of view.

XL, on the other hand, let's me add the features I need.  While I'm not 
excited about the XL implementation, or the way they've based it on ML, 
the basic idea of an eXtendable Language is right on.

What I would like is an extendable C.  In this language, C++ could be a 
library (or at least something close to C++).  Or, you could pick and 
choose your features: GC, dynamic class extensions, templates, framework 
inheritance, and on and on...

If someone were to write it, I'd call it Z, since it would encompass 
virtually the entire space of C derived languages that can be written 
well as translators into C. (Z is taken, but not by a general purpose 
computer language).

Bill

"Jeroen van Bemmel" <anonymous somewhere.com> writes:

...and they have publications on a framework called 'D' dating back to
1997...